Brother Ali Conflict

[Cameron Thomas]

the police in my state florida are targeting blacks and hispanics my uncle was a police officer and he told me himself that the police are targeting that culture here i have white freinds and when i go to their neighbor hood
there isn't a cop for miles they to busy beaten some black or Hispanic kid in the hood but thats where I'm at i don't know about your neighbor hood. oh yeah i remember when i was 18 i got arrested when trying to walk to my white friends house the cop charged me with non-violent resistance and trespassing even though my white friend was telling him he know me i never went back there again apparently his neighbor a white lady called the cops cause she thought i was gonna rob my friend like i said first comes color then comes class.

Yeah? I'm assuming your uncle was black? Did they tell him to target blacks and hispanics or was this just an assumption he made? Another question. Was it late when you went to your friends house? Had you been there before? Do the neighbors know who you are? Did you go to the front door? Are you 100% positive you had the police called on you because you were black? Do you think maybe I've had the police called on me for almost the exact same situation? I was nearly arrested sitting outside on my front porch having a cigarette because I looked like someone.

 

[theillestone]

Everyone in the world struggles and goes through their own personal trials and tribulations however, but to deny that certain people and certain groups of people do not suffer more on a continual iand nstitutional basis is just wrong. It provides the basis for a perception of the world that everyone is "equal" and this is simply not the case. By you telling me that you get discriminated against are you trying to conivice me or yourself that everybody is treated as an equal? As long as you continue along those lines of reasoning the more you help continue thoe oppression that people face around the world. Why? Because you do not believe it exists, and if you do not belive it exists you will never say anything or do anything about it. You give people like George Bush (and people like him), the cover necessary to do all kinds of disgusting things in the name of your country, which is supposed to be a Democracy. What a joke...

And most of the people in the world see this. While you are over there trying to convince us that you are just like us, "that we are all in the same boat," but we are the only ones dying, we are the ones who have less.

Oh yea the majority of the people of the world, (those with pigment) think in terms of "we," not "I," that is a western train of thought. You don't even recognize it as such because you don't recognize cultural differences. Your are completly oblivous to your own position in the world so you could never recognize your privilage. Your like Frakenistine's monster just stomping around not knowing any better, no self-awarness.

If we ain't got $hit than I ain't got ****! That's how the indeginous people of the world think. We do not operate under a rational economic business model. We don't reduce ourslevs. For us the "I" is the collective.

 

[Cameron Thomas]

Brother Ali sounds on-point to me.

Cameron, it sound like you take observations of society personally. Can't do that. Thats like trying to mix sociology and phsycology. Won't work too well, just two different perspectives of seeing things.

So he was on point calling himself a righteous black man? Even though he is white? Cause that's what this was about...lol Not whether or not it's ok for white people to use the N-word.

 

[Misery84]

Yeah? I'm assuming your uncle was black? Did they tell him to target blacks and hispanics or was this just an assumption he made? Another question. Was it late when you went to your friends house? Had you been there before? Do the neighbors know who you are? Did you go to the front door? Are you 100% positive you didn't have the police called on you because you were black? Do you think maybe I've had the police called on me for almost the exact same situation? I was nearly arrested sitting outside on my front porch having a cigarette because I looked like someone.

listen i said in my state(Florida),yes my uncles black,and it was after school i was a senior and it was day time. i said first comes color then comes class in your case if you live in a white neighbor hood and you don't look like the other white people the cops gonna think you don't belong their thats how they get trained if you don't look like you belong then they coming to get you thats the way it is.(class)

 

[theillestone]

That is probably why those few rich white men can be so comfortable in doing what they are doing because they are not connected to any community, they dont feel attachment to the world. They are connected only to their material possessions and they foster amongst the people (through wealth and power) a consciousness which reflects theirs.

You think like an oppressor and if you had money and power you would probably do the same thing.

 

[Cameron Thomas]

Everyone in the world struggles and goes through their own personal trials and tribulations however, but to deny that certain people and certain groups of people do not suffer more on a continual iand nstitutional basis is just wrong. It provides the basis for a perception of the world that everyone is "equal" and this is simply not the case. By you telling me that you get discriminated against are you trying to conivice me or yourself that everybody is treated as an equal? As long as you continue along those lines of reasoning the more you help continue thoe oppression that people face around the world. Why? Because you do not believe it exists, and if you do not belive it exists you will never say anything or do anything about it. You give people like George Bush (and people like him), the cover necessary to do all kinds of disgusting things in the name of your country, which is supposed to be a Democracy. What a joke...

And most of the people in the world see this. While you are over there trying to convince us that you are just like us, "that we are all in the same boat," but we are the only ones dying, we are the ones who have less.

Oh yea the majority of the people of the world, those with pigment think in terms of "we," not "I," that is a western train of thought. You don't even recognize it as such because you don't recognize cultural differences.

I'm the problem yet you are complaining about problems you don't have. I completely recognize that racism exists and people are discriminated against but if you aren't being discriminated against don't act like you are. It's good to care and take action against racism and discrimination but do not make it sound like you are suffering from it when you aren't. No not all people of color want to be classified as we. Do you understand how f*cking stupid that is? You don't want to be judged on what another person of your race has done but you want to be able to claim the same injustice even when you don't go through it? You either want to be judged as an individual or you want to be judged as a category. It's obvious you would like to be judged as an underpriveleged person of color but it's obvious you aren't.

 

[theillestone]

Hegemony (pronounced he'gem.ə.ni or hə'dʒɛ.mə.ni) (Greek: ἡγεμονία hēgemonía) is the dominance of one group over other groups, with or without the threat of force, to the extent that, for instance, the dominant party can dictate the terms of trade to its advantage; more broadly, cultural perspectives become skewed to favor the dominant group. The cultural control that hegemony asserts affects commonplace patterns of thought: hegemony controls the way new ideas are rejected or become naturalized in a process that subtly alters notions of common sense in a given society.
Hegemony results in the empowerment of certain cultural beliefs, values, and practices to the submersion and partial exclusion of others. Hegemony influences the perspective of mainstream history, as history is written by the victors for a congruent readership.
As Antonio Gramsci defines it, "The term hegemony describes the process whereby ideas, structures, and actions come to be seen by the majority of people as wholly natural, preordained, and working for their own good, when in fact they are constructed and transmitted by powerful minority interests to protect the status quo that serves those interest...

Theories of hegemony attempt to explain how dominant groups or individuals (known as hegemons) can maintain their power -- the capacity of dominant classes to persuade subordinate ones to accept, adopt and internalize their values and norms. Antonio Gramsci devised one of the best-known accounts of hegemony. His theory defined the State by a mixture of coercion and hegemony, between which he drew distinctions; according to Gramsci, hegemony consists of political power that flows from intellectual and moral leadership, authority or consensus, as distinguished from mere armed force.

 

[KS86]

Where did the oil/race connection come into the picture anyway?

Russia has plenty of it (2nd largest reserves in the world in fact).
Norway and Britain are both extracting it from the North Sea as we speak.

I dont see the connection...

 

[theillestone]

Look he's getting mad now...

So basically your argument is now, because I have intellgence I am not black, or is it because I am intelligent and black that I can't be poor, or better yet, every black person is poor and since I am not poor I am not black.

What does my personal standing in the world have to do with anything? Your are trying to narrowly define racial discrimination so you can place me in a neat box that you have manufactured in your mind.

You have never delt with the intersection of race, class, gender, history, economics, etc.

This is all new to you, take your time, there are many variables to consider...

I dont see the connection...

Take your sunglasses off Kanye.

Apples with apples, oranges with oranges. A black finacial analyst makes ruffly around 70 cents for every $1 that a white finaical analyst makes. If you know anything about economics and finance then you know about intrest. If they were to invest at the same rate, for the same amount of time, in the same 410k plan, the white man would still have more money! This is systematic and cannot be denied. This is the way the world is structred my man. So you can be black with 10 degrees when you go into your trained field you will be compensated less. If you are compensated less, the less you can save. The less you can save, the less you can invest, which means the less you have to pass on.

Which puts your kids at a disadvanted to "Bob's" kids. It's really simple Cameron Thomas.

 

[KS86]

Take your sunglasses off Kanye.

Well, you were rambling on about "white" countries trying to take resources from "black" and "brown" countries, and I just named you three white countries that EXPORT OIL.

It basic economics: not every country is going to have the resources it needs to keep its economy going, so through comparative advantage it trades those things it can produce for those that it cant.

Again, explain to me the race/oil conspiracy.

 

[deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup]

I didn't read this whole thread, wasn't interested, but to adress the 1st post, I beleive brother ali's white, if not white, he's not black. He also rolls with a crew of white dudes. Not sure where his opinions came from, may be his religious background and people he comes in contact with because of it, but at the same time, all this sh*t is lame.

We're a few years to a decade from finding intelligence on other plnets, and we still judge each other by where we're from and what we look like. Does E.T. get a pass to use the word nigga? lol.

At the same time, I don't trip, 40 years ago we didn't even use the same bathrooms, so we're getting better. But I'm tired of all this "if you're white don't do this" crap. I' a black dude, and if white folk started saying "if you black you can't do that" it would be a nationwide problem. Not saying it doesn't happen when we go to get a loan or when profiled by a cop, but if they straight up said "your black, so no loan for you" or "I stopped you because you're black and your ride is pretty nice" NAACP would flip the f**k out. "You're Arabian so you can't fly on this plane", "you're not hispanic so you can't work on my construction site", lol, wtf?

The only race that is allowed to be blatanly ridiculed and told what they aren't allowed to do is white folk. Our excuse is they already got it good, but dayum, this is why they don't completely relate to any of us, why they don't understand what is and isn't appropriate. You don't gotta tell a blood he's looking for trouble wearing all red in a crip hood. And if a blood's cool enough, he can get away with it, although he'd be a bold muthaf*ka to wear red in a crip hood.

Point is why can every other race get away with the same sh*t? I remember when dudes like B-Real(cypress hill),fat joe, J-Lo 1st came out saying "nigga" dudes used to be offended, then someone says,'nah, they're not white" all the sudden it's cool.

Living your life like that, you might as well say women have no right to drive, blacks have no right to eat cavier, if you're not italian you have no right to cook italian cousine....It's rediculous, it's 2007 people, dayum.

 

[theillestone]

Numbers only mean things in relation to other numbers. So if we are going to compare black and white a groups we have to consider them in porportion or what is called "percentatges." So on avg more black people live below the "poverty line." Even the black people and white people who are considered to be in the same class (economically speaking) are really not equal. Why? It is a matter of segregation. The futher you are from the middle class, and employment, the more poverty starts to take a multiplying effect.

As I've stated ealier their is a trailer park in my neigborhood. This means the poor white kids, can go to a decent middle class school. Black people in this country have historically (and still today) been segrgated into neighborhoods that have disintergrated into ghettos. The public school system is funded by local tax dollars. Poor people make less money which also generates less tax dollars for their local school. This means the school has less money for books, teahers, exterculicar activities, etc.

So ya see again Cameron Thomas. $hit is not equal even among races in the same class. Y

Well, you were rambling on about "white" countries trying to take resources from "black" and "brown" countries, and I just named you three white countries that EXPORT OIL.

It basic economics: not every country is going to have the resources it needs to keep its economy going, so through comparative advantage it trades those things it can produce for those that it cant.

Again, explain to me the race/oil conspiracy.

"Comparative advantage" that is such a nice word. Well just how did these European countries come to have such a great "comparative advantage.?" Could you answer that Kanye? It's no conspiracy, they got their advantage through, rape, murder, pillage, extortion, of people of color and their land.

Ya''ll see this right...

"comparative advantage" he calls it simple economics, as if it is justfied and righetous. Sick ****...

 

[Cameron Thomas]

Look he's getting mad now...

So basically your argument is now, because I have intellgence I am not black, or is it because I am intelligent and black that I can't be poor, or better yet, every black person is poor and since I am not poor I am not black.

What does my personal standing in the world have to do with anything? Your are trying to narrowly define racial discrimination so you can place me in a neat box that you have manufactured in your mind.

You have never delt with the intersection of race, class, gender, history, economics, etc.

This is all new to you, take your time, there are many variables to consider...



Take your sunglasses off Kanye.

Apples with apples, oranges with oranges. A black finacial analyst makes ruffly around 70 cents for every $1 that a white finaical analyst makes. If you know anything about economics and finance then you know about intrest. If they were to invest at the same rate, for the same amount of time, in the same 410k plan, the white man would still have more money! This is systematic and cannot be denied. This is the way the world is structred my man. So you can be black with 10 degrees when you go into your trained field you will be compensated less. If you are compensated less, the less you can save. The less you can save, the less you can invest, which means the less you have to pass on.

Which puts your kids at a disadvanted to "Bob's" kids. It's really simple Cameron Thomas.

Hahaha. You really don't have a clue about me. Where I was brought up, how I was raised, the environments I've been in, my current living conditions, my education or my current financial situation. All you know is that I'm a white dude who does not want to be judged by the color of his skin or what other people of his race do. Reading a book doesn't make you intelligent. It's being able to comprehend what is being presented to you and making your decisions based on that that dictates true intelligence. Reading books that basically all have the exact same mindset isn't going to do a damn thing for you. I'm sorry. No I do not think you are intelligent. That has nothing to do with your skin color. It has to do with the fact that you seem to be easily influenced and believe anything and everything you hear. You basically repeat what you have read in fact copying and pasting sh*t word for word. I'm not mad just disappointed in having to encounter another person who thinks they are part of the answer but in reality have been tricked into being part of the problem. You would like to classify yourself as an intelligent, underprivelged, black man. When in actuality you are just an easily influenced individual who has probably had more opportunities than the next man. You made it pretty easy to pin that on you. If it wasn't true you wouldn't have had such a hard time denying it.

I didn't read this whole thread, wasn't interested, but to adress the 1st post, I beleive brother ali's white, if not white, he's not black. He also rolls with a crew of white dudes. Not sure where his opinions came from, may be his religious background and people he comes in contact with because of it, but at the same time, all this sh*t is lame.

We're a few years to a decade from finding intelligence on other plnets, and we still judge each other by where we're from and what we look like. Does E.T. get a pass to use the word nigga? lol.

At the same time, I don't trip, 40 years ago we didn't even use the same bathrooms, so we're getting better. But I'm tired of all this "if you're white don't do this" crap. I' a black dude, and if white folk started saying "if you black you can't do that" it would be a nationwide problem. Not saying it doesn't happen when we go to get a loan or when profiled by a cop, but if they straight up said "your black, so no loan for you" or "I stopped you because you're black and your ride is pretty nice" NAACP would flip the f**k out. "You're Arabian so you can't fly on this plane", "you're not hispanic so you can't work on my construction site", lol, wtf?

The only race that is allowed to be blatanly ridiculed and told what they aren't allowed to do is white folk. Our excuse is they already got it good, but dayum, this is why they don't completely relate to any of us, why they don't understand what is and isn't appropriate. You don't gotta tell a blood he's looking for trouble wearing all red in a crip hood. And if a blood's cool enough, he can get away with it, although he'd be a bold muthaf*ka to wear red in a crip hood.

Point is why can every other race get away with the same sh*t? I remember when dudes like B-Real(cypress hill),fat joe, J-Lo 1st came out saying "nigga" dudes used to be offended, then someone says,'nah, they're not white" all the sudden it's cool.

Living your life like that, you might as well say women have no right to drive, blacks have no right to eat cavier, if you're not italian you have no right to cook italian cousine....It's rediculous, it's 2007 people, dayum.

lol f*ckin' classic dude. So much truth though.

 

[theillestone]

I aint classified really at all. All these lables and boxes are of your own creation. All that is on you! I've never asked about your personal background cause it really doesn't matter in the big spectrum of things. You keep going back to this narrative about your childhood and this and that, and I've yet to even allude to your background. I don't hate your or think anything of you besides that you don't know anything about this subject.

The only reason I copied and pasted these things is because wikipedia is good for a quick resource. All information should be checked, re-checked, and double checked again, it is just a refrence no more or less than any other reference. It gave a fuller definition of some ofthe concepts and ideas I was expressing. Don't front you learned something, and all who read learned something too.

Again I have never made one single inquiry into your background.
Furthermore, I've explaind how black people are discriminated structurally and historically, as well as pointing out how white people are often times indiffrent to this reality and most of the time just plain ignorant of this fact as eximplified by your lack of "comprehension" or rebuttle to anything I've said in regards to the racial discrimination that takes against indegionous people the world over (on all class levels).

What is this denial $hit your keep talking about--LOL??? When or what am I in denial of. I said in the course of my posts 3 things about myself: I am black, not living in poverty, and yes I have been discriminated against. Do you want me to go into details of the numerous times I've been discriminated against? Do you want me to list individual accounts? Why, what would that prove to you or how would that have any bearing on whether or not black people are discriminated against in this world.

I don't get it what are you trying to prove or suggest, other than the fact that you have no argument. You have nothig to say about the hyper segregation that exists in this country nor the exploitation of South America, Africa, and what western european scholars refer to as the "Orient" Asia and the middle east. In your limited understanding of race, racism and descrimination you have failed to incorporate these concepts. You probably jus dont know, but don't front...

Cause that's what you've been doin this whole time.

 

[KS86]

"Comparative advantage" that is such a nice word. Well just how did these European countries come to have such a great "comparative advantage.?" Could you answer that Kanye? It's no conspiracy, they got their advantage through, rape, murder, pillage, extortion, of people of color and their land.

Ya''ll see this right...

"comparative advantage" he calls it simple economics, as if it is justfied and righetous. Sick ****...

Cameron, you're speaking too much sense, imma have to agree that this guy doesnt seem intelligent. I state facts and he rebutts them with sweeping generalizations.

Riddle me this, o great illest one. Who did Russia have to rape and pillage to gain control of its resources? Which people of color?

Now account for countries like Singapore and Malaysia, wealthy non-white nations. How did they become so?

If you can answer these, there might be hope for you yet.

 

[Cameron Thomas]

When have I ever denied that racism or discrimination exists. I've just brought to light that in many cases racism and discrimination is a preconcieved notion. That if something doesn't go a ceratain way it was definitely because of racism when it may have had nothing to do with racism. I haven't learned anything from your posts because I choose to get my information from more reliable sources than copied and pasted wikipedia articles from some dude on a message board. That's multiple sources. I like to hear many different sides to a subject before making a decision. Alot of what I'm speaking on is life experience something you seem to lack which is why I asked your situation. I'll take real experience over what someone has read in a book anyday. My problem is that not only do you classify all black folk as the same group but go even further into classifying all brown folk as one which leaves what left? White folk. Are Asians and Native Americans part of your "Brown Folk" classification? The mindset that you convey is that "Brown Folk" are all victims and white folks are all oppressors. You're a victim of brainwashing and have been conditioned to brainwash others. Take that sh*t elsewhere. I wasn't born yesterday and I'm definitely intelligent and experienced enough to understand that it's not true.

 

[theillestone]

I don't have to account for Singapore and Malaysia. Western European nations did not try rape, plunder, and pillage these places (well Malaysia they might have), so it does not apply to what I said. Quit making straw arguments. I never said that there were not any wealthy non-european nations. The fact is Western European nations gain their wealth from imperial exploitaiion and the colonization of lands all over the world. Singapore, is relatively wealthy but that does not somehow disprove the fact that Western European nations got their "comparative advantage", and maitain their "competitive advantage" through imperialistic and exploitivie practice that still till this day. I do not consider Malaysia a "wealthy" country either.

This is typical a response, I expect you to try and find any type of straw argument to try to avoid the main issue.

Kanye you still haven't said anyting about where this "comparative advantage" comes from. You damn well the answer...

Stop frontin...

When have I ever denied that racism or discrimination exists. I've just brought to light that in many cases racism and discrimination is a preconcieved notion. That if something doesn't go a ceratain way it was definitely because of racism when it may have had nothing to do with racism. I haven't learned anything from your posts because I choose to get my information from more reliable sources than copied and pasted wikipedia articles from some dude on a message board. That's multiple sources. I like to hear many different sides to a subject before making a decision. Alot of what I'm speaking on is life experience something you seem to lack which is why I asked your situation. I'll take real experience over what someone has read in a book anyday. My problem is that not only do you classify all black folk as the same group but go even further into classifying all brown folk as one which leaves what left? White folk. Are Asians and Native Americans part of your "Brown Folk" classification? The mindset that you convey is that "Brown Folk" are all victims and white folks are all oppressors. You're a victim of brainwashing and have been conditioned to brainwash others. Take that sh*t elsewhere. I wasn't born yesterday and I'm definitely intelligent and experienced enough to understand that it's not true.

The classification I made was based upon "modes of thought." Epistemology. Do you know what that is? Look it up. I would give you a wikipedia link cause they make things simple, but since you don't like that--do your own research. Yes Asians are classified with us. Indegionous people of the world have cultures that are more collective. Western culture is indiviudalistic. This not made up, or a theory but social fact! Just go read something cause you really don't know what your talking about. So again, the answers is YES; black people, Asian's, people from central and south america, the orient, and native americans all come from cultures that value the collective over the individual.

I'm not saying your not intelligent but right here my friend, your out of your league. You know not what you say. Go take a community class on culture.

Like I said before you know nothing about culture, you don't even recognize what European culture is as opposed to Asian, you have no concept of what the difference might be. You talk about experience but you have none. I have plenty of life expereince, I've travelled to different parts of the globe, lived in different environments, conversed with different people who share different ideas, etc.

Calling into question my background is pointless but telling, for I have yet to call into question yours.

 

[KS86]

I don't have to account for Singapore and Malaysia. Western European nations did not try rape, plunder, and pillage these places (well Malaysia they might have), so it does not apply to what I said. Quit making straw arguments. I never said that there were not any wealthy non-european nations. The fact is Western European nations gain their wealth from imperial exploitaiion and the colonization of lands all over the world. Singapore, is relatively wealthy but that does not somehow disprove the fact that Western European nations got their "comparative advantage", and maitain their "competitive advantage" through imperialistic and exploitivie practice that still till this day. I do not consider Malaysia a "wealthy" country either.

This is typical a response, I expect you to try and find any type of straw argument to try to avoid the main issue.

Kanye you still haven't said anyting about where this "comparative advantage" comes from. You damn well the answer...

Stop frontin...

Firstly, it is not a straw argument but merely points out that the world isnt as simple as you present it to be.

Secondly, European countries colonized many parts of the world and many of those places were exploited, I'm not denying this. But stating that this is somehow still going on is far from the truth. By all means show me where this is happening.

I called you out on something you said (the whole race/oil thing) and you completely changed the topic... in fact what is the main issue again, because you stated before that "white" nations were out to get "black" and "brown" nations. Now its Western European nations. Make up your mind as to who's exploiting whom.

Thirdly, imma pass on some knowledge:

http://www.straight-records.com/data/cover/gigolo138-6.jpg

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Kanye west's MTV video awards drunken tirade = My avatar

 

[Cameron Thomas]

I don't have to account for Singapore and Malaysia. Western European nations did not try rape, plunder, and pillage these places (well Malaysia they might have), so it does not apply to what I said. Quit making straw arguments. I never said that there were not any wealthy non-european nations. The fact is Western European nations gain their wealth from imperial exploitaiion and the colonization of lands all over the world. Singapore, is relatively wealthy but that does not somehow disprove the fact that Western European nations got their "comparative advantage", and maitain their "competitive advantage" through imperialistic and exploitivie practice that still till this day. I do not consider Malaysia a "wealthy" country either.

This is typical a response, I expect you to try and find any type of straw argument to try to avoid the main issue.

Kanye you still haven't said anyting about where this "comparative advantage" comes from. You damn well the answer...

Stop frontin...



The classification I made was based upon "modes of thought." Epistemology. Do you know what that is? Look it up. I would give you a wikipedia link cause they make things simple, but since you don't like that--do your own research. Yes Asians are classified with us. Indegionous people of the world have cultures that are more collective. Western culture is indiviudalistic. This not made up, or a theory but social fact! Just go read something cause you really don't know what your talking about. So again, the answers is YES; black people, Asian's, people from central and south america, the orient, and native americans all come from cultures that value the collective over the individual.

I'm not saying your not intelligent but right here my friend, your out of your league. You know not what you say. Go take a community class on culture.

I'm out of my league in what way? What I've gathered of Epistemology is that it is a theory or philosophical way of thinking. The study of knowledge. Do you base all of your facts on theories? lol. Let me ask you this. Do you think the individualistic culture, you've pinned on white folks with out just saying it, has anything to do with the fact that white folks have been made to feel guilty about having any kind of pride in their race? Hmmmmmmm. You go ahead and group yourself though. If you want to be in the same group as 50 cent cool...lol I don't really want to be in the same group as K-Fed though. I'd rather be judged for who I am as an individual. Good luck and read another book for me.

 

[theillestone]

Firstly, it is not a straw argument but merely points out that the world isnt as simple as you present it to be.

Secondly, European countries colonized many parts of the world and many of those places were exploited, I'm not denying this. But stating that this is somehow still going on is far from the truth. By all means show me where this is happening.

I called you out on something you said (the whole race/oil thing) and you completely changed the topic... in fact what is the main issue again, because you stated before that "white" nations were out to get "black" and "brown" nations. Now its Western European nations. Make up your mind as to who's exploiting whom.

Thirdly, imma pass on some knowledge:

http://www.straight-records.com/data/cover/gigolo138-6.jpg




When I said White nations I was refering to Western European Nations. Now that this issue is cleared up, what do you have to say?

Western European Nations have been out to get black and and brown nations are still out to get these nations. Their economic prosperity is determined by their continued political and economic contorl over these countries, what you refered to as "comparative advantage."