Are white producers making Hip Hop better?

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I say if you ain't gettin' hated on - you ain't doing sh1t.

A world without hate?
 
Oh really? What are you thinking about? What's on your mind?
 
Robot Sunset Extreme said:
Oh really? What are you thinking about? What's on your mind?
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I'm a night owl, I like late night talk shows and ish.

Shyt is hella bad for you, I just found out last week.

Sleep deprivation robs your brain... that's on some other ish though.

Diet too...
 
neverenoughfunk said:
stop being so senitive...

how many afro american families have folk music in their homes?

how man afro american families have jimmy buffet in their homes?

the point i was making is that whites are more likely to cross over than blacks are...

look at larry bird for instant...


when he came out afro americans did not like him but he still was a great player...

not until magic johnson embrace him did he get his just due from black folks...
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Sorry to keep this going but I realized that my response did not go through. And nobody calls me sensitive except for my mommy (I luv u mommy!!).

No sensitivity in my post, boss. Sincerity yes, sensitivity no.

You have a somewhat valid point in questioning the likelihood of 'crossing over' based on race and background, but your first two questions are completely irrelevent to what this discussion initially was and you totally lost me with the Larry Bird example, I don't see how that relates to this.

Let me explain why about the first two q's...Do you know of any black folk artists? Does any folk music you have ever heard make you nod your head or get you in the groove? What about Jimmy Buffet? Probably not.

Why would "afro americans" as you say, even want to listen to it? Pretty much nobody listens to that stuff anymore, because its aimed at very narrow audiences. Folk music - mostly politically active/aware people from decades ago, Jimmy Buffet - mostly people who vacation on the beach without a care in the world.

Now lets look at the "afro american" music that I have "crossed over" to...rap, hip hop, funk, soul, rnb...music that appeals to anyone that likes to party and dance (funk, rap), that is in love/been in love/been done dirty by someone they loved (Rnb, soul), and someone who is socially conscious in these modern times (hip hop). I embody all of these things at different times, so I can relate to them.

They have much wider potential audiences in my opinion, that is why there is more crossover from someone with my upbringing to this other kind of music that I had little to no exposure to growing up. Not to mention most folk music consists of a person playing a guitar, rarely with accompanying instruments like bass or drums, so it sounds plain. Ain't nobody gonna dance or f*ck to "Alice's Restaurant".

Now if you'll excuse me I need to pour another glass of Chardonnay and place another log on the fire, my girl wants a back rub.

*turns on Alice's Restaurant* (bow chika bow wow)

Peace! :cheers:

And yes I used some stereotypes and/or generalizations because I don't want to argue over things like what can be classified as "folk" music.
 
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White boys are making some dope ass music man. Woo!
 
im black, but white/black what the difference you either have it or you dont i dont think race plays a part as much as the events that happen in your life to mold you into the producer you are.. i was at the redbull bigtune battle this year in atlanta and the "white boys" had straight fire they held it down not to mention a white guy one..

now if we were talking about layin it down wit da ladies thas a different story .... lol jk
 
Threads contain "black" or "white" in the title always have a lot of posts. Why is that?
 
T Prod. said:
Threads contain "black" or "white" in the title always have a lot of posts. Why is that?
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Because it's a taboo topic, normally the threads go off track real fast.

It's good to see a lot of different people in Hip Hop though, makes it more interesting.

Keeps it alive.
 
it's kinda strange tho...

because a white "producer" is more "acceptable" than a white "rapper".

i think if whites want to be a part of hip hop in a large, mainstream / commercial level, it's "easier" for them to do it from the "background".

the whole thing is HIP HOP is "minority" created; so minorities look at whites like, "wtf is this guy doing w/ MY shyt???"
 
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[F_or_DEAF] said:
it's kinda strange tho...

because a white "produce" is more "acceptable" than a white "rapper".

i think if whites want to be a part of hip hop in a large, mainstream / commercial level, it's "easier" for the to do it from the "background".

the whole thing is HIP HOP is "minority" created; so minorities look at whites like, "wtf is this guy doing w/ MY shyt???"
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lol....yeah...when u look at it that way....its almost like a hip hop civil rights movement ...who's the white version of MLK? Jesse? Al? Rosa?
 
it's just - minorities probably feel like, "regardless of how many records a white rapper or producer sells, he will only be "copying" what blacks have already done." not doing anythng "new"...just doing the same shyt that blacks BEEN doing.

@ the end of the day, hip hop being "IN" a white person is what's "questionable".

a lot of blacks prolly be like, "how "hip hop" are you really? ya'll just "use" our shyt to get money / sell records to other whites; and never contribute or give back to the minority community.
 
[F_or_DEAF] said:
it's kinda strange tho...

because a white "producer" is more "acceptable" than a white "rapper".

i think if whites want to be a part of hip hop in a large, mainstream / commercial level, it's "easier" for them to do it from the "background".

the whole thing is HIP HOP is "minority" created; so minorities look at whites like, "wtf is this guy doing w/ MY shyt???"
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Things have changed a bit in Hip Hop overall though.

You won't see many black people breakdancing anymore...

Most of the people that are really into DJ'ing... aren't black...

I don't even know if black people still do graffiti...

All of the above started out as being as popular as rapping... but they have become little niche past times for the most part.

Producing is safe because beats don't have a face and there's nothing that can be seen as "fake" about a beat. So if the beat is hot, it doesn't matter who made it. With rapping, people care more about the persons life outside of music than they do about their actual songs... ask Rick Ross... or Game...

... it's the reason rappers make songs about all of their past life experiences. People assume that white people have lavish lives and if they say they don't or say they grew up hard... people think they're lying. If they have skills, people don't mind though. 3rd Bass and Em got full acceptance it seems. Bubba Sparxxx's first vid kinda portrayed him as a hick... so people assumed he probably grew with a racist background and wasn't fully on board with Hip Hop... like he was just playing around or something.
 
biggrome said:
Things have changed a bit in Hip Hop overall though.

You won't see many black people breakdancing anymore...

Most of the people that are really into DJ'ing... aren't black...

I don't even know if black people still do graffiti...
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TRUE.

so are blacks basically forsaking their stake in hip hop by not even participating EVENLY in each of the four elements?
 
[F_or_DEAF] said:
TRUE.

so are blacks basically forsaking their stake in hip hop by not even participating EVENLY in each of the four elements?
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It seems like most people went for the one that would bring them the most "shine" and took the least effort.

Normally, there's only one DJ at a party... so if you were a DJ, you wouldn't necessarily get to show off your skills regularly.

If you were a breakdancer, it got to a point where people had seen the moves so many times that nobody even went to look anymore.

Graffiti, most of the time you couldn't really show off what you did because people would actually have to go to see it.

That left emceeing, there were normally all kinds of rap contests or whatever so people would get to "show off" which is mostly what Hip Hop is about.

New generations... never even got into the old stuff... it's like it's in a history book or something, lol.
 
biggrome said:
It seems like most people went for the one that would bring them the most "shine" and took the least effort.
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true.

biggrome said:
New generations... never even got into the old stuff... it's like it's in a history book or something
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very true.

and that's the problem.

half these cats ain't even B-BOYS @ heart.

everything is "foreign" to them that they don't see on TV everyday.

cats run around talking about they are hip hop artists, but barely even know shyt about hip hop, and don't even got no background in the other elements whatsoever.

i think people feel like this:

I DON'T NEED TO KNOW SHYT ABOUT HIP HOP TO MAKE "HOT MUSIC" -

idk...

just seems like there's a whole lot if imposters runnin' around...claimin' that they hip hop, based on what TV tells them that hip hop is.
 
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SIDETRACK said:
im black, but white/black what the difference you either have it or you dont i dont think race plays a part as much as the events that happen in your life to mold you into the producer you are.. i was at the redbull bigtune battle this year in atlanta and the "white boys" had straight fire they held it down not to mention a white guy one..

now if we were talking about layin it down wit da ladies thas a different story .... lol jk
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Yep, a white guy won the Seattle Round of the Big Tune too! Color don't matter! I have said it a million times and I will say it again, If it knocks it knocks!

ONE
 
"@ the end of the day, hip hop being "IN" a white person is what's "questionable"."

this mindset would make me laugh. not because i'm white, but this is simply bs.

however, if someone has a lil' bit of racism inside and hates when white people rap or produce, then from his perspective, white people will never be a part of hiphop. never ever.

I could be also stupid and say "white people made MPCs so why black guys use it you're copying what white people did".. come on guys take a deep breath and close this topic. this is going nowhere.

you simply can't say something about "blacks" or "whites" overall and not being a fool. it's impossible. skin is just one thing from the billion if you can't understand this you're a fool.

I'm white and not even american but I guess I have more "history" behind me than a few "gangsta" rappers. Endless subject.
 
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