I decided i'm giving music up...

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I suggest you sell your equipment and move on,maybe become a professional bowler.
 
This thread is great, the best teacher is real life experience!

What if Troup decided to start his own 'Future Producer' type message board and never posted on this site again. How many would follow him (and still probably be active on this board), that would be the true test of brand value.
 
The reason people stay on this site is because the name of the site plays a mental trick on them unconsciously. The members count also makes people want to be "part of the mix". We know that the member count has kept running since day one so it's huge. If they did an actual active member count of people that have posted in the last year... the number would slide to less than 10,000 probably...

Illmuzik.com had a good "got to be approved" concept for their forum but it wasn't the same. Too rigid, people felt they'd get kicked off if they wilded out I guess.

No other forums will take off like this one because of how deep it is in the search engines. When people Google for anything music related, FutureProducers is somewhere near the top and 8 times out of 10... the people searching want to be FutureProducers and the name sets things up to where it looks like "A BUNCH OF PEOPLE LEARNING HOW TO GET INTO THE GAME" in their minds... so they come here... see the daily soap opera's and personalities... and stay.

If they go to other boards... there will be 300 members with 20 threads that have 4 replies and 35 views and it'll seem boring...

It took a long time to get FP to where it is now, lol. I HELPED!

Salutes self... (somehow)

The name of this site is genius... it plays on people's emotions and desires. I guess a name like www.abouttoblowup.com would make people look but once people are on the site they would probably figure out that ... there's no one there, lol. I get people that add me on myspace that never post on here... lurkers. FP is a magnet.
 
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Good post (Rome), you understand that it basically boils down to human behavior traits. Those that can translate those traits into pratical application are the ones that run the business world, the rest play within the box that already exist.

now I ask you the question of why isnt there a 'Future Artist' or 'Future Label Exec' or 'Future DJ' message board around? If it does exist I stand corrected.
 
j.troup said:
So Robot Sunset II, what should I do? Instead of starting this website, what do you suggest that I do?
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I would say think about and focus on what makes people want to listen to music. The elements of songs and beats that make people LOVE them. I mean you know how to sequence, you have experience, you have technology.

Keep evolving like you said and use the tools and skills you already have to figure out what you can do to make the masses take pleasure from your audio recordings. We have had so many hits in our society and so many musical styles that its almost overwhelming to consider what your options are when you first start making a song on a empty palette.

So study those hits with your producer cap on and try to figure out psychologicaly why those songs were hits. Focus on the techniques so you can know why they work and how you can create those same effects.

Try to make things so catchy that if you listen 200 times over and over you wont get tired of it. And once you make something, you should instantly love love it. if not scrap it. You need lighting to strike. And you need to understand if it does when it does. And why it does. And why people love what they love.

On hit records, lighting strikes multiple times. With the Beatles for example, they were able to make lighting strike on purpose over and over again like geniuses.

I would say try that have be your goal. Making songs that are so good and so creative that many professionals will want to do business (which you are ready for that) as if your skills are their meal ticket. Powerful and wealthy people are always on the lookout for elite talent.

I can imagine people having checked you out and gotten that pro-sumer vibe and thought.... nah...

Which is the one thing I am trying to express. Which was my initial impression of you. So maybe that information from a strangers point of view might be of some use to you.
 
good to see that not much has changed on fp since the green site.Good luck with the site troup, maybe if it doesn't pan out you could take the publishing deal instead of quitting....never know, the contacts and name you make for yourself could lead to something much bigger after the deal is up...sorta like an nba rookie contract

I used to hate to hear stories about people on fp quitting and selling their equipment, used to worry me that one day I'd be in that situation. Actually, the day i realized that all the love that i had for it had gone it felt great to sell my stuff. I used to be up all night doing something music related, I could spend hours making a kick perfect. However, after the millionth song about how cool someone's shoes are and the fact that besides a select few rappers seem to not be allowed to move past a teenager's mentality the **** became a job...felt good to quit. Now i'm on the lsat prep thing trying to have my ass in an Ivy League next year..we'll see
 
Robot Sunset Extreme said:
I would say think about and focus on what makes people want to listen to music. The elements of songs and beats that make people LOVE them. I mean you know how to sequence, you have experience, you have technology.

Keep evolving like you said and use the tools and skills you already have to figure out what you can do to make the masses take pleasure from your audio recordings. We have had so many hits in our society and so many musical styles that its almost overwhelming to consider what your options are when you first start making a song on a empty palette.

So study those hits with your producer cap on and try to figure out psychologicaly why those songs were hits. Focus on the techniques so you can know why they work and how you can create those same effects.

Try to make things so catchy that if you listen 200 times over and over you wont get tired of it. And once you make something, you should instantly love love it. if not scrap it. You need lighting to strike. And you need to understand if it does when it does. And why it does. And why people love what they love.

On hit records, lighting strikes multiple times. With the Beatles for example, they were able to make lighting strike on purpose over and over again like geniuses.

I would say try that have be your goal. Making songs that are so good and so creative that many professionals will want to do business (which you are ready for that) as if your skills are their meal ticket. Powerful and wealthy people are always on the lookout for elite talent.

I can imagine people having checked you out and gotten that pro-sumer vibe and thought.... nah...

Which is the one thing I am trying to express. Which was my initial impression of you. So maybe that information from a strangers point of view might be of some use to you.
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So learn how to make a hit (as if there's a science).




And then what? What should I do after that? Because at that point, I'm still in my basement, making beats.
 
Don't do it!!! I've been making beats since 1988 and i do it because i love it!!!!
 
damn, a troup thread, lots of debating, 20+ pages.......

haven't had one of these in a while.......
 
Legal Dollaz said:
now I ask you the question of why isnt there a 'Future Artist' or 'Future Label Exec' or 'Future DJ' message board around? If it does exist I stand corrected.
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There are sites for them, the sites just don't have the name that keeps their hopes alive. Most of the artist settle in on forums like this one in their own little section. If this site were called FUTURE EMCEES.COM then there wouldn't be this many "producers" on here but there would be some in an amount probably equal to the lyricism or DJ section on here. There would be a lot more rappers though.

Nothing really exist for the rapper or DJ because everybody wants to be a producers, lol.

If somebody gave them their own place with a site that had a name that would tie in to what they were thinking... all of the FP emcee's / DJ would migrate to those sites and turn it into a place for them without the dominant theme of "producer" looming over their heads.

I bet Mano could do it again.

Most DJ's already do gigs though so it would have be named some like DJCONNECTION.COM or something and get some Technics ad's on it.

MPC Forums is pretty deep with MPC owners... but that's a niche machine. This site covers FL, LIVE, REASON, PROTOOLS, CUBASE... everything.

The name of this site has the Horse and Carrot appeal to it...
 
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Yeah...I need to find out where the future singers and rappers hang out....because IndustrySound.com is for them!
 
sorry to jump in so late in the thread and ask a question that's probably been answered in the thread already, but...

troup, what sort of a site is industrysound.com going to be?

an outlet for your production? or, like you said, an "encyclopedia" sort of information collection? are you trying to make it interactive and get others involved? if so, do you want to involve people as musical contributors or as general site users/posters?

what sort of technical stuff are you trying to include? is it mostly hard-coded content and layout, or will you have lots of server scripting with forms and back-end database stuff?

well, without knowing anything about your site, i just want to throw this out there, cuz it's an online-music technology that intrigues me... might be relevant for your site... have you heard of soundcloud.com? it's a site that allows people to post their music and send music to each other.

soundcloud is written in ruby, a programming language that has me very excited since it is now the focus of my job. ruby is a very new, flexible, and powerful language that is also the basis for twitter. the reason i mention this is that soundcloud has an API (http://soundcloud.com/api) that can allow you to include soundcloud functionality in your third-party site. setting up a widget on a third-party site is also not difficult, but using the API can let you include soundcloud's functionality in your actual code so as to handle more behind-the-scenes tasks than a simple widget. the API seems to be mostly XML-based, but there are API wrappers available in several languages, including ruby (http://wiki.github.com/soundcloud/ruby-api-wrapper).

anyways, hopefully you might find that relevant. again, let me know about your site. i've noticed that you're a very active musician with a solid online presence so i'm interested to see what you're up to with this project.
mobay said:
good to see that not much has changed on fp since the green site.
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hahha i almost forgot about the days of the green site.
 
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j.troup said:
So learn how to make a hit (as if there's a science).


And then what? What should I do after that? Because at that point, I'm still in my basement, making beats.
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If you had hit material A&R would be bending over backwards to get it off you.
 
I remember Mobay.

Mobay didn't you post up some photos of you getting married in some Jordans?
 
ptonemusic said:
If you had hit material A&R would be bending over backwards to get it off you.
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Yes...Bending over backwards all the way to my basement.


So is that your solution? Make "hit" records, and feed them to A&R's?




:(
 
ptonemusic said:
The solution is: Make music people want to listen to.
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lots of people want to listen to garbage. don't get me wrong, there's money in that. but for integrity's sake, why not just stick to making *good* music?
 
ptonemusic said:
The solution is: Make music people want to listen to.
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And then money just magically comes in the mail.


Precisely my point. No matter what your music sounds like, you have to have good business behind it.
 
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