Cartridges???

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Im looking for new cartridges for my pdx 2000's...

I have narrowed it down to the following 2:
-Shure whitelabel
or
-Ortofon Concorde Nightclub

Which one wil work better on my pdx's and why???
I mainly mix techno (so i want a hard and punchy bass) with a little bit of scratching...
I like the look of the ortofons better but i heard concords arent so good on straight tone arms... Why is this?

Tnx in advance.....

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neither one of these is very good for your pdx

the PDX has an underhang straight tonearm, so you should use headshell cartridges

the concordes are too long, so the short tonearm of the pdx gets too long which means that there is a overhang. This needs to be corrected, but there is no way to do that with an ortofon concorde

in fact: with the sure whitelabels you could correct it, but I wouldn´t recommend this - I don´t know if there are any experiences of using a whitelabel on a pdx

use sure M44/7 od M44g: no overhang, no angel: this is the way the tonearm of the pdx is supposed to work and that´s the way you should do it
 
sorry 4 my english: it´s hard for me to explain that to you;

basically: overhang isn´t bad at all; but: overhang needs to be corrected by an angeled cartridge; overhang and angel have the purpose that the needle stays in a tangential position in relation to the grooves from the beginning to the end of the record

but if you have overhang, you need that angel - and that´s what you cannot do with a ortofon concorde

(crazy enought - the new shure whitelabels allow you to do that, so: whitelabels are a possible option, but this will defeat the purpose of your asts-tonearm)

the vestax pdx has an underhang-straight-short-tonearm: no overhang, no angel, no concordes

(try the search function of this forum, maybe it gets clearer that way)
 
just go for headshell mounted ortofons instead of the concordes, i like them better anyways, and they're a little bit cheaper too (i think).
i had a straight tonearm table and the cartridge that came with it was offset on the headshell.
i used a concorde type on it a couple times but it did not work well, didnt track right at all.
ortofons arent out of the question, you just gotta go for the headshell (om) mount.
they're the same needle, just different mounting style.
hope that helps ya some,
Josh
 
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Well, as far as i know - the concordes or whitelabel will have been designed to be the 'correct' length for the tonearm (that is - to give the lowest tracking error angle).
True, you lose the ability to angle them yourself like you could with a headshell mount cart - but why you would ever want to angle your carts on an underhung straight arm is beyond me.
As far as sound goes - the whitelabels have a very nice rounded sweet sound to them, kind of like a typical top and bottom boost to smooth things out.
Worth remembering that the Whitelabel is just a nicer looking Shure m35x - so if you want to save some money get those instead.
 
@Deft:
if you add the length of the concordes to the str8 underhang arm of the pdx, it´s no longer underhang: that´s the problem - basically you are right: no angeling on an underhang arm

and: yes, you are right, the concordes have the correct length - for the technics S-type arm, not for short straight arms
 
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ok so mug here was sold concordes for his pdx's (i blame the store assistant entirely) sooo... i gather from this post that they are too long, what does this mean in terms of the effects this has? they perform better than my old carts (the standard vestax ones) in every way, so can someone explain in fairly simple terms why i shouldn't have them on my decks?? before i go spank another 100 quid on new carts!! :rolleyes:
 
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So you are saying the Vestax PDX headshells (that have been used for their S-arms also) are a different length?
My friend has Concordes on his deck and they definitely underhang. Otherwise there would be a whole market for different length headshells etc.
The straight arm is designed to be a certain length when used with the universal style headshell.

So if they are not the correct length - how exactly do you mount your OM carts in a standard headshell.
I find this all very hard to believe, you can do the maths and work out exactly what length it is for optimal tracking. For Vestax and all the other manufacturers to get this length wrong with virtually all the available cartridges/headshells seems unlikely.
 
no I don´t say that the Vestax and a Technics have a different length;
I say that the overall length using the pdx with a headshell is shorter than the overall length using a pdx with a concorde;
is that right? (I have technics - so I don´t know for sure)

and the length: pdx-arm + concorde = too long for underhang arm


trust me: my english is bad, but the profs on this board will second what I´m trying to say: the concorde typs should´t be used on short str8 arms, they are for technics, which have S-type arms (and are angeled)
 
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But my point is - concordes are exactly the same length as a correctly mounted OM cart in a standard headshell. I'm assuming a Technics headshell is the same length as a Vestax one. Therefore 99% of people are using headshell mount carts which are set at the same length as concordes/whitelabels/trackmasters.

Also from just looking at a PDX with a concorde on - it definitely doesn't overhang.
 
so if this is the case, you are right;
I use headshell carts on a tech and I allways had the impression the concordes added some lenght, but if not; yes it should be the same as a headshell cart;
but then I wonder: why do they allways say, no concordes on PDX, I heard a lot people say this and I thought it was a length problem
 
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Yeah not sure why people would say not to use them.
Anyway it's got me intrigued now - i will take a look at my friend's PDX's and check all the lengths/angles etc.
But a quick comparison between my m44g's fitted to my Technics headshells and my flatmate's whitelabels and they look the same length.
I'm assuming this is the same for Concordes.
I know an Ortofon rep has posted on this board - maybe he can confirm?
I'll try and dig up the specs.....
Peace
 
Ok. in summary......

A Vestax PDX-2000 fitted with an Ortofon Concorde DJ does indeed underhang - as it should.
In conclusion - all in one carts are FINE to use with straight arm turntables.
Again - do NOT angle headshell mounted carts on a straight arm - as you just skew the tracking error angle even more at an extreme.
Peace
 
Re: Ok. in summary......

Deft said:
A Vestax PDX-2000 fitted with an Ortofon Concorde DJ does indeed underhang - as it should.
Click to expand...

phew! am glad i didn't waste my 120 quid on them then :) plus, they look the bollox :D
 
After reading all this im stil a bit confused...
Is there anyone out there using PDX's with the whitelabels???
I really wanna know in which settings i have to put them... Do I have to make em longer or shorter or do I have to angle them or what???
Tnx to all...especially the one who's gonna help me with my problem...

Greeets.......
 
There will probably be an 'optimum' length to set the whitelabel overhang at (though this will *probably* be the default length they came set at). Try your Vestax manual - it might give you a total heashell length to check against.
Finally, NEVER angle any cartridge on a dj style underhung straight arm.
Peace
 
Um... to answer your question *cough* don't get the Shure Whitelabels. I bought them and did a side-by-side comparison with the Ortofon OM DJs, and the Ortofons definitely sounded better. The Whitelabels were too warm and bloated for my tastes. I think people told you not to get the Concords for the PDX because they probably aren't good for scratching.
 
there are pretty different opinions about the sound quality of the whitelabels around; just curious

some like them very much, some don´t like them at all

Fuzzy, what do you spin? house or trance - I have the feeling that the trancers don´t like the whitelabels too much

back to topic: if you have a pdx, I would eitherway vote for headshell carts, shure m44/7; and if you like ortofon there is a new headshell ortofon GT, which is similar to the m44/7
 
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I spin house. And of course, it is all about a person's tastes.
 
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