You are greatly misinformed. Apple hardware is made Foxconn and is made specifically for Apple computers. They do not use off the shelf parts. You are highly misinformed. How can you even say that when there are only 2 motherboards on the market that currently support thunderbolt? Each which cost over $300.
Misinformed? Are you one of those Apple geeks who think they are all handmade by Steve Wozniak? Yes, right, it's all manufactured for Apple. The RAM, the drives, the HDs, the Intel CPUs, the AMD, cables, etc... Yes, it's all manufactured by Foxconn. You do understand that it's an ASSEMBLY LINE, right?
They ASSEMBLE pre-existing hardware or compile it from available parts.
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Major customers of Foxconn currently include:
Wait, this is pointless. I just realized you have no clue what your are talking about. You do not need more than 8gb of ram to run Komplete. I run Komplete on my MBP with 4 GB and have zero latency or click and pops with my CPU not even barley being used.
I have looked up part for part to build a Mac Pro and it easily cost over $6k. Again, you have no clue what you are talking about. What about the screen? The Apple 24" cinema display is $550.
First of, turn off your condescending tone, imbecile. This is not a kindergarten here and we don't measure dicks either. It's a discussion.
Second, NOBODY in their right mind would run a production on an iMac on a daily basis, having to load 2GB orchestra patches or several instruments into Kontakt, or even a couple of Omnisphere programs which can easily hit 2GB EACH for a multi-part patch. Not to mention THE LOADING TIMES.
What do you average on a standard 7200rpm HD? 50-60MB/s? And that's when it's doing nothing else but reading. Have fun waiting for 30-40 seconds to fully load ONE patch. You want to go through a library and actually try out sounds? Do you think we have the time to spend 50% of our day loading patches or sessions and instruments and tracks? LOL
You do realize that you need decent drives, because they themselves have big differences in time delays before they can go "into action"? And that's why it's favorable to have as much RAM as possible to be able to load the session once and not bother the drives with streaming/loading anymore?
You do understand that you sometimes have to load FOUR OR FIVE INSTANCES of a VST, right? Do you understand that I'm talking about a PROFESSIONAL SETTING?
You want to stream all of that (which happens in "normal" productions all the time) from your HD that your OS runs on? And at the same time maybe record to the same drive? And stream 60-80 tracks of 24/44-48kHz audio from the same drive? And let the OS handle all of that while writing to the slow harddrive? Are you kidding? And you are accusing me of "not knowing what I'm talking about"?
Yes, we used to pay THOUSANDS 10-12 years ago to buy UW160SCSI drives (edit:30+GB). So what? Back then, there were no alternatives and over the time their stuff got worse and worse and I simply had enough of the crap a while ago.
And yeah, about the MacPro, which the discussion isn't even about.
Yes, you are right. The 12-core MacPro starts at $3,800 and "the parts cost easily 6k". I just realized you are a troll. I actually know my shit and try to help. Damn, they charge you $150 (!!!) to go from 12 to 16GB of RAM. LOL The "big boy" comes with two $550 CPUs, $150 worth of RAM (12GBs) a whoopin' $60 1TB harddrive, a discontinued 5770 from 2009 (LOL) which lets say costs $150 dollars.............I mean we haven't even discussed the MacPro earlier, but lets play. Just for the sake of argument and that you maybe realize how delusional you are in your assessments.
Lets say I really build a 6k Mac Pro, ok?
- Two 2.40GHz 6-Core Intel Xeon processors (12 cores)
- 24GB RAM
- 512GB solid-state drive
- 2TB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s hard drive
- 2TB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s hard drive
- ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB
- One 18x SuperDrive
- Apple Magic Mouse
- Apple Keyboard
- Keynote
- Pages
- Numbers
- One on One
That's
$6,057.97, but lets round it off to $6k for argument's sake, because the OS comes with the computer, ok?
And mind you, I will pay someone to put a comparable PC together, I just pick the parts. That's why I put the "One on One" service in. It's not the same, but at $99 we come to the same range of paying for assembling my custom PC.
Windows 7 comes with a bit of simple software, hence why I added Keynote/Pages/Numbers to the equation.
But you claim the parts on a Mac Pro which STARTS at 3,8k "are easily worth 6k". Are we agreeing on that, that that's your statement from above? So I even went as far as assembling a REAL 6k Apple, based on your 3,8k "worth 6k" delusion, in the Apple store. You see how fair I am in my argument? So you get another advantage (the one to see reality for what it is).
Ok lets play:
Two
Intel Xeon E5645 Westmere-EP 2.4GHz LGA 1366 = 2 x $550 = $1100
ASUS Z9NA-D6 ATX Server Motherboard Dual = $300
Kingston 24GB (3 x 8GB) DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) ECC Reg. RAM = 200$
512GB SSD OCZ Vertex 4 (
so newest technology, not from 2010
mind you, even if Apple was using THIS EXACT SAME DRIVE, not the old Toshiba, they charge you an additional $850 (!!!) for it over the internal standard 1TB HD) = $450
2 x 2TB
Seagate Barracuda XT (
fast, not the old crap from Apple) = 2 x $150 = $300
EVGA Nvidia GTX 570 (
beats the AMD above, but comparable) = $250
Power supply 800w (
too many to choose from) = $150-200
Pioneer Black Internal BD/DVD/CD Writer = $90
What do you want to spend on a mouse and keyboard? Lets say $150
So we end up with much better parts, but a (for the sake of the argument) comparable workstation.
Endresult? (Not quite) $2990
So I'm the moron who doesn't know what he's talking about, yet a genius like you would pay
ADDITIONAL THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS (!!!) (read:
DOUBLE THE PRICE (!!!)) for a CASE and an OS.
Do you know now who's the one who "knows what he's talking about"?
I won't go into the iMac discussion, because you are obviously trolling.
Look up what the ATI Radeon 6750M costs. I rest my case.