jeffery225 said:Also, another part of the rift was that Jay was pissed that while he had eventully sold more records that Nas, many people still considered nas to be lyrically better than him, and onlookers/pundits/critics would always compare the bulk of his catalogue to Nas' debut album Illmatic. This was evident in Jay's lines in "Takeover", where he commented onhis lack of sales and supposed classic album status.
dkelloway said:first of all, thanks for the insightful response. I have 2 more questions though. Kick in the Door was released after BIG's death, so BIG didn't exactly diss Nas at the time of the RD recording? is this correct?
also, in the song "Takeover", Jay says "I showed you [Nas] your first Tek on tour with Large Professor"
so they probably met somewhere before they both became popular by knowing some of the same people in the rap world at the time. But, I find it silly to believe that Jay would go over to Nas and say "Nas, i love your style, here's my Tek"
what do you think?
in Takeover, wasn't he referring to Mobb Deep when he was talking about record sales, and how he outsold their whole last record in his first week?
dkelloway said:also, in the song "Takeover", Jay says "I showed you [Nas] your first Tek on tour with Large Professor"
so they probably met somewhere before they both became popular by knowing some of the same people in the rap world at the time. But, I find it silly to believe that Jay would go over to Nas and say "Nas, i love your style, here's my Tek"
what do you think?
in Takeover, wasn't he referring to Mobb Deep when he was talking about record sales, and how he outsold their whole last record in his first week?
dkelloway said:well if Jay was on good terms with Nas' close friend Ill Will, and MC Serch, wouldn't you think Nas would have went to the studio to drop a verse for RD. I heard that Nas was supposed to drop a verse for "Can I Live" Wow, I bet that track would be even more ill with Nas on it. I also heard somewhere that Carmen Bryan reported that Jay-Z would often call Nas and leave messages like "Primo is in the studio, we should totally get together and make a hot track" This is weirder since they both liked Primo
have you heard anything about this?
dkelloway said:so when he said "*I* showed you" when talking about the Tek, he just means that he was rapping about the Tek that some other drug dealer had(which could have easily been Jay-Z)
as20gp said:yeaa actually that is true.. because Jay-Z (ANDDD Allen Iverson) were in relations wit Carmen Bryan.. and Jay-Z actually ahd a lot of respect for Nas.. despite troubles wit biggie.. but u kno Nas kept on pushin stuff back, making excuses, not showing up.. he was supposed to be on Can I Live & Dead Presidents II, but he just never showed up.. which is actually really disrespectful..
i mean if i was Jay-Z and im coming out with my debut album, and i had Nas on my track i would be extremely excited.. and then Nas just doesnt even have the balls to say "i dont like you, i dont wanna do a track wit you" or at least call up and say "im not interested really, maybe some other time".. but he just never made any moves..
idk really why Nas would do that, somethin u gotta ask him in person lol..
dkelloway said:At the time, I remember Carmen saying that Nas never knew what to think of Jay-Z because he never knew him as a street "kingpin" and didn't know what he thought of him just entering the rap game thinking he was really something.
You heard Black Republicans right?dkelloway said:I think if Nas/Jay do a collab, I think they have to make a "Can I Live III" with the same beat, and they drop verses, and it would be nice to see a song where they both describe the beef from their points of view, and it would be great if Nas told people why he was being weird, and why he wouldn't just show up for a recording session.
Does it really matter? Plus I'm sure someone has already said Nas was more cool with Wu back then and didn't think Jay was all that... that pretty much explains it.Do you think ANYONE on these forums (maybe Nas is here?) knows why Nas didn't show up to the RD recording session? I really want to know, and I don't think I will be complete until I find out why.
TheVariousArtist said:You heard Black Republicans right?
Does it really matter? Plus I'm sure someone has already said Nas was more cool with Wu back then and didn't think Jay was all that... that pretty much explains it.
Although I heard somewhere that in a Ghost interview he once said The Wu were never that cool with Nas or Mobb Deep they just collabed with them back then cos they could.