You just fell apart at the seams there. I can't even respond to that, it was just rambling. I kept "jeebis and alla" out my discussion so not sure why you think I'm pushing religion here.
The point is that on one side you talk about societal norms, on the other hand you talk about subjective "feelings".
There's no objective morality, there's no book that tells you what to do or not, if that was the case (as some suggest in the thread), then YOU and I and 99% of us would still be slaves, here, there and everywhere.
So if I speak about separation of church and state, then that's exactly the point; you don't establish majority vote decisions based on some religious doctrines.
You don't "push" religion, you align with people who do and think their argument is valid.
I'm not religious at all, I just think it's disgusting for 2 men to be in a relationship. Some people freak out when interracial couples hold hands, some people would freak out if they went to japan and saw people eating dog meat, some people freak out when they see you in a fur coat or littering or whatever.
I can't stand looking at two men kissing each other. So?
You talk about "morals" as if they didn't change over time. I don't get that.
South Koreans eat wild dogs, many Hungarians eat salami made of horse meat. I like dogs and I don't care about horses. So?
How do you think did it happened that YOU and I mean YOU personally are not on the field picking cotton today? Was it always the case and white people simply forgot, or did something CHANGE?
A PERSPECTIVE on things? I don't get you.
What does protecting the rights of two GROWN UPS have to do with bestiality, pedophilia and such?
Of course you can live with several women.
In fact, how many mofu do you know who have children from different women? Or women who have three children from three different dudes?
It's just that TAX BENEFITS and the MATRIMONIAL RIGHTS do not extend to polygamy.
What the **** is your point? Either you defend the rights secured by the constitution, or you don't.
What has me and you being grossed out by two gay dudes have to do with their rights to live together if they want to? They already do and have done for decades. It's about their rights as citizens to have their matrimonial rights granted, that's all.
It has nothing to do with gay orgies in a Catholic Church during a gay wedding (?????).
Everyone has different morals, but when moral is thrown out the door and we get into definitive SEXUAL DEVIANCE, again, that's everything from group sex to oral/anal to homo to animal to pedo to incest to who knows what. They all fall in the same realm beyond morality. Don't get so worked up defending 'your gay friends' that you lose track of LOGIC. .
LOL and another veiled attempt at associating me with gays or calling me gay.
I'm so embarrassed now. Act like a grown up.
You may score some points with some low IQ morons here, but that simply looks childish to me. What are you, 12? 34, right? Act like that in a discussion or go and tell your mom that I said bad things to you. Do we agree on that? Cool.
Look up how many states still prohibit oral sex or anal sex among heterosexuals. Where you can send your wife to jail for giving you head (?????).
That's TWO ADULTS AGREEING UPON A SEXUAL PRACTICE. Wtf?
And yes, then there's DEFINITIVE DEVIANCE.
Everything that involves sentient beings being forced to sexual intercourse without their consent, or without being able to make these decisions by themselves do to the AGE OF CONSENT.
Don't play the dumb mofu. You are not good at it. Leave it to others who are obviously way more "talented".
What's deviance? Forcing people to sex. Forcing minors to sex. Sex with animals (look above@ "sentient beings"). Practices involving hurting people (amputation, stabbing people during sex, penetration with sharp objects, etc...).
That's clearly sick, right? WHY? Because we agreed upon it. It's the subject of decision in a secular state.
So it doesn't matter if a pedo wants to rape a 8 year old girl. That girl is not an OBJECT and doesn't have the right to decide whom she wants to have sex with. Agreed? Cool.
So in a secular society, it doesn't matter if your neighbor is a Muslim, where polygamy is allowed and having sex with children is cool. There's not "objective" morality part that can get him out of trouble with the law in the US.
Understood? THAT'S the difference.
I may like eating cooch and be disgusted by gays no different than gays might get grossed out by pedos or dog f**kers, but beyond moral they're all examples of sexual deviance. So when it comes to rights, if we consider letting gays get away with gay shyt, why do we no let other wierd shyt fly(not saying we don't, we definetly do)?
"Weird shit"? What is "weird shit" in your mind? Allowing people to dress up like Disney cartoon figures and **** in their bedrooms? They already do that. Allowing people to eat food off of each other while having sex? They already do that. Role-playing (where your Jewish girlfriend wants you to play a Nazi death camp officer who rapes her? They already do that).
LOL, yeah, that's "weird shit", but let them have a go at it. I don't care. As long as daddy and mommy don't bring their 12 year old daughter into the game? I don't care. I really don't.
As a hetero man, how can you defend homo relationships and not defend a pedo, incest, palligamist(sp), or animal relationship? Now if you're gay, then it makes sense, gay doesn't seem just as wierd as the others to you because you're gay.
I explained that to you at least ten times, with "crayon picture"-analogies and such.
You are like a white supremacist who simply can't consider, that a Black man having sex with a White woman ain't beastality, 'cause a Black man ain't an animal. That's the whole problem. You consider gays "Untermenschen" (sub-humans), just as the Nazis did with the Jews and the racists did with the slaves in the US. There's not a bit of a difference, really.
Accent needs to be put on "two adults doing what two adults want to do.........leave me out of it and I'm ok with that. You not hurting other people or animals? Good! You do it in your own privacy? Great! **** off now!"
Don't you get that position?
Don't you know that Jewish lawyers sometimes defend the rights of Nazis? It's as simple as that.
The difference is, that said Nazi can say "nigger" in his own house as much as he wants, it doesn't OBJECTIVELY hurt ANYBODY.
The moment he goes out and kills black people, that's different, right?
Gays don't HURT anybody just because they are gay. And they are not sub-humans because they are gay. Same goes for Jews, Blacks, Latinos or blind people. Not a bit of a difference.