DiaboliC
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Idiot ^
propellerheads are soon gonna announce something new/ The Reason 5 thread
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I wouldn't say its that. He maybe just found something else to be more useful but sees the potential in Reason and would ideally like to make REASON his studio. Personally I don't think its so black and white. I think its ok to have a number of tools and know when its appropriate or more efficient to use certain tools. Some ( read many) people want one tool that does everything...... but a true mechanic does not work solely with a swiss army knife.
mrgibbs
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If you want to check my music out look up baby baby by max b, bk riders by red cafe featuring joell ortiz, I working with shareefa ludacris artist on her new project, jim jones on the way I got some joints for camron new artist vado and right now I mixing a beat all in record for uncle murda regardless if you like artists or not I'm building my catalog of music up and that's all that matters to me. Now granted if I want to use stuff outside of reason I have the choice too since I own pro tools, logic and cubase along with several vsts but my go to tool is reason and record but for you to bash a products because it doesn't meet your needs is just plain stupid. But whatever I got some joint I'm shopping for lloyd banks project as well but its not point in discussing something with you anymore at this point.
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dabeatdoctor1989
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I love you too man...
mrgibbs
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What hardware has rewire 64 bit lol, what can hardware do right now that reason can't alone especially after version 5 lol, dogg its you if you can't complete a beat in reason alone then its you not. How is the routing complicated have you every tried to sit down and understand what the routing does probably not because its not that complicated the request the you ask for are basic. Don't blame the product blame yourself
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dabeatdoctor1989
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Actually this is exactly what my whole stance is on the whole thing....
mrgibbs
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Oh yeah by the way reason wasn't a daw to begin with, I can make reason and record my full time studio with no problem I have other tools like I stated befor but I make anyone of them my full fledge daw if I choose.
kb420
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I think dabeatdoctor1989 makes some good points. I like using Reason, and would probably upgrade anyway, but I didn't feel the same way about Record. Record was and still is marketed like a Reason upgrade, but I didn't see it that way. It really didn't bring anything to the table for me. That being said, Reason 5 is the same way. If you are a Live user, it really doesn't bring anything new to the table.
I think the Props realize this to a certain point, and that's why the have the "Buy Now" deals that they do. For $150 I'll get Record and Reason???? If you think about it, that's crazy. I use Reason rewired to Live. For that $150, I get Record and all of it's features and Reason 5. That's a lot of bang for your buck.
I think the Props realize this to a certain point, and that's why the have the "Buy Now" deals that they do. For $150 I'll get Record and Reason???? If you think about it, that's crazy. I use Reason rewired to Live. For that $150, I get Record and all of it's features and Reason 5. That's a lot of bang for your buck.
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dabeatdoctor1989
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Who said it was ,the features I stated would not make Reason a Daw ,if you can use Record with it...more power to you ,to answer your question ,lack of variety of effects....hardware keyboards usually come with alot of different effects ,and midi out ,those are my only complaints since you said Reason 5 can chop samples and time stretch.
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What type of effects would you like to see in Reason? Have you looked at all of the combinator effects? I dont really want to discuss midi out because thats not the aim of that product. Midi out doesn't fit in with the "Replace hardware" campaign. The midi output is internal to reason's racks if you look at it from their perspective. I would like more talk about the FX though, whats missing right now that you see as valuable?
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dabeatdoctor1989
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Like tapestop ,a surround sound type of effect where a sound plays from one speaker to another ,I know you can do that without an effect with automation but an effect is more practical ,different types of eq's like vintage sounding....just different ones with their own sound ,more reverb plugins that sound different ,other than the 2 included ,deeper filters(standalone) or even just take the synth filters and make it standalone in Reason ,they don't add them to reason at least to record since its more of a daw whether they want to admit it or not ,basically just more variety to the effects because at this point I can differentiate the sound of certain effects now ,but yeah I gotta be out ,I'm wasting time I gotta take a test today.
mrgibbs
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Those effects that you just named can be done in reason your jus too lazy to do them yourself lol which most likely will give you better results lol. What the need of make the synth filters standalone when all you have to do is flip the rack around. Most hardware/slash workstations don't come with those effects as well so what's the problem. Now reverb honesty the rv7000 is one the best reverbs on the market it obvious you don't know how to use your tools. Lol granted its not logic space designer but I take you make hip hop most hip record don't go over 50% wet on reverbs and that's a lot. So I'm not sure where your going with it. Lol lazy producers these days lol I wish you would have came up in the hardware era where you actually had to pay for. Equipment with its limitations you probably wouldn't know what to do with yourself
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If you used a lot of the old hardware back in the day, you really appreciate all the possibilities something like Reason offers. It used to be so much harder.
say it terror
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while i wouldn't be a huge fan of that music in particular. much respect to you for doing your thing and working with high profile artists.
deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup
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I've been thinking this the entire thread. Just know what starts when you say it, so I shut up. lol.
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DiaboliC
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Rewire people stop thinking of reason as a daw
Think of it as an instrument like NI Komplete
Think of it as an instrument like NI Komplete
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As easy as it sounds people insist on treating it like its a closed system that doesn't interact with anything else. Either you can see it or you can't...many folks cant so they immediately write it off something limited and not useful. I think once you understand that it rewires and get into a habit of routing signals...you can use anything you want with it lol. Any type of effects, eqs etc etc. Need midi out? rewire to your DAW and use midi out. Need VSTis? Rewire it to your DAW and keep working. Its not so hard but people make things hard with their expectations. There should be a disclaimer on the Reason/Record Boxes
"Some assembly required"
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say it terror
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jesus christ reason+record IS a DAW no matter how propellerheads try to spin it. they market reason+record as basically an all-in-on program for composing, recording and mixing.
if the main agenda for propellerheads was for us to propellerhead like komplete then every module in reason would be a VST. hell reason itself would be just one big vst. as it stands now they we have rewire which is awkward and cumbersome when compared to using any plugin natively in your DAW of choice.
if the main agenda for propellerheads was for us to propellerhead like komplete then every module in reason would be a VST. hell reason itself would be just one big vst. as it stands now they we have rewire which is awkward and cumbersome when compared to using any plugin natively in your DAW of choice.
mrgibbs
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cosign people make things more difficult than it has to be and it becomes annoying which means they love reason but the want the feature list to compete with everything esle instead of making music.
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well i agree with you to a certain extent record is more so a daw for reason. but reason itself is not a daw. when combine i'll give you that a closed in daw. which in sense is ok with. because at any given moment i can rewire that record/reason combo in another daw of my choice with gives me ulimited options so really dont understand what's everyone problem.. now can i record and make a complete track in reocrd with vocals, the beat, mixing and eiditng sure can but people cry because they want reocrd to ust vst or support third party plugins yet they own another daw. rewire take 30 second to 2 minutes to setup depending on what your trying to do. people dont want to take the time out to go through the setup process. i rewire and i have no problem doing exactly what im doing.
DaNOC
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I treat Record like it's a freakin Daw no matter what anyone says. Certain people spend to much time thinking negative about RnR instead of just making music. when you give them something in RnR THEY WANT MORE AND ASK FOR MORE AND MORE AND IT NEVER STOPS!
From now on I am not mixing in PT, I am doing it all in Record, the sonic performance is great for me and I can get a good mix especially with the SSL emulation of the 9000k, and the emulation is DAM NEAR 9000k in the real world. THAT'S ALL I NEED IS IT TO BE DAM NEAR ! World Wide said I was insane to think Record's SSL emulation was the same as the real hardware SSL, he was insane to think that I meant that. I can mix on Record's SSL which comes with Reason for $149 dollars instead of buying a 100,000 board, and get a good product. At the end dudes for get THE MASTERING PEOPLE IS THE ONES THAT WILL MAKE YOUR ISH SOUND EVEN BETTER! I even found a better way to make my music coming from the MPC sound just how I want it and not even have a bunch of tracks in Record, get the vocals and go for mines. That's not insane that's called BEING INTELLIGENT!
I love what's going down and the future of Props. Why are dudes still talking about VSTs and VSTi's? It's plain and simple that Props gave two options to get your music into another DAW to use those.
1. Rewire, that's what it was made for, Props didn't intend in the original quest to add VSTs and VSTi's in the first place, why don't people get that and move on?
2. Bounce method, this is so freakin easy it's ridiculous and with Record you can bounce as many tracks as you want simultaneously, drag and drop them in your host, if your host has that feature and bam! Record even have a midi mix export within the bounce so you can change the tempo easy within the host.
I can understand people not liking the upgrade but there are those that do, I am one.
This idiotic cliche` FANBOYISM is about the most ignorant statement I have seen on these boards. There are grown men here not boys, just because a producer appreciates the product doesn't mean they are a fan. that's just like the word HATER, it's crazy because, If I don't like Lil Waynes album I'm a hater? I have the right to not like what I want, that's not a hater, a hater would be if I try to sabatoge Lil Wayne for no apparent reason, that's a hater.
But I must say Wow to this!
The difference between asking Props for a feature that really make sense to have and a cry baby type is:
A person that ask for a request takes it to Props forum state the reason give a solid reason why it should be there and move on!
A cry baby knows from the jump what Props originally had in mind and still asking, all over every forum they get their hands on, and when explained to, they still keep crying and never express that to Props!
That's the difference between an asker and a cry baby!
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