I decided i'm giving music up...

[j.troup]

But you'd rather take people's money and sell them a dream.

If you really believed the industry was failing you wouldn't be setting up a website that depends on the industry surviving.


Aren't you basically just selling guide on how to break into the CD Duplication industry? How well would that guide do if the CD Duplication industry disappeared?


There's some real holes in your logic. You say the industry is going to disappear, how will your site survive if it does?

IndustrySound.com is about helping people ACHIEVE THEIR GOALS, no matter what those goals are.

The major label system isn't for me. That's not to say it's not for someone else...


So if that is their goal, then there will be products and services at www.IndustrySound.com to help them achieve that goal. Whether it be original songs to shop, instrument loops, drum kits, or knowledge and advice on ways to get heard.


If someone's goal is to be an artist and put out an independent CD, then www.IndustrySound.com has products and services to assist them as well. Original beats that they can write and record to, original songs that they can sing to put on their project. Live suggestions on ways to effectively bring that product to market.



IndustrySound is about providing products and services to help people reach their goals...whatever those might be.



So IndustrySound.com doesn't depend on the major label system surviving. The business plan is set up such that it survives, as long as there are people who want to make music.





There are no holes in my logic. There are holes in your understanding of what my plans are...


It'll all be revealed, very, very shortly.

 

[j.troup]

Are you selling the equipment f***? Lol

If this thing is a failure, then I'm selling the equipment.



But if this thing is a success, then I'll be GIVING away equipment!!




Imagine Beat Battle...tournament style...winner gets an Open Labs Miko...



EVERY MONTH.




Sounds great doesn't it??

 

[ptonemusic]

If the majors fail PMP fails. If the placements dry up TAXI disappears.

Your site is no different. It depends on the current system giving YOUR customers a dream to pursue.


Do you think people are gonna pay for your service if the industry collapses? If they took your advice they'd give up music altogether.

 

[biggrome]

Don't forget about that FP curse and stuff...

spread some chicken bones around in a circle, light some incense and put on some tribal music, take a shower in some holy water and bleach to cleanse yourself, fast for a month, don't eat animal flesh for 3 months, eat a pack of Exlax and take some diurex, meditate for 2 hours a day, do not speak for 3 weeks, ask Infradead to erase your FP history...

then you can launch the site...

 

[j.troup]

If the majors fail PMP fails. If the placements dry up TAXI disappears.

Your site is no different. It depends on the current system giving YOUR customers a dream to pursue.


Do you think people are gonna pay for your service if the industry collapses? If they took your advice they'd give up music altogether.

Then clearly you don't understand the purpose of The PMP. The purpose of THE PRODUCTION MARKETPLACE is to bring together production BUYERS and production SELLERS. And it does that very well.

If the majors dry up tomorrow, there will still be rappers and singers who need beats. So the need for that MARKETPLACE would still exist.



IndustrySound.com doesn't sell dreams, anymore than Guitar Center sells dreams.


Your problem is that you have tunnel vision. You think that the majors are the only dream to aspire to. If Eazy E, Master P, and The Williams Brothers had thought like that, we would have never had Ruthless, No Limit and Cash Money records. All of which were selling hundreds of thousands of records before the majors even came sniffing.


If the majors died tomorrow, there will still be people who want to make a career out of singing and rapping. Which means they need will need songwriters and producers. Which means that IndustrySound.com has products and services to aid them in the pursuit of those goals and dreams.


Slavery was abolished, the plantations closed down, and slaves went out and STARTED THEIR OWN FARMS. The agriculture industry still thrived without the huge plantations.


Stop thinking like a slave.

 

[ptonemusic]

Then clearly you don't understand the purpose of The PMP. The purpose of THE PRODUCTION MARKETPLACE is to bring together production BUYERS and production SELLERS. And it does that very well.

Please tell me what happens if those major buyers dissappear like you predict they will? PMP is built off selling a dream to aspiring producers. No majors = no PMP.

If the majors dry up tomorrow, there will still be rappers and singers who need beats. So the need for that MARKETPLACE would still exist.

If the majors died tomorrow, there will still be people who want to make a career out of singing and rapping.

Most of those rappers will stop rapping if they read your posts and realised the error of their ways chasing the dream.

 

[biggrome]

What's you timeline for the cut off date for "success" Troup.

1 year, 6 months, ?


You don't have to answer that. Too much info out already.

People are going to want you to fail now... based off of the tone of this thread.

 

[IAMSOSA]

If this thing is a failure, then I'm selling the equipment.



But if this thing is a success, then I'll be GIVING away equipment!!




Imagine Beat Battle...tournament style...winner gets an Open Labs Miko...



EVERY MONTH.




Sounds great doesn't it??

That **** does sound great now watch all the haters join the site good lucc to you in whatever you decide to do

 

[j.troup]

That **** does sound great now watch all the haters join the site good lucc to you in whatever you decide to do

The first beat battle I'm going to have is going to be for $500 cash prize.



I already got people hitting me up like crazy wanting these .99 cent beats.

 

[j.troup]

What's you timeline for the cut off date for "success" Troup.

1 year, 6 months, ?


You don't have to answer that. Too much info out already.

People are going to want you to fail now... based off of the tone of this thread.

That's the thing. I haven't decided that. It definitely won't be anything under 12 months.



People already want me to fail. And that's fine...




But let's see them resist the opportunity to win $500 in a beat battle that cost them .99 cent to enter.

 

[Neox]

Noooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!

 

[Robot Sunset Extreme]

One day, people will realize that this is a BUSINESS.


Beats are beats...they are a dime a dozen. Everybody makes beats.


Beats don't sell themseves. Songs don't sell themselves. The business behind the music is what sells them.


If your dreams are just based on BEATS without a solid business stragey to monetize that work, then your dreams will never yeild any long lasting reward.


I'm sorry, but I'm grown. And I ain't trying to be working these 2 jobs (day job and music) 18 hours a day for nothing.

If I'm going to live off of music, then there has to be a good business plan behind it.


So no, I didn't quit music...I still love music with all my heart...but the BUSINESS of music is what will take me out of this day job.



I have a different perspsective than alot of you, who are still making beats in your bedrooms at your parents house. That's not a diss, that's just reality.


The real world is quite different.

yo, some real advice:

Dont you think youre TOO business oriented? I mean from what I have seen of you, youre always coming off as the type of guy who is so into "business" that it makes you seen artistically unprofessional. Business is not that hard and its not enough to come off as a business man.

Music is about creating emotions through sound recording. If you want success, you have to work on your artist game. You have more than enough of your "business" side out there, now you still have to make genius level music/beats to stand out. This is America and there is a lot of competition from millions of people. How are you gonna stand out? By making medium-good beats and trying to sneak into fame by business strategy? Or making a product so good that it sells itself. Worry less about the business gimmick and go back there and master the basics like piano skills, melodies, and chords. Youre at the intermediate level. If you spend so many hours with it, spend those hours reading every chord composition and advanced music/songwriting books you can find and push yourself to reach that next level. To where you and your products are so good that they sell. Its ultra competitive.

I can tell youre dissapointed somehow and sorry I poked fun at you before, but I only did so before because it was obvious to me you were so unbalanced. Ive met many other people (pro-sumers) like you in many different fields, not just music. You guys are out there everywhere. Trying to take over the world and sell yourselves when your product isnt even elite or competitive.

I myself can make ok beats already, but I'm not even gonna try to push myself on the industry until I make songs so catchy that it is undeniable to almost anyone and everyone that hears it. And I feel like I am putting in the mental effort of a rocket scientist to reach that level of precision, detail, and elite artistry. Are you? Or are you just playing around, trying to cheat with clever business models?

Balance. You need both artistry and business.

 

[j.troup]

There is no such thing as a product that sells itself.


My artistry is FAR from mediocre.



And even if it was mediocre...good business sells mediocre products.



The major label industry pushes medicore music down your throats every day....and we eat it up.



Good business will sell ANYTHING. Bad business (or a LACK of business) will cause even the best of products to fail.



I have the music part down. I'm pretty good at that. Now I have to find a way to SELL IT...


Beats can be as sick as they wanna be, but if you don't know how to SELL IT, then u might as well leave them on your hard drive.

 

[Jay.]

Stop me at any time if I've got you wrong here, Troup.

Basically, he is putting all his chips into Industry Sounds. He is giving himself the chance and taking the leap for the first time where he is completely in control, with no chance and no viable reason for anybody to have influence or control over the outcome of Industry Sounds, except himself. This is the control he's been craving, and if it doesn't work out, then that means that it won't.

 

[Robot Sunset Extreme]

There is no such thing as a product that sells itself.


My artistry is FAR from mediocre.



And even if it was mediocre...good business sells mediocre products.



The major label industry pushes medicore music down your throats every day....and we eat it up.



Good business will sell ANYTHING. Bad business (or a LACK of business) will cause even the best of products to fail.



I have the music part down. I'm pretty good at that. Now I have to find a way to SELL IT...


Beats can be as sick as they wanna be, but if you don't know how to SELL IT, then u might as well leave them on your hard drive.

See I feel like I've pinpointed your exact issue. Like I said, you are stuck on that one sidedness. You think your product is "good enough" so now youre moving to advertise with it and youre not getting breakthrough success.

You had the Kobe analogy. So lets say Kobe is to sports as Just Blaze and Scott Storch are to music. You first have to reach that level of ability first. You want the success of these guys but you havent focused enough on your skills. You think your skills are like Kobe and youre trying to get to the All-Star game. But your skills are more like the 12th man on the bench of the Charlotte Bobcats... and youre over there trying push and sell your way to the All-Star game, but youre not fooling anyone. Nobody is gonna invite you to the All-Star game because youre not Kobe and the people with money and power can always tell. Thats where youre fooled. You think they cant tell youre a pro-sumer but they pick up on the subtleties and can tell.

So what you have to do is to go back to the basics, work on your vertical leap till you can jump as high as Kobe. Work on your jumper, work on your three pointer. Until you get as good as Kobe. As good as Blaze and Storch where you are able to make hits over and over again. Im talking HITS not passable beats.

To be in league with the best and most competitive, you have to BE the best and competitive. You cant fake it. You cant push it through. That is where I feel youre stuck.

Everyone can see what you cant see yourself. I'm being honest here and trying to help you. Sometimes we cant see how we come across as good as strangers can see the real us...

The thing is you are close. A lot closer than most of us. But you can work on it (advanced music composition) and you can get there. You have everything, experience, now you just need genius level inspiration to create some real ass music. Youre close so you might as well not give up. I am just arguing that maybe if you tried to focus on that some more and not ignore the concept of improving your skills, you might make something happen that you couldnt before.

 

[j.troup]

Stop me at any time if I've got you wrong here, Troup.

Basically, he is putting all his chips into Industry Sounds. He is giving himself the chance and taking the leap for the first time where he is completely in control, with no chance and no viable reason for anybody to have influence or control over the outcome of Industry Sounds, except himself. This is the control he's been craving, and if it doesn't work out, then that means that it won't.

Bingo.


I'm taking responsibility for my success OUT of the hands of others, and controlling my own destiny.


Puffy was depending on Andre Harrell & Uptown Records to make him a successful exec, and he got fired for being a "know it all". So he assumed responsibility for his own success, and put all his chips into Bad Boy Records.


J.Troup was depending on (insert business relationship here) to make him a successful music producer, and he got disappointed at every turn. So he assumed responsibility for his own success, and put all his chips into IndustrySound.com



It's all about no longer depending on OTHER PEOPLE for MY SUCCESS...


You're not gonna get rich off of someone elses venture. Because they are too busy making themselves rich.

 

[j.troup]

See I feel like I've pinpointed your exact issue. Like I said, you are stuck on that one sidedness. You think your product is "good enough" so now youre moving to advertise with it and youre not getting breakthrough success.

No...my product is not good enough. It will NEVER be good enough. Music is an endless process of evolution.

My music will never be perfect. But right now, it is to the point where it is ready for market. For the first 5 years of my production pursuits, I wasn't worried about the business of music...because my product wasn't ready for the business part yet. Now that my product IS ready for the business part, I'm adding that weapon to the arsenal.

You had the Kobe analogy. So lets say Kobe is to sports as Just Blaze and Scott Storch are to music. You first have to reach that level of ability first. You want the success of these guys but you havent focused enough on your skills. You think your skills are like Kobe and youre trying to get to the All-Star game. But your skills are more like the 12 man on the bench of the Charlotte Bobcats... and youre over there trying push and sell your way to the All-Star game, but youre not fooling anyone. Nobody is gonna invite you to the All-Star game because youre not Kobe and the people with money and power can always tell. Thats where youre fooled. You think they cant tell youre a pro-sumer but they pick up on the subtleties and can tell.

Who said that? I don't have to be on the level of a Just Blaze or Scott Storch...cuz when they started, they were on my level.

Success is a journey, not a destination. But you have to begin that journey SOMEWHERE. I'm beginning mine RIGHT HERE. I will eventually reach the success level that I want...but it is a journey.

So what you have to do is to go back to the basics, work on your vertical leap till you can jump as high as Kobe. Work on your jumper, work on your three pointer. Until you get as good as Kobe. As good as Blaze and Storch where you are able to make hits over and over again. Im talking HITS not passable beats.

I've been doing that. But at some point, you have to GET INTO A GAME. I've practiced. Now I'm taking my ball and GETTING INTO A GAME.

To be in league with the best and most competitive, you have to BE the best and competitive. You cant fake it. You cant push it through. That is where I feel youre stuck.

Everyone can see what you cant see yourself. I'm being honest here and trying to help you. Sometimes we cant see how we come across as good as strangers can see the real us...

What y'all can't see is that THOSE GUYS AREN'T MY COMPETITORS BECAUSE I'M NOT TRYING TO BE IN THE SAME MARKET AS THEY ARE!!


If the common man was getting beats from Storch and Blaze, then we'd be in competition with each other. But those guys are busy serving the majors, while the minors are starving for INDUSTRY QUALITY MATERIAL...


That's where IndustrySound.com comes in.



I'm not thinking about the majors. So whatever parallel or analogy you try to draw between me and them, is an instant fail.


I've taken my eyes off major producers and major artists. That's what you need to understand. They don't exist anymore for me, nor are they the center, focus and purpose of my music anymore.

 

[Prince Chas]

All I can say is that I pray everything works out the way you want... dont know you that well but its always sad to see someone discouraged

 

[j.troup]

So Robot Sunset II, what should I do? Instead of starting this website, what do you suggest that I do?

 

[Jim Bond]

If the majors fail PMP fails. If the placements dry up TAXI disappears.

There will always and forever be a need for music. It's just a matter of where it needs to be placed.