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kenworth
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maybe im taking crazy pills or something but everyone seems to be justifying rick ross by pointing to his skills,he is AT BEST below average,am i missing something?
Rick Ross x Chrisette Michele “Mafia Music Pt. 2″ (Ross is a problem)
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How about that video where he talks like a puss? He obviously was a soft ass dude in the beginning and then suddenly he makes a 180° change to a hard ass dude? I don't think someone can do that, I think humans are naturally aggressive dudes (probably because of their testosterone levels) and other dudes are more on the chill side. Maybe he wasn't fake as far as "living in the hood" goes, but he seemed to be really busy building a persona that he wasn't deep inside. If this video wouldn't exist and this stories weren't around about him actually being puss, I would have bought the whole image myself.
Obviously you can't believe anything in the HipHop world, how ironic that in HipHop it's about standing up for yourself and being real when 80% of the participates are fake ass. There's a video of Dr. Dre singing and dancing like a puss when he first started doing music, and now he's that powerful super producer from Compton. Eminem seems to be just as busy building a persona, he never smiles when the cameras are on, always acts like a weird ass dude and puts a show on, and never is able to speak like a normal human from person to person, I don't think he's like that when the cameras are off. I just realize how everyone in Hiphop talks about being real but it's like one of the fakest genre/culture ever. No hate tho, just criticism.
Ant McQueen
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I used to feel the same way about 2Pac, but I sat and thought about it one day. Being beaten by the police, being shot 5 times, going to jail for something you said you didn't do, etc is bound to change you. Mind you those things happened back to back. Different people are affected by their circumstances differently. Obviously it made him defensive and paranoid. I don't think that makes him fake for becoming what he became. It's not like he became a gangbanger or a drug dealer. He was just a dude with a chip on his shoulder.
Bluntslide
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No, you're just one of the few people who isint all over his dick for whatever reason. I gotta belive most of the ppl in this thread are trolling for real, becuse theres no way a forum full of people "in tune" with the music world can think this garbage is hot... For real wtf people...
IAMSOSA
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No your not crazy Ross is just one of the most overrated rappers out today cause lyrically he isnt top 10 in the south
deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup
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You must not know much about Pac until his Deathrow days. As someone else said, being shot the f**k up, having the world turn on you and then being locked up for a crime you most likely didn't commit can change a person.
Tupac was "political hip hop" from a street angle. No different than Public Enemy, he just depicted a darker reality. That can easily be confused with his lifestyle by todays standards of music.
2Pac was no more the drug dealer, crackhead, homeless kids, police brutality victim, ect. that he rapped about than Chuck D was actually a Slave.
In all fairness tho. Dude wasn't backing down to nobody. People overestimate what "is" and "isn't" real. I think Pac was so multilayered people brushed off his "nikka moments" as him "being fake". I never met dude to know, but he's whooped a few azzes, beat a dude bloody and unconcious, shot a few folk, been shot the f**k up, and managed to make friends with alot of infamous people in the music biz who don't make friends with "fake people", ironically alot of people who speak on what he is hasn't done half that list.
As for Ross, I said before in the thread...hot beats, mediocre rapper. Nothing wrong with people being a fan of that.
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Difference is, when Jeezy's click started getting football numbers for their involvement in drug traffiking and gang activity, he started rapping less about slinging.
50 Cent rapped about drug dealers who ran the streets of queens who he actually worked for......
Nas Rapped about what he seen outside his window and what his friends were doing.....
Jay-Z funded his label with street money and ran with dudes like D'Haven and Mr. Freeze, also had ties to traffiking in NC with B.I.G.(no e-snitching), he literally had hundreds of thousands in dirt green before rap.
Snoop murdered a dude over his rag color....nuff said, especially since snoop hasn't "Gangsta Rapped" in years.
Malice of the Clipse was in the military. Was slinging before he went, came home on a discharge, went right back to it. He won't try to pretend he was never there, but anyone on the block will vouch him and his brother had ties to that as well.
2 Pac wasn't raised as a drug dealer. He came from a pro black background, and although his rhymes sometimes told stories of why drugs are sold in the hood, that was one of the many points he touched on. And in all fairness, he was shot the f**k up, always fighting folk, and shot 2 cops, dude wasn't very "fake" at all, just not a "drug dealer".
Kieth Murray went to college. Was proud of his degree and made an effort to display his intelligence whenever he could. Never once rapped about slinging, did rap about things he did. Still did a bid, stomped the sh*t out of a few people(famous and otherwise, to this day L.O.D. is banned from most NYC clubs), and smokes more than a chimney.
Ross raps about things that are beyond fairy tale street sh*t...and on top of all that he was the f**king Law Enforcement. Act's like he's fashoinable when he wears fake sh*t because the brands don't even make things in his size and when he says they were customized, the brands have spokespeople come out and say they weren't. Alot of truth mixed in with the fiction on everyone else's behalf, why not the same with Ross? I'm amused folk can't find a difference, or at least pretend they can't.
But you're acting as if Ross was a boyscout or something. Dude got ties to the Boobie Boys (google em if you don't know the name) & was under investigation for having a cop killed like last year. All he did was lie about being a corrections officer (why he did that i dunno). I aint saying he's the drug kingpin he tries to portray in his music but he's far from a saint.
As far as Ross not being that nice lyrically, everybody has their own opinion. He's the best in the south to me right now behind T.I. & Wayne (when he's not auto-tuning) & arguably Luda.
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deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup
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Never said he was...thought it was a news reporter he got murked? Either way, anyone with slim money can get someone offed. You act like Nelly was a Saint. You act like Lupe wasn't doing big boy sh*t he never rapped about. That's never been my problem with Ross.
My problem with him and his PR team is that they couldn't salvage his persona and he goes on like anyone is still buying it. Ja Rule's one of the realest nikkas I've been around aside from NORE and ironically Keith Murray who never set out to be a "real nikka", but Ja lost in the long run by trying to prove that to 50 Cent and fans when he could've continued making RnB hits.
I asked the same question when Ja released all those street albums and started exposing his underworld ties.
Reread my posts, for the millionth time, I'm as far from "anti Ross" as anyone can be. I just fail to understand things from a business perspective. Being a C.O. is like being a security officer at the mall until YOU make it into a shameful act by trying to cover it up. That's proof you hiding from yourself. Then, you go on to talk about what happens to people around you who talk to law enforcement and act like you some kingpin? GTFOH.
As I said before, dude should be on "5 Star Chick" or "All The Way Turnt Up" getting his career back instead of still trying to convince folk who will never beleive him again that he's everything his lying azz say he is.
Side FYI, most rappers who are affiliated with credible street criminals and gangs are paying said party for protection. Guess who they're being protected from? The guys they're paying. Extortion is real, and these dudes get it to the point sometimes the label gives them the loan for it. And that's deRaNged's "I talk too much" quote for today.
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Live a Dream
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I think that he's so multi layered is what puts people off, it makes it seem like he's not coherent. Look at that video I posted and then look how he's later in the media, that's a really extreme change, I'm asking myself how much can a person change? How can you go from that puss in the video to the super hard thug? In that video he wasn't even a kid anymore, he was 17 almost a grown ass man. How do you know who was the real 2 Pac of the two extreme ends of the spectrum? Maybe he beat a dude bloody and then went home and cried into his pillow and prayed "God take me out of this" lol, who knows, everything possible.
Other example would be 50 Cent, when you look at his story everything looks coherent with him and his persona, when you look at older photos of him, when he was a teenager or even a kid, everything looks coherent, it's like he's been what he is. When you read his biography everything makes sense, the things he went through and the things he's done.
deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup
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^^^I think alot of that was due to the change made when he was shot and went to jail. That can change one's view on life. In that early vid, he looks like some guy with a positive outlook on life to me. I know in his last days, dude felt like the world was against him.
But, I've also heard the change happened on the set of the movie "Juice"...
But, I've also heard the change happened on the set of the movie "Juice"...
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Never said he was...thought it was a news reporter he got murked? Either way, anyone with slim money can get someone offed. You act like Nelly was a Saint. You act like Lupe wasn't doing big boy sh*t he never rapped about. That's never been my problem with Ross.
My problem with him and his PR team is that they couldn't salvage his persona and he goes on like anyone is still buying it. Ja Rule's one of the realest nikkas I've been around aside from NORE and ironically Keith Murray who never set out to be a "real nikka", but Ja lost in the long run by trying to prove that to 50 Cent and fans when he could've continued making RnB hits.
I asked the same question when Ja released all those street albums and started exposing his underworld ties.
Reread my posts, for the millionth time, I'm as far from "anti Ross" as anyone can be. I just fail to understand things from a business perspective. Being a C.O. is like being a security officer at the mall until YOU make it into a shameful act by trying to cover it up. That's proof you hiding from yourself. Then, you go on to talk about what happens to people around you who talk to law enforcement and act like you some kingpin? GTFOH.
As I said before, dude should be on "5 Star Chick" or "All The Way Turnt Up" getting his career back instead of still trying to convince folk who will never beleive him again that he's everything his lying azz say he is.
Side FYI, most rappers who are affiliated with credible street criminals and gangs are paying said party for protection. Guess who they're being protected from? The guys they're paying. Extortion is real, and these dudes get it to the point sometimes the label gives them the loan for it. And that's deRaNged's "I talk too much" quote for today.
Ross was w/ Boobie Boys way b4 Hustlin so he wasn't gettin rap money like that. How far his ties go w/ them i couldn't tell you. I agree w/ you he shouldn't have lied about being a C.O. & the heavily embellished kingpin persona he puts on but hey that's what he wants to do so be it. Bottom line is he still makes great music imo & many others feel the same way. I say let him live he aint hurtin nobody.
deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup
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^^^Who "ain't lettin' him live"?
We're having a discussion. Probably the only people discussing this song, so he should be happy. lol.
And he is hurting people. He getting news reporters hit for exposing his fraudulant past in an attempt to hold on to street cred.
You still missing my point. He could actually be a kingpin, he still can't rap that sh*t no more. Look around, even in this forum, you're one of his few remaining fans.
If Lupe came out tomorrow talking about his ties to the heroine trade, I'd be in here with a similar discussion, and he wouldn't be lying. It's about targeting your fanbase. Ross lost his "hood" following, all he has left is people who don't care that he lies about street sh*t(whether he's lying or not, they think he is), so why not broaden his range and get some new fans?
All I've said since last year. Him and his PR team are too stupid to see that, so he's digging himself a grave. Hope he kept any connects he had, cause he's gonna need to go back to the block.
deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup
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1st post in the thread.
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Since you've seen people come and go over and over, this is a question that really interests me, what do you think how Rick Ross is gonna earn his money once it's over for him? How continue all the other people earning their money once their shine is over? I mean they've build this lifestyle, got the house, the cars and everything, and somehow the money has to continue to come in. And most of them weren't smart enough to prepare for the times when their sh*t doesn't hit anymore, all that money wasted on materialistic things.
I'd doubt they take a regular job in the 'normal world' they probably have connections in the industry and just do some work at labels etc. but I don't know tho, I'm still always wondering what these people are up to once they're gone from the spotlight.
deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup
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Most go into seclusion, lose a few cars, move into a cheaper place, get work spitting a verse when they can for underground artist, and get a girl with a little money to help out. He's Rick Ross, he can pull a rich chick, lol.
Some actually invest in other ventures while doing music and end up coming out alright.
Some actually invest in other ventures while doing music and end up coming out alright.
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MUSIKFIEND
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^^^Who "ain't lettin' him live"?
We're having a discussion. Probably the only people discussing this song, so he should be happy. lol.
And he is hurting people. He getting news reporters hit for exposing his fraudulant past in an attempt to hold on to street cred.
You still missing my point. He could actually be a kingpin, he still can't rap that sh*t no more. Look around, even in this forum, you're one of his few remaining fans.
If Lupe came out tomorrow talking about his ties to the heroine trade, I'd be in here with a similar discussion, and he wouldn't be lying. It's about targeting your fanbase. Ross lost his "hood" following, all he has left is people who don't care that he lies about street sh*t(whether he's lying or not, they think he is), so why not broaden his range and get some new fans?
All I've said since last year. Him and his PR team are too stupid to see that, so he's digging himself a grave. Hope he kept any connects he had, cause he's gonna need to go back to the block.
LOL every Ross thread you come in saying the same stuff. We get it, you don't like him. Ignore the threads then.
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That's actually one of the smartest things one can do, that's how I would do it myself. When I read Dr. Dre interviews I realize how smart he was about his money from the beginning on, as far as I can remember he belongs to the top 10 maybe 15 richest in hiphop, and he mostly did it just from music. Finding and producing Eminem and 50 Cent alone brought him good money, not only that, you don't see him rocking chains and wasting money, he basically lived under his means.
I can't understand why so many people are so short-sighted and can't see that they most probably will have to move into a smaller house when buying such a huge ass villa. That they will have to sell 5 of the 10 cars. All after they are not hot anymore, when all the time they could have set themselves up for the future. Makes no sense to me.
deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup
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You have a comprehension problem that leads you to beleive I feel any way about Ross. I don't. If I seen him tomorrow at the bar, I'd buy a bottle and catch up unless he felt another way.
He didn't cheat me out of money, just people I put him in contact with, I have no anymosity, just don't work with people like that because all I got is my name and since I'm not Rick Ross, I can't afford to make promises and not come thru.
He's not the only artists to ever mess up a promotion, that has nothing to do with my view of him.
Every Ross thread that recreates the situation for me to speak get's spoke on. But I have no wishes of malice intent for dude. I don't say his music sucks, don't attack him personally, I just discussed the song and where I feel he is flawed.
Apparently I'm not the only one who isn't buying it. Check the threads you seem to single me out in. If you didn't want any further discussion why did you chime in like you always do?
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He never said he doesn't like him, he even commented him on his music.
joey tunez
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Can someone please tell me if any tax records or anything actually backed up what Tia told him?
after all didn't 50 offer her a million dollar book deal (these hoes love writting books since superhead) if she said what he told her to say?
isn't 50 himself a guy who took getting shot for being a snitch and turned it into a mob boss king pin persona himself?
just saying.
after all didn't 50 offer her a million dollar book deal (these hoes love writting books since superhead) if she said what he told her to say?
isn't 50 himself a guy who took getting shot for being a snitch and turned it into a mob boss king pin persona himself?
just saying.