TonyG shyt on sites like PMP

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Dot_Robinson said:
Obviously you missed the point...and my post about 'filtering' for that matter. Sad really.
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No, I didn't miss the point, your post, and it's not sad. I disagree with you, that's all.

You say they would be doin ppl an injustice to filter the crap out? That would be true if there were only a handful of producers, but PMP has around 1000 producers now. Each submitting 2 or 3 beats per dump is a retarded amount to go thru for an A&R.

In my opinion, PMP isn't for branding. Myspace is for that. PMP's main allure is that it has access to A&Rs. People don't pay money for the opportunity to brand themselves on PMP, they pay to have access to A&Rs.

So, while I agree with the philosophies that you guys talk about, the reason I disagree with you guys is because I'm STRICTLY talking about PMP, filtering, and A&Rs. You guys talk about the music industry in general. That's not the topic. I'm staying on topic.

Besides, I'm not even doing this for me, I'm doing this for ppl who may be considering PMP as an option. My situation is beautiful now. I'm good. It's people who don't have access to the movers and shakers who would contemplate using sites like PMP. I'm trying to clear up some issues for them.

Anyway, I agree with Legal, this thread has run it's course. We're just repeating ourselves at this point. I'm out (unless some new **** comes up here)
 
Voss25 said:
In my opinion, PMP isn't for branding. Myspace is for that. PMP's main allure is that it has access to A&Rs. People don't pay money for the opportunity to brand themselves on PMP, they pay to have access to A&Rs.
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Good timing, since you've brought up the topic of branding I believe we can continue on. Myspace has very little value when it comes to branding because EVERYBODY has access to Myspace (global internet and zero cost). If anybody could wake up and get a Def Jam record deal what would be the value of the Def Jam brand? ZERO, same with Myspace. Same with SoundClick...there is a big difference between access tools and branding resources. You ASSUME that the main allure of the PMP is access to A&R's but when I visit the site what I see being promoted the most is the producers that are using the site (again the market place concept). But I will tell you for a FACT that many producers are joining the site based on who is using the site, because it gives them credibility by placing their BRAND in the same company as notable producers. If I was an A&R or artist looking for quality music I'm going to the place that already has a high precentage of proven hit makers and I have immediate access (click on their profile and listen to their songs).

If you actually examine the site carefully you will realize that its making A&R's, artists, etc... have to come to them instead of the other way around. Do you seriously believe all the established producers are on the PMP solely for access to A&R's? Of course its about branding, because most of the producers on there you wouldn't even know who they were (or more importanly CARE) if they were not in a place designed for just that purpose. Forget the track dumps and whether they filter or not because the PMP IS THE FILTER. And if you think it doesn't work then TonyG wouldnt have gotten beats off of the PMP and producers on this site like Team Green, Trap Camp, etc... wouldnt be saying its a valuable asset to their business.

Once again if any producer is looking at the PMP or any other site, conference, connect, email address, phone number as a short cut to instant industry success then the problem is ON THEM. Think BEYOND the traditonal music industry and then you will start to see things a bit clearer and you will be able to make the best decision based on BUSINESS LOGIC.
 
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I agree with everything except I think you have to differentiate the levels of producers. Established and semi established producers may use it for branding purposes and to keep themselves visible, but the unknown joe blow producer from Timbuktu is probably thinking more about the access to A&Rs than the branding aspect.

One of the other issues I have is that you speak about branding and say how PMP gives you the spotlight for A&Rs, then turn around and say **** placements. You see the irony?

Everyone knows the industry is changing and we must adapt, but publishing money is strong and healthy. You need placements to get publishing. And plz, no one quote this part and say "DIY" because even if you "DIY" on your own artist's project, guess what that is....a placement.
 
Voss25 said:
PMP isn't for branding. Myspace is for that.
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so you still think myspace is better for branding that PMP?

what Legal said makes a lot of sense...

people don't associate "value" with "free"...

also, what's the main difference between "branding" and "advertising / marketing"???
 
Voss one of an A&R's duty is to shift threw countless beats, in fact, they shift threw countless beats REGARDLESS.

Let's think hypothetical.

If PMP had a track filter, and you were a PMP member, and you submitted a track to MC Joe Smoe that you thought was simply amazing and out of the box, but it never reached MC Joe Smoe because someone at PMP decided to filter it based off their personal preference...stay with me... and months go by, MC Joe releases his album, you watch an interview where Joe Smoe says "I was personally looking for out-of-the-box style production"...How would you feel?
 
[F_or_DEAF] said:
so you still think myspace is better for branding that PMP?

what Legal said makes a lot of sense...

people don't associate "value" with "free"...

also, what's the main difference between "branding" and "advertising / marketing"???
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Yes and no.

Yes, because trying to compare Myspace vs PMP is like comparing the Sun to a candle. They're not even in the same league. True, it is a free service, but I don't think ppl think about that when they check someone's Myspace page. What sets ppl apart on Myspace is their layout, number of views, number of plays, little extras, and finally their music. Say you have over a million views, someone checking your Myspace is automatically gonna be more impressed than if you have 100 views.

Sick layout + views + plays = good for branding

No, because Myspace is cluttered and anyone can get one. If you don't stand out, it's not good for branding at all.

In the end, ppl don't see Myspace as a bad thing because superstars have them too.

Umm...branding is associating yourself with something. For example, BMW is associated with luxury and quality. Advertising is just telling ppl that you and your product/service exist.

You can defend PMP all you want, but just admit it has some major flaws.


Dot_Robinson said:
Voss one of an A&R's duty is to shift threw countless beats, in fact, they shift threw countless beats REGARDLESS.

Let's think hypothetical.

If PMP had a track filter, and you were a PMP member, and you submitted a track to MC Joe Smoe that you thought was simply amazing and out of the box, but it never reached MC Joe Smoe because someone at PMP decided to filter it based off their personal preference...stay with me... and months go by, MC Joe releases his album, you watch an interview where Joe Smoe says "I was personally looking for out-of-the-box style production"...How would you feel?
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I feel you 100%. This happens to me in real life as well. I was having this argument with one of go betweens about a track I felt strongly about for a certain artist and they just wouldn't pass it along, so I had to go around them to get it thru. And guess what, they loved it. We'll see if politics allows me to get that placement, but at least now I have a chance.

Here's the solution to that: 2 tier track dumps

For each track dump, everything submitted goes in the big ass pile that it is right now.....BUT.....PMP staff also go thru the dump and pick their top 30 or whatever that they recommend. If the A&R doesn't have time that day, he can listen to the recommended ones. If he/she does have time, go thru the pile of 3000 beats.

How you feel about that?
 
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Dot_Robinson said:
Voss one of an A&R's duty is to shift threw countless beats, in fact, they shift threw countless beats REGARDLESS.

Let's think hypothetical.

If PMP had a track filter, and you were a PMP member, and you submitted a track to MC Joe Smoe that you thought was simply amazing and out of the box, but it never reached MC Joe Smoe because someone at PMP decided to filter it based off their personal preference...stay with me... and months go by, MC Joe releases his album, you watch an interview where Joe Smoe says "I was personally looking for out-of-the-box style production"...How would you feel?
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well thts why there are descriptions by the track dump... I know dudes just be sending whatever they feel is a "club banger/up-tempo/down-tempo/ballad" etc... but keeping it real, people think they shyt is hot lol.... and not everything you do is what the artist/A&R/Mgt is asking for... alot of your favorite producers get they stuff rejected as well... we do too and we aint even big yet but we got 2 major singles doing well on the radio... So once cats can realize tht they are not as "HOT" or "CREATIVE" as they think they are... you will get past the point tht 1 out of 100 beats will be heard by the right artist or recorded and made into a hit record.... not even to mention the industry is a ugly place to be (with Jay-z money being F'd...yes a multi- platinum artist is struggling)

Thats the way I look at it... I'd never put all my eggs into one basket... Got many thing on the plate... actually too much on our plates lol... and its from making moves all over both streets and the net

OUTKAST HASNT CAME OUT WITH AN ALBUM AND JUST SIGNED TO DEFJAM!!!!!

or you can just stop complaining and rely on being a star on pmp or whatever you wanted out of this website lol
 
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But why would you sit and sift through myspace looking for dope producers when you can find them instantly on PMP?
 
AveMcree said:
well thts why there are descriptions by the track dump... I know dudes just be sending whatever they feel is a "club banger/up-tempo/down-tempo/ballad" etc... but keeping it real, people think they shyt is hot lol.... and not everything you do is what the artist/A&R/Mgt is asking for... alot of your favorite producers get they stuff rejected as well... we do too and we aint even big yet but we got 2 major singles doing well on the radio... So once cats can realize tht they are not as "HOT" or "CREATIVE" as they think they are... you will get past the point tht 1 out of 100 beats will be heard by the right artist or recorded and made into a hit record.... not even to mention the industry is a ugly place to be (with Jay-z money being F'd...yes a multi- platinum artist is struggling)

OUTKAST HASNT CAME OUT WITH AN ALBUM AND JUST SIGNED TO DEFJAM!!!!!

or you can just stop complaining and rely on being a star on pmp or whatever you wanted out of this website lol
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Thank you!


And Dot Robinson, not sure exactly why you posted your track, but I listened to it anyway. It's not bad, but it's not great. Beat was ok, but the vocal melody really didn't do it for me. Lyrics were kinda generic, try and be more creative/poetic. Also, you wanna strike a chord with ppl when they listen to your song. I didn't really hit me.

I hope u take that as constructive criticism and not as hate.
 
K-1ne said:
But why would you sit and sift through myspace looking for dope producers when you can find them instantly on PMP?
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I know what you mean, but is PMP instant? Used to be. Not anymore. Too cluttered now.
 
K-1ne said:
But why would you sit and sift through myspace looking for dope producers when you can find them instantly on PMP?
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lol EXACTLY!!! AND THEY GOT ALLHIPHOP.COM ON LOCK which is the #1 source for hiphop/R&B <<<< another huge innovation which Vibe magazine, XXL, etc have to catch up too now hahahahha

thats more traffic!!!!!

funny thing is, cats complaining about shine when PMP does a great job of distributing the shine evenly...

thisis50.com is next to co'sign.... do yall know huge that site is????
 
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Free post... :cheers:
 
Noyzi said:
Just incase he erases this before he reads it I PM'd The Wizzkid this...

I knew you were just a mouth... I don't care if you avoid me or not but for you to tell me how whack i am and you've never heard my shyt i really feel u need to be checked. Your running ramped with your mouth and I've got to get at you on this one... If you don't address the battle offer than atleast be man enuff to say your scared of getting shut up. Once I beat that a$$ you already know everyones gonna clown you for it and it'll be the end of you on FP. Ask Fugutive beats, he was a coward too... Let's get it man... I don't have all day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


plz help this dude stop avoiding the mirror... LETS GET IT WIIZARD>>>> COWARD
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Ill take you up on that battle noyzi
 
Voss25 said:
Can you explain this part?
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I think what Ave means is that AHH is online, interactive and can bring news, videos and exclusives among other things instantly but Vibe and XXL have to print monthly.
Plus print media is dying.
Or AHH and PMP have some sort of new business relationship to drive more traffic.

And I'd rather sit and listen to 100 producers on PMP instead of 10000 on MySpace.
The fact that somebody is paying $50 a month to be on PMP tells me instantly that they are serious with their music.
How do I know Lil Young Hot Beatz on MySpace is a hobbyist or professional?
 
Voss25 said:
What sets ppl apart on Myspace is their layout, number of views, number of plays, little extras, and finally their music. Say you have over a million views, someone checking your Myspace is automatically gonna be more impressed than if you have 100 views.

Sick layout + views + plays = good for branding

Myspace is cluttered and anyone can get one. If you don't stand out, it's not good for branding at all.
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awesome perspective on Myspace...

myspace fundamentals for aspiring artists!!!
 
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