I think the theme of most of the responses was "Hey, that's the wrong way to approach the mixing process. This post could be harmful to the education of newcomers."
Exactly.
and not really "Don't share information, we hate you.".
Correct.
Nobody was objecting to his desire to share "information"... but more experienced people were just alerting the people who may not know any better that the information they are sharing is of little value.
...and although nobody started off saying "we hate you", he may have been successful in changing peoples opinions on that matter after he told everyone to "kill themselves".
If someone who's new to mixing comes here and reads a post about someone using presets on vocals, they're likely to take the same approach instead of learning the basic fundamentals and then dialing in the appropriate settings based on what their ears tell them. Seems to me the resistance against this post is due to the fact some newbies who read stuff like this will bypass the crucial learning process and become dependent on presets instead. In the spirit of sharing info here, it's my opinion that mixing presets usually do more harm than good and it's not a good idea to post a thread encouraging their use on a site that's geared toward people who are new to mixing.
Yes and no.
Yes, we are worried about someone new to mixing (as I would guess Dugan Fire is, since he is looking for workhorse compressor and eq settings) thinking this is a good and valuable approach...
But, no, the issue is not about "you should learn the fundamentals first" or anything about the learning process.
If there were a way to press a button and have your track EQ'd and compressed properly, I would have no problem with it. But the fact is, these kind of presets just don't work for reasons that would be quite obvious to anybody with some mixing skills.
Do they do more harm than good?
Well, if you are trying to learn and understand the concept of "mixing", then they do harm in the sense that they are not understanding how and why presets don't make sense.
...and if you just want to use presets to make a good "mix" and don't care if you know anything about mixing... well, then, you are not helping or harming anything. It is just doing another random thing to your audio... not necessarily any "better" or "worse" than doing nothing or using some random settings.
It is like if you wanted to paint your car and you randomly picked a can of paint out of a box... you may pick hot pink, or you may pick black, or you may pick tan... if you don't like what you picked, you can pick again...
...it is fine if you want to do that, but it doesn't make you a "designer" or an "artist"... and don't pretend it is a magic box that helps you to pick a good color...
Using presets is like giving a monkey a typewriter.
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Realistically, no one is gonna go off themselves over an fp thread
ummm... the point is: don't post forum rules saying "boo hoo, the rules say don't mean things to me" when you are telling everyone to kill themselves.
get it?
I started this thread to encourage sharing knowledge (presets big deal) that most seem to refuse to explore upon.
Instead of receiving replies that could dispute and correct where i may have gone wrong, i get the usual fp responses. Even from a moderator.
I clearly stated that this wasn't an attempt to give an end all solution to mixing vocals.
It's sad to see soo many individuals that would rather go out of their way to discredit another, (not surprising tho) TRYING.
You DID get replies that tried to correct you where you were wrong: presets do not really work.
There is a big difference between trying to discredit
bad information and just trying to discredit
you.
In this situation, it is the
bad information that was being discredited.
What is "sad" is seeing people who do not want to know the real facts about mixing and take personal offense to someone with more knowledge trying to help.
FP is the way it is bc of people like the ones that have replied to this thread with those exact intentions.
The problem here is that you do not realize WHAT the problem is.
You think the problem is that people want to keep you down...
But the real problem is that outsiders look at threads like this and say "FP is a bunch of kids who know nothing and spread ban information and get angry when experienced members try to give them good helpful advice"
And that is the truth.
Its obvious what i was trying to do. Which is a lot more than what others can say.
Yes, you are
tryinfg to help... and that is great...
But you need to see that there are people who know more than you... and those people who know more than you are trying to help YOU...
...and they are trying to help everyone else who is trying to learn bty getting good information out there.
i removed the pics b/c apparently i was preaching to the choir.
Those who are interested in seeing them can PM and i'd be glad to send them.
There was no reason to remove your pics. Nobody asked you to remove them (I would maybe make them a little smaller, though... they were very large)