Denon DN-X800 & DN-2600F problems

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Hey hey hey - I have an almost brand new Denon DN-X800 mixer & DN-2600F dual CD deck - they are in a nice flight case and have only been gigged once, i.e. they have had very little use.

I have two serious problems and one that may or may not be a hardware problem:

1 - The DN-X800 - when the system is idle (on but with no music) I have twice noticed a cyclic low frequency thumping sound - the first time it happened was when i was playing out and the party was over - the music was off but the PA was still on - i thought it was maybe a littlle oscillation somewhere else in the chain - then it happened again at home this weekend - it turns out that it has something to do with the cue circuit, in fact, turning one of the cue channels on or off produced an audible pop on the main out - this is VERY BAD. obviously there is either a poorly designed gain stage (slightly unstable) in the mixer somewhere and/or some coupling problems (a bit of noise getting on the
signal path) - i am not sure what to do yet as the problem is not consistent but is 100% coming from the
mixer.

2 - The DN-2600F - the left cue button and the left
hot start button are a little flakey - the definitely require
more of a press than the rest of the buttons. this
is a brand new unit so this is kind of frustrating.

3 - i have a few CDs that take a while to return to the
cue point, that is if i have already loaded a cue point
and the CD is in play or standby, and i hit cue there is
a several second delay before the cue button lights
up (normally it is instant) - i am not sure if this is a
problem with those CDs or the player yet though.

finally - i really like the 2600F (although 2 hot startes are not
enough, when will the 9000 be in stores?!?) but the
memo load takes an ETERNITY!!! i mix a lot of cuts
and breaks in and out really fast, and this really slows
things down. nothing i can do to change that though
i suppose...

engineroom
 
there are a lot of posts in regards to the denon 2600F, you should do some searches on it. i learned quite a bit about my 2600 by reading on this forum. there is a guy named "DENON" that adds a lot of info about this gear.
 
If you think Silvio add a lot then you should search and read Paulie UK's posts about the 2600...
He's out for some time now, maybe a little busy with the new DN9000 I think :D:D:D We might hear from him soon, hopefully.


:cheers:
 
ok my DN-X800 is definitely screwed, had the same noise problem again tonight - pressing any of the cue buttons, the mic on/off buttons and a few of the other buttons produced loud pops (into the yellow LEDs of the VU meter) - pressing the main or mic loop engage buttons (with nothing plugged into the loop) produces a loud rhythmic thumping in sync with the flashing LEDs on those buttons, so there is definitely some noise from the switching circuitry on the audio section.

time to dig up the warranty info and get this thing fixed... sigh...

the sad thing is i really want to like this mixer, but i don't know if i can trust it again, i might have to bite the bullet and go with a Rane MM-8z or MP-24z... sigh.

engineroom is sad
 
that's wierd....a technician would probably know exactly what to look for in that situation, at least it isn't a wierd intermittent problem that only happens when there are 500 people in front of the mixer...haha.

good luck
 
engineroom said:
ok my DN-X800 is definitely screwed, had the same noise problem again tonight - pressing any of the cue buttons, the mic on/off buttons and a few of the other buttons produced loud pops (into the yellow LEDs of the VU meter) - pressing the main or mic loop engage buttons (with nothing plugged into the loop) produces a loud rhythmic thumping in sync with the flashing LEDs on those buttons, so there is definitely some noise from the switching circuitry on the audio section.

time to dig up the warranty info and get this thing fixed... sigh...

the sad thing is i really want to like this mixer, but i don't know if i can trust it again, i might have to bite the bullet and go with a Rane MM-8z or MP-24z... sigh.

engineroom is sad
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Well, maybe it's a problem with your unit or something, IMHO it's not a design fault - but then it could be. This sort of thing has been a constant latelly since most manufacturers seem to be rushing their new releases without proper testing to get a headstart over the competitors.

IMHO this is due to the modern market and strategy methods, like no one can afford to take the time to test and put out something and run the risk to be overlaped by the neighbour... we pay the price of testing, getting new or fixed stuff everytime something goes wrong...:rolleyes:
 
... and we a re to blame for this too, since the manufacturers only respond to consumers' and this overevaluation of all things gimmick is what brings planned obsolence as marketing strategy. Or something...:p

Whatever, :dj:
 
Alex TC said:


IMHO this is due to the modern market and strategy methods, like no one can afford to take the time to test and put out something and run the risk to be overlaped by the neighbour... we pay the price of testing, getting new or fixed stuff everytime something goes wrong...:rolleyes:
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very good point.

why can't there be one mixer that we all use like the technics turntable...it would make life so easy. you know..it's like, if you need decks, you get 1200's...if you need a mixer, you get ________ (fill in blank with xone) :)
 
:D Yeah...

In fact, some mixers are like Techs IMHO. Like the Ranes, XOnes, Rolands and Pioneers, and some Vestaxes are like tanks 'cos I've never seen one fail (not in the middle of a set). There's an unwriten law that says the more features a mixer has, the more it has to break. Like those new cars where everything is electronic, and if a lamp burns the whole car stops dead ! :p That's what makes me afraid of digital mixers like the almighty X9, there's nowhere to run if it comes down...

This ain't likely to happen to analog stuff (and that's where Techs' rep comes from - time is the longrun jury and judge), but with digital equipment you never know what's around the corner. That's digital media Achiles Tendon. Analog is like steel: it bends and back 1000 times, then it crackles then it breaks. Digital is like aluminum: it only bends once and when you know it's broken already.
 
That's digital media Achiles Tendon. Analog is like steel: it bends and back 1000 times, then it crackles then it breaks. Digital is like aluminum: it only bends once and when you know it's broken already.
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this is SO true. The mastering engineer that i'm interning under (who is a complete genious) gave me a very interesting lecture on how far you can bend analog before it says "no more!" in regards to level. (i was learning about "level" and how digital "level" and analog "level" are so very different and how you relate to each in mastering/recording...extremely interesting)

you can slam an analog cassette and it will not make the sound that digital makes when you go overboard...hence, screwing that one performance that was just KILLER that you recorded on a DAT machine and the level was just a TAD too high.
 
Hey guys

Point 3.

I too have a handful of CDs that take a while to return to the cue point.

I am personally pretty convinced it is consistent with bad CDs, but I've been too lazy of late to replace them, it's only a few.

Yeah hot start load can seem to take infuriatingly long, at least once it is loaded in (all in all around 15 secs), you know it is exactly how you want it to be.
I think this will be much faster on the D 9000

Oh yeah re: the slow reload problem, if you have one spare, then hit hot start instead of play as you cue it up. That way you can always start it instantly with the hot start.

I have known buttons to wear over time, but never personally have problems with bad buttons on a new unit. I would push your retailer to give you a brand new one, if not get it repaired, it's not a major problem,and I haven't had any problems, so it hopefully won't come up again.
 
well the mixer went off today to be serviced, i am a little worried as it is an intermittent problem (although it DEFINITELY happens, it did again last night) - we'll see what happens, if not it is back to Rane.

I am going to do a few experiments to see if it is the
CDs or the deck or what re. the slow cue return.

re. memo loading, i usually have the cue and hs 1 & 2 all at different points (maximise the resources!) - i think i am going to re-edit some of the CDs with my most commonly played songs though so that the they are split into several tracks, with each one starting at the various cue/hs points - with the CD player set on continous mode this will let the song play through, but also give me a quick way to switch between cue points.

engineroom
 
Drop the needle!

There's one way to do away with all this: play vinyl! :dj:

:D:D:D:D

Hey, I'm JUST KIDDING for Chist'sake, don't get mad with me please it's just a joke! :p

(Oh, toughts of bringing up this debate again... maybe I should have refraing from even mention this subject, hehehe....:p)
 
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yeah man, engineroom must not be a real dj or something, i wasn't gonna say it.... ;) :D



disclaimer: THE ABOVE TEXT IS A JOKE!!!


actually, when i go back to my hometown and if i get a gig in the club that i really would love to spin at, i'm thinking about tranferring a lot of my vinyl to CDR's so i don't have to take big record bags.....the dj booth in the club is up in the rafters and clubbers can't really see the dj very well (not my favorite club setup, but it still rawks)
 
heh heh - i swore for years i would never switch (i currently have about 20,000+ pieces of vinyl) but once i started using the Denon deck, I was really in love with CDJing - granted I miss being able to scratch in a song or cue things really quickly, but I am working around these limitations and I think they are compensated for by the amount of cool stuff that you CAN do on CDs, e.g. looping, hot starts, etc...

Plus my back is much happier :-)

engineroom
 
CD djing is great, I have absolutelly no problem playing CDs in my set. I'm a vinyl junkie but above that, I'm a MUSIC junkie so a good tune is a good tune, either in vinyl or plastic. For trully beliving that is the reason I can make fun of this whole thing... :p
 
I couldn't work without Hot Starts now, that's why I can't wait to get the 9000 - cos u get more:)

That's what puts me off vinyl now - too much hassle.
You have to manually re-cue it lol. I mean what the hell's that about?? And I would hardly class manual cueing as a skill, just a waste of time!
 
PaulieUK said:
I couldn't work without Hot Starts now, that's why I can't wait to get the 9000 - cos u get more:)

That's what puts me off vinyl now - too much hassle.
You have to manually re-cue it lol. I mean what the hell's that about?? And I would hardly class manual cueing as a skill, just a waste of time!
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laugh out loud


that's awesome....i tend to agree with you. as cool as you may look spinning vinyl....in some ways, who cares. now with my editor, i can make mixes and edits of songs that i could have never done with vinyl.

i still haven't figured out how to use the hot starts and all that jazz on my 2600F yet....sigh..:rolleyes:
 
i still haven't figured out how to use the hot starts and all that jazz on my 2600F yet....sigh..:rolleyes: [/B]
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You should try spending some time at home just with the 2600 and the manual, to work out how it works and the limitations, then develop the features into something you can use - maybe store a few useful hot starts, then try them out on the road. You'll be hooked.
 
I'm almost tempted to sell off one of my Techs and get a twin-CD deck instead, it sure seems a darn lot easier.
 
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