Rewire Vs Bouncing To Disk Sound Quality Video

[DaNOC]

Am I the only one in this thread that realizes the 14:2 mixer effects the sounds put in it as Propellerhead has stated themselves?

^^^ Exactly ctfu lol that's why they made a better mixer and oh boy did they do the dam thang with it lol He's working in Reason and I am working in Record so my sound is going to have a better sheen, I dare him or anyone to say the 14:2 mixer in REason is better than the SSL 9000k in Record, lol I dare them lol

 

[malki]

^^^That's all I said 1st page that got the "f**k deRanged" squad supportin you because they have that much distaste for you, then you fed off the energy and ultimately admit I was right.

And you can rewire a sing stereo chaneel using the mixer. You an engineer right? I ain't gotta explain it. open a stereo track in Pro Tools and figure it out when you click on "Rewire>Reason R and L Stereo"

yes but its cumbersome to make 14 14:1 mixers for 14 seperate sounds. who in there right mind would do this?

and no im not saying "**** deranged" people just got mad because you came off like "**** you"

i made this video because i felt like everyone was saying "**** malki" when i knew i had a good point, da noc was just blinding them with the size 15 font. lol no offense

 

[malki]

^^^ Exactly ctfu lol that's why they made a better mixer and oh boy did they do the dam thang with it lol He's working in Reason and I am working in Record so my sound is going to have a better sheen, I dare him or anyone to say the 14:2 mixer in REason is better than the SSL 9000k in Record, lol I dare them lol

if i had a copy of record i'd like to compare the "ssl 9000k" mixer to pro tools because it says you can rewire record! telling me that their mixer may not be as good as advertised.

 

[[F_or_DEAF]]

PROVE WAV QUALITY IS COMPROMISED WHEN BOUNCING!

imo, this convo is more about whether the Reason MIXER "hurts" the sound in any way, shape, or form; or not.

 

[malki]

PROVE WAV QUALITY IS COMPROMISED WHEN BOUNCING!

LOL this almost sounds neanderthal

"I AM ALPHA MALE"

lol

 

[malki]

 

[deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup]

yes but its cumbersome to make 14 14:1 mixers for 14 seperate sounds. who in there right mind would do this?

and no im not saying "**** deranged" people just got mad because you came off like "**** you"

i made this video because i felt like everyone was saying "**** malki" when i knew i had a good point, da noc was just blinding them with the size 15 font. lol no offense

Now you can't comprehend? I said nothing remotely close to what you're talking about. Why load 14 different 14:2 mixers to give yourself 14 times the compromisation? I guess I'll have to make a vid of what you were supposed to do? I don't got time, but it's quicker than trying to explain for the 80th time. "Professional Engineers" these days. SMH.

I see why Massive had to leave this sh*t alone.

Last time. Maybe you'll get it.

Open Reason. Delete everything that opens in your template. load NNXT make a loop. It will play thru channel 1 & 2 of the "output"(no mixer). Export Loop. Save file. Rewire in Pro Tools. Load File. Export same loop from Pro Tools. Close Pro Tools. Load both .wavs back up in Pro Tools for Null testing. If there's a difference then. you're right. If not, DaNoc is. Either way, who tha fucc cares?

All this and peoples mixes will still sound like sh*t regardless if the don't know how to mix and be clean as f**k if the do.

Your f**kin welcome. We all can't be as genius as you.

Sorry for being such a dyck. but since I'm already gonna get called one(check ya own post response to my helpful 1st post). I might as well play the role to perfection. Cause I am a dyck. i try to come up here and act like you guys are my "peers". I'll be on my pedistal looking down on y'all knowlegeless peasants for the rest of the thread.

 

[say it terror]

again this topic is turning into a "word discussion".


just to clarify.

a .wav file is lossless.
the reason mixer "changes" the sound.

am i correct?

to have the best possible sound (best is subjective though...) it seems it would be better to rewire in REALITY. this is because, as malki has already stated, when you make a song in reason (stand alone) you are going to be using a mixer and when you rewire you're not going to be creating individual mixers for every single instrument.

 

[DaNOC]

whatever your writing about losless wavs mean nothing when they come from the reason enviornment.


bam

WAV is short for Waveform audio format


A .WAV File is the standard audio format for storing music, sound bits, noises, and other such items on your computer.
In fact all those sound effects when your computer shuts down, starts up, or gets an email are .WAV files.

Wav files are rather large uncompressed high clarity audio files.

Uncompressed files are files that have not been "made smaller", for lack of a better term. A good compression example would be clothes. When they are in your closet they take up alot of room, but you can put them in a suitcase sit on the suitcase and zip it up. That last bit could be considered compression.


Other sound formats such as .MP3 have came about recently that are smaller as they have been compressed.

Do not fear however as .WAV is here to stay! .WAV files are the international audio currency and problably will always stay that way.




http://free-loops.com/what-is-a-wav-file.php <---another source


THEY CAN'T BE ALL WRONG MALKI !!!

How be it so that I am saying the same thing and giving you many resources and they are saying the same thing. You can't prove wav lose audio quality for wav stand for wav audio file! IT'S FREAKIN ADUIO SO HOW WILL IT LOSE AUDIO QAULITY WHEN IT'S NOT BEING COMPROMISED! It even said if you compress it it is still 100% quality. I didn't say it, and I heard it for myself. Being you nor your supporters will challenge me on quality, easy and fastest way of bouncing wav, I have proved my Point . Again I dare someone to do a video on those three points and I will show you you won't lose no quality! You think I am going to sit and record the length of my track twice? if it's 4minutes long I have to listen to it 8 minutes in realtime when I only have to listen to it in 4minutes. Oh but wait I don't even have to now to in PT I can do all my tracks right there mix it and export it to two track out of Record and it will sound pristine! How about that. Props said it themselves !


PROPS PAGE!

http://www.propellerheads.se/products/record/index.cfm?fuseaction=get_article&article=mix <----THAT

Mix
All your sounds will end up in Record's main mixer. This mixing console's sound and signal processing was faithfully modelled after* the legendary SSL 9000k analog mixing desk. Flexible routing, full dynamics, EQ, advanced effects handling, full automation and a 64-bit mix bus gives you that big studio sound right out of your computer. And yes, you do get that master-bus compression.


When I mix it going to be high quality so when I bounce I don't even need to go to PT. There are dudes that stated here on these boards and others THEY ARE NOT OPENING UP PT ! lol You use Reason while I use Record!

 

[deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup]

imo, this convo is more about whether the Reason MIXER "hurts" the sound in any way, shape, or form; or not.

Says the other dude who had so much to say about my 1st post.

You compromised the mix, so your test proves nothing.

Compromising Actions:

Removing the mixer.
Lining up the timing.
Recording the input into Pro Tools after mixer was removed.


To correctly test, you would've had to leave the mixer removed in Reason when you exported the loop. Then rewired Reason to Protools, export(bounce down) the same loop, and then load them both back into Pro Tools to null test.

Or leave the mixer on both. Even Reason's manual explains that the 14:1 mixer curves frequenciess you can even set it to curve them differently.

Not arguing, just explaining why that wasn't an accurate test.

End of the day...I export music straight out of Reason that's just as clear as anything you'd hear on a CD, so I don't really care either way, but until someone takes the time to correwctly disprove the company... They say Reason renders lossless 44.1/24 wav files. I say they sound good enough to keep me rich off music.

Maybe you guys can read all the sudden? Check the bold?

 

[deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup]

again this topic is turning into a "word discussion".


just to clarify.

a .wav file is lossless.
the reason mixer "changes" the sound.

am i correct?

to have the best possible sound (best is subjective though...) it seems it would be better to rewire in REALITY. this is because, as malki has already stated, when you make a song in reason (stand alone) you are going to be using a mixer and when you rewire you're not going to be creating individual mixers for every single instrument.

But then we have to question quality of Combinator patches. Drums ran from Redrum to their own seperate 14:2 channels. ect. Not to mention whether or not you prefer the "filtering"(for lack of better wording)the mixer gives...but 1st...we'd have to test to figure out if the mixer is indeed the cause of the differentiating files.

None of that has been determined and won't be until more tests are done.

 

[say it terror]

Open Reason. Delete everything that opens in your template. load NNXT make a loop. It will play thru channel 1 & 2 of the "output"(no mixer). Export Loop. Save file. Rewire in Pro Tools. Load File. Export same loop from Pro Tools. Close Pro Tools. Load both .wavs back up in Pro Tools for Null testing. If there's a difference then. you're right. If not, DaNoc is. Either way, who tha fucc cares?

not to argue with you because i already know you know much more about reason and general producing than i do..

..but what you are describing there would be more akin to a scientific test with strict guidelines. in REALITY when somebody is tracking a beat out from reason they will have the song made and will be working with a mixer. i think the original argument was that rewiring offered better sound quality than bouncing from reason.

when people are making a song in reason they will be using a mixer, when they are rewiring they can bypass the mixer. i believe it has already been established that the mixer changes the sound.

 

[[F_or_DEAF]]

my 1st post.

you think your "first post" is on point...RIGHT?

 

[say it terror]

But then we have to question quality of Combinator patches. Drums ran from Redrum to their own seperate 14:2 channels. ect. Not to mention whether or not you prefer the "filtering"(for lack of better wording)the mixer gives...but 1st...we'd have to test to figure out if the mixer is indeed the cause of the differentiating files.

None of that has been determined and won't be until more tests are done.

sorry i don't really understand what you mean by the first part.

btw i'd just like to clarify that i'm not trying to upset anybody here (i know some general insults are being thrown around). i'm just kind of interested in this subject because i like reason and i've heard in the past that the sound quality in the program is poor. to me i have never had a problem with it (probably has something to do with the style of music i make, polish isn't exactly a requirement..) but nonetheless it's nice to read about these things.

 

[DaNOC]

yes but its cumbersome to make 14 14:1 mixers for 14 seperate sounds. who in there right mind would do this?

and no im not saying "**** deranged" people just got mad because you came off like "**** you"

i made this video because i felt like everyone was saying "**** malki" when i knew i had a good point, da noc was just blinding them with the size 15 font. lol no offense

You know what I have to stop you. I hope your joking because you keep saying this, where in any of my post do I type in size 15 pica fonts? why do you keep saying that? I type in size 3 and there is not size 15 it only goes up to 6. hmmmmmmm

I am not blinding no one, as I said show me where wav audio quality is to bad to bounce and I will stop using bouncing!

 

[deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup]

not to argue with you because i already know you know much more about reason and general producing than i do..

..but what you are describing there would be more akin to a scientific test with strict guidelines. in REALITY when somebody is tracking a beat out from reason they will have the song made and will be working with a mixer. i think the original argument was that rewiring offered better sound quality than bouncing from reason.

when people are making a song in reason they will be using a mixer, when they are rewiring they can bypass the mixer. i believe it has already been established that the mixer changes the sound.

It's all good discussion between us. You had no anymosity towards me for no reason, I display none towards you.

To go into what you're saying...if the test isn't scientifically accurate, what does it prove? Any compitent engineer who's exporting directly from Reason would be using the Mastering EQ, Compressor, Stereo Dynamics, and Limiter. As well as tweaking individual instruments and applying effects. So by the time they export, their sound has as little to do with the 14:2 mixer as rewiring to Pro Tools would. Does it not?

If we go that route, alot of top tier engineers have given acclaim to the new Output FX and Mixer in ReCord saying they surpass the sound of most vsts/"rtases"?...so..... In a real enviroment going by popular opinion, DaNoc is right. That's going by your analogy. I can't say anyone's right until tests are conducted properly. All i know for fact is...I personally don't care.

BTW, I'm not a ReCord supporter. I f**k with Pro Tools. i'm no one's enemy here, just use common sense.

 

[say it terror]

oh i think i get it now. are you referring to combinator patches that use the mixer? or basically projects as a whole that you would rewire but still have sub-mixers within them?

if that is so then i think we should just look at the reason mixer as a sort of device that "colours" the sound in some way. as you said some people might prefer this sound.

 

[DaNOC]

sorry i don't really understand what you mean by the first part.

btw i'd just like to clarify that i'm not trying to upset anybody here (i know some general insults are being thrown around). i'm just kind of interested in this subject because i like reason and i've heard in the past that the sound quality in the program is poor. to me i have never had a problem with it (probably has something to do with the style of music i make, polish isn't exactly a requirement..) but nonetheless it's nice to read about these things.

whoever said reason had poor quality in sound is a liar and I will tell them here! Reason is one of the dopest programs, man I seen techno cats kill it with REason. I hear people say this and that about Live, but Reason is just as or if as good as other apps. It's just your choice and how you use it. By the time it gets to the mastering people it will polished real well. Reason is great on refills, on it's programs, effects etc. Sequencer top notch, just behind the MPC. Now Record is a whole other topic, it's like Reason on steroids. lol

 

[[F_or_DEAF]]

the original argument was that rewiring offered better sound quality than bouncing from reason.

EXACTLY...

fukc it tho...

gotta just agree to disagree sometimes.

 

[say it terror]

It's all good discussion between us. You had no anymosity towards me for no reason, I display none towards you.

To go into what you're saying...if the test isn't scientifically accurate, what does it prove? Any compitent engineer who's exporting directly from Reason would be using the Mastering EQ, Compressor, Stereo Dynamics, and Limiter. As well as tweaking individual instruments and applying effects. So by the time they export, their sound has as little to do with the 14:2 mixer as rewiring to Pro Tools would. Does it not?

i don't know if i follow you exactly, but i think you might be saying that if you are exporting from reason anyway you are going to be using the mastering eq, comp, limiter, stereo imager and that they would have such an effect on the sound as to almost null the point of bypassing the reason mixer and rewiring into another host.

am i correct in saying that?