Brother Ali Conflict

[TheRiddler]

Dude it has nothing to do with your skin. You think your probably putting people on all of this knowledge like its supposed to transcend what people know in their hearts. You don't see yourself as equal and it's coming off in your posts. Denial can't be fun. Go preach to a group of elementary kids if that would make you feel better.

 

[theillestone]

I've been given the runaround by more jobs than i can count bc of my age and appearance or bc I had no real experience. Big suprise there huh? Let's face it, teenagers and young people don't get respect in this society in alot of ways. It is probably easier to get a scholarship in this country if you are a minority. I know there are probably ten articles on wikipedia that prove me wrong, but things aren't as absolute as the illestone wants to make them. I've worked with people that can't speak english and had a boss who's first language was spanish. At the end of the day I'm responsible for myself and even if I did have a disadvantage that's part of my own struggle. I think you are undervaluing people when you make such generalizing statements, but that's just me. Excuses are weak, end of story.

"We are not in a position in which we have nothing to work with. We already have capacities, talents, direction, missions, and callings." - Abraham H. Maslow

And for the record I'm Indian so I appreciate Illestone speaking for all brown skin people.

1. I never posted an article from wikipedia about racism. What the f*uk are you talking about???

2. I never said I spoke for all brown people. What the f*uk are you talking about???

3. I never made "excuses" about anything. What the f*uk are you talking about???


It seems that the riddler cannot keep up with the conversation or cannot read, or only comprehends what he wants to.

Dude it has nothing to do with your skin. You think your probably putting people on all of this knowledge like its supposed to transcend what people know in their hearts. You don't see yourself as equal and it's coming off in your posts. Denial can't be fun. Go preach to a group of elementary kids if that would make you feel better.

What the hell are you talking about??? LOL

 

[clarhck5]

america is the land of opportunity. there is no excuse anymore you cant blame the "white man" anymore people. anyone that actually believes the white man is holding them down or trying too kill our people is silly and also a coward for not trying too do anything about it. if i believed its no way i would be somewhere chilling just talking about it. knowledge replaces ignorance people.

 

[TheRiddler]

I'm confused. Is this not the Martha Steward forum?

 

[theillestone]

Lol, lemme tell you all about the good negro in question, mind you all I can post on a website is documented events, no under the radar sh*t that still wakes me up at 3am worrying if the cops will ever find out what I did.

I was born in Raleigh, NC. In a hood where niggas was so poor that they thought I was rich because my family had a car. Sold drugs since age 12 and out of my group of friends i was one of the latest ones to get into it. Had someone who was supposed to be my best friend try to kill me over a $1,300 chain that I "came across", and as a result a war started inside my hood between myself and dude along with 8 of our other childhood friends/now enemies that left 2 shot and 1 dead by age 16. Also got us all kicked out of High School beginning of 10th grade because of a non-related fight that my principal thought we were connected to. That's myself and 2 other guys I knew since we were babies going at 5 other guys I knew since we were babies until blood spilled. In this "war" I was also pistol whipped by a close friend and still can't see correctly out of my left eye because of it. I'm reminded everytime I look at anything how good "mayonaise" tastes.

I did so much crime in NC, the police bullied me. Would stop me and just take my money. I once punched a detective in the face because earlier that week while I was in cuffs he let a dog loose to attack me while I was handcuffed faced down on the ground. His partner knew if they arrested me for punching dude alot of other sh*t they did to me and my friends would come up, so instead 2 mid 20s to 30 officers beat the crap out of my then 16 year old azz for about 30 mins. I had 14 arrests on my record(no felonies, guess I was lucky)when I left NC to get a new life in VA.

F**k racial profiling, while living in Newport News, VA I was arrested for an armed robbery and faced 10 years in prison for the one time in my life when I did absolutely nothing. I sat in a restaraunt, ate a burger, walked out and was greeted by SWAT. The owner of the restaraunt had survelance of me eating at the time the incident occured, the victim didn't point me out as the guy, I still sat in jail a month and a half before being given bail. I was stopped by the cops everytime I drove up Jefferson Ave. because "I fit the description" of someone doing a crime. Everytime I was stopped they threw my sh*t around, went thru my trunk, ripped off door panels, and found something to arrest me for. My license was suspended 3 times in a 2 year period, hasn't been suspended once in Cali. Not even a speeding ticket on my record since being here.

All that, and I still believe you make your own path in life. What's your "good Negro" story?

I never stated that I DONT believe that you dont make your own path in life. When did I ever say that? Go look through the tread, anyone, just go look? Ya'll ain't got **** to say so your making up **** now.

Let me expalin something. The "good negro" refers to a certain mentality.

When Malcolm refered to field negros and house negros it wasn't about their position in the slavearcy. The distinction between where their position (the field and the house) was made so that people could easily grasp the concept. The concept is about people who think and act like house negroes and those who think and act like field negroes. You my friend who thinks that what Malcolm said was bull**** are a good negro or house negro.

Simple enough for you....

america is the land of opportunity. there is no excuse anymore you cant blame the "white man" anymore people. anyone that actually believes the white man is holding them down or trying too kill our people is silly and also a coward for not trying too do anything about it. if i believed its no way i would be somewhere chilling just talking about it. knowledge replaces ignorance people.

There is no white man, there is small group of white males that control over 90% of the resources of the world. They constructed and perpetuate this crooked system for their own personal benifit. Talking about race on a message board hardly classifies me as a coward. That is a very bold and wack statement.

"knowledge replaces ignorance" that was deep LOL

 

[deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup]

Nomatter what race you are, it's a failures mentality to try to blame your shortcomings on someone else. I know Jews in L.A. who still blame the holocaust for why they're living with their mom in 2007. I've got Japanese people in my family who say the Chinese hold them down. They live in NC and Detroit...Sanjaya thinks he was eliminated from American Idol because he's Arab. Illestone thinks whites are holding us down, although a white man hooked me up with a job bouncing around professional studios that pays me more than I ever made working with all these major black owned labels I do business with.

Everybody has their own path in life, from my experience, white dudes are okay with me. Maybe because I try to befriend them instead of telling them what they've done to hurt me, they become my friends. But if you wanna keep reminding muthaf*ckas of things that happened even 40 years ago your not moving forward.

Putting this sh*t in your kids ear is gonna make him walk out on that playground thinking he's not as good as Becky and Sebastian. Thinking he gotta watch his back. The cycle will go on until someon breaks it. Apparently it won't be you. My sons outside in the burbs playing being a kid as we speak. Not a black kid outta place watching his back.

I understand you want to be aware things can fall on you because of your race, but there's a difference between being causious and attacking out of fear. This "get them before they get you" mentality makes you and anyone else who follows it no better than Nazi's, KKK, ect. How does that make us as humans go forward?

It comes a time when getting on ya dean involves you realizing Malcolm was one man with one effective way of doing things. You can live your whole life in a path he followed in the 60s or you can wake up. Illestone, you're the house nigga if ever there was such a thing. Cause slavery's been over for the longest. We're outside celebrating and the news hasn't got to your porch monkey azz yet.

Rather than refuting let that sink in your brain. I'm unsubscribing from this negative dribble anyways. So I will never read you response. I can't learn nothing from ignorance. That's why I haven't been able to read more than 6 posts out of this whole thread.

 

[clarhck5]

I never stated that I DONT believe that you dont make your own path in life. When did I ever say that? Go look through the tread, anyone, just go look? Ya'll ain't got **** to say so your making up **** now.

Let me expalin something. The "good negro" refers to a certain mentality.

When Malcolm refered to field negros and house negros it wasn't about their position in the slavearcy. The distinction between where their position (the field and the house) was made so that people could easily grasp the concept. The concept is about people who think and act like house negroes and those who think and act like field negroes. You my friend who thinks that what Malcolm said was bull**** are a good negro or house negro.

Simple enough for you....



There is no white man, there is small group of white males that control over 90% of the resources of the world. They constructed and perpetuate this crooked system for their own personal benifit. Talking about race on a message board hardly classifies me as a coward. That is a very bold and wack statement.

"knowledge replaces ignorance" that was deep LOL

your lost

 

[Staggerlee]

Why ya all feeding the troll?

 

[theillestone]

Nomatter what race you are, it's a failures mentality to try to blame your shortcomings on someone else. I know Jews in L.A. who still blame the holocaust for why they're living with their mom in 2007. I've got Japanese people in my family who say the Chinese hold them down. They live in NC and Detroit...Sanjaya thinks he was eliminated from American Idol because he's Arab. Illestone thinks whites are holding us down, although a white man hooked me up with a job bouncing around professional studios that pays me more than I ever made working with all these major black owned labels I do business with.

Everybody has their own path in life, from my experience, white dudes are okay with me. Maybe because I try to befriend them instead of telling them what they've done to hurt me, they become my friends. But if you wanna keep reminding muthaf*ckas of things that happened even 40 years ago your not moving forward.

Putting this sh*t in your kids ear is gonna make him walk out on that playground thinking he's not as good as Becky and Sebastian. Thinking he gotta watch his back. The cycle will go on until someon breaks it. Apparently it won't be you. My sons outside in the burbs playing being a kid as we speak. Not a black kid outta place watching his back.

I understand you want to be aware things can fall on you because of your race, but there's a difference between being causious and attacking out of fear. This "get them before they get you" mentality makes you and anyone else who follows it no better than Nazi's, KKK, ect. How does that make us as humans go forward?

It comes a time when getting on ya dean involves you realizing Malcolm was one man with one effective way of doing things. You can live your whole life in a path he followed in the 60s or you can wake up. Illestone, you're the house nigga if ever there was such a thing. Cause slavery's been over for the longest. We're outside celebrating and the news hasn't got to your porch monkey azz yet.

I think I understand where you are coming from in your paragraphs. Nowhere in my statements, or posts, did I allude to any type of individual making excuses for their shortcommings, not once. I am talking about systematic and institutionalized barriers that people live out their lives.

Life is what you make it, but it is also what the game gives. People live out their lives in structures and situations that form their perception and opportunity structure. That is real, nothing imagined about it.

In paragraph 3 you mention something about "attacking." What do you mean by that? I am not following Malcolm's path necessarily I just mentioned him cause somethings he said are relevant today (as most of history relates to the present). Don't try and define because I used a quote from Malcolm or two. That's very narrow. It's cool that you got white friends. I got white friends too. That **** don't matter LOL I got friends that are Japanese, Nigerian, Indian. I got friends that are from other countries and friends that live in outher countires. I got a step dad from eastern europe, I've been to England, France, Africa, all over. All these lil boxes and assumstions yor making really dont apply to me.

your lost

and you are "found" I suppose...

 

[imjondoe15]

I never stated that I DONT believe that you dont make your own path in life. When did I ever say that? Go look through the tread, anyone, just go look? Ya'll ain't got **** to say so your making up **** now.

Let me expalin something. The "good negro" refers to a certain mentality.

When Malcolm refered to field negros and house negros it wasn't about their position in the slavearcy. The distinction between where their position (the field and the house) was made so that people could easily grasp the concept. The concept is about people who think and act like house negroes and those who think and act like field negroes. You my friend who thinks that what Malcolm said was bull**** are a good negro or house negro.

Simple enough for you....



There is no white man, there is small group of white males that control over 90% of the resources of the world. They constructed and perpetuate this crooked system for their own personal benifit. Talking about race on a message board hardly classifies me as a coward. That is a very bold and wack statement.

"knowledge replaces ignorance" that was deep LOL

malcom x was a racist.You are very close-minded.

 

[theillestone]

malcom x was a racist.You are very close-minded.

"Malcom X was a racist...," and I'm closed minded LOL

 

[deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup]

malcom x was a racist.You are very close-minded.

Malcolm X was what he had to be in 1960. And was an extraordinary man, but no one should have to be anything close to that in 2007.

Not taking illestone's view in any way, but that was very close-minded. You should read his biography.

 

[imjondoe15]

^I have read his biography(and much more about him),I didnt say he was a horrible man,just a racist.no offense though.

 

[Cameron Thomas]

The Illestone. You can't play the semantics game and expect people to feel what you're saying. What bothers you so much is that I don't speak with facts. I speak through feelings and experiences. This doesn't allow you to pin anything on me and tell me I'm wrong. You begin grasping at straws trying to portray me as a redneck or a racist. If you really knew me you'd understand how funny that is. You also try to twist things into going your way. This topic was about Brother Ali being dishonest. Did it bother me he said white folk shouldn't use the N-word? Nope. Did it bother me the way he spoke down to another dude for expressing his feelings. Yep. Still wasn't what the topic was about. You've been barking up the wrong tree the whole thread. What exactly are you trying to accomplish? From your posts it would seem you are trying to make white folk feel bad for the mistakes made by other white folk. I'm not really sure what that's going to accomplish. Seriously what do you want? Don't avoid the question.

BTW - I wasn't any of the cops who shot Sean Bell. I wasn't part of any conspiracy to steal oil from "Brown Countries" either. I've never hated or discriminated against anyone because of the color of their skin. I was raised better than that. So why try to make me feel guilty for things I had no part of and would never have any part of?

 

[theillestone]

The Illestone. You can't play the semantics game and expect people to feel what you're saying. What bothers you so much is that I don't speak with facts. I speak through feelings and experiences. This doesn't allow you to pin anything on me and tell me I'm wrong. You begin grasping at straws trying to portray me as a redneck or a racist. If you really knew me you'd understand how funny that is. You also try to twist things into going your way. This topic was about Brother Ali being dishonest. Did it bother me he said white folk shouldn't use the N-word? Nope. Did it bother me the way he spoke down to another dude for expressing his feelings. Yep. Still wasn't what the topic was about. You've been barking up the wrong tree the whole thread. What exactly are you trying to accomplish? From your posts it would seem you are trying to make white folk feel bad for the mistakes made by other white folk. I'm not really sure what that's going to accomplish. Seriously what do you want? Don't avoid the question.

BTW - I wasn't any of the cops who shot Sean Bell. I wasn't part of any conspiracy to steal oil from "Brown Countries" either. I've never hated or discriminated against anyone because of the color of their skin. I was raised better than that. So why try to make me feel guilty for things I had no part of and would never have any part of?

LOL, I got lots of friends that are undercover rednecks, it's really no big deal to me. I don't hate you, dislike you or think of you in the same regard as those police officers. IT'S ALL GOOD

I'm not trying to change the subject no more than anyone else in here who has posted. We have all hit on different things at different times, it's just the flow of the coversation.

When I was around 13 or so one of my closest buddies at the time was a white dude. We got into this argument one night (I don't remember how it started), but I remember him saying something to the effect that, "if black people are so upset why don't they just leave then." It was then that I think I first realized that there will always be a divide between myself and most white people, but we still went out and played ball the next day. So again, I don't hate you. I do think its ****ed up that you tried to equate your experiences with the manner in which black people are treated by the law. Your probably as cooool as white boy your gonna find.

DeRanged your cool, I am sorry if I offended you.

Riddler, your wack, and clarhck5 your wack too...

oh let me not forget Stagerlee (wasn't that the bugged rapper), your really wack too,


I gotta run, I've bull****ed with ya'll enough for today.

PEACE

 

[TheRiddler]

Im as wack as crack...moving on...you have to remember that the white people you are talking to on this board aren't in charge of anything. If white people do rule the world it ain't them. Your mad at the people who control everything who happen to be white. Who is your beef exactly with?

 

[Cameron Thomas]

Well if I was a redneck I'd let you know...lol I've never really held back from saying what I feel. If anything I'm honest. I can understand why you might think I'm trying to downplay some of the tradgedies and injustice black folk have had to endure but that wasn't my point. My point was to basically say that not every case is a case of racism or descrimination. Sometimes it may even appear to be that way but sometimes it just really isn't. There's only going to be a divide if you let there be one. My best friend in elementary school was a black dude. Llord. The only differences I ever saw between him and I were that he had darker skin and curly hair. I watch my little boy play with the children in the neighborhood. He's almost 2 and I know at this point he doesn't see any of the children of different races as being any different from himself. He may notice they look different but they all play the same.

 

[deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup]

In the end I hope everyone realizes everything said in threads like this are just opinions. We're all entitled to have them. But not trying to sound like an after school special, as long as we draw lines they'll exsist. There are still color barriers in 2007, but the way we learn and teach can effect whether there's still color barriers in the next 20 years, 100 years, ect. It would be sad if 1,000 years down the line these type discussions still go on. We can avoid that through what we do with our lives and how we raise our children to think.

On a sidenote, why everytime I try to unsubscribe to a thread I still get emails? If I was white I'd be unsubscribed! lol. couldn't resist.

 

[Cameron Thomas]

On a sidenote, why everytime I try to unsubscribe to a thread I still get emails? If I was white I'd be unsubscribed! lol. couldn't resist.

lmao. You've always got something crazy to say. I was dying earlier in the thread with that E.T. sh*t.

 

[ALIASTrP]

wat does this have to do with future producing