Studio upgrade??? what do you think

I'd say screw everything else and get two LA2A's. That's just me though.

why would do that
this compressor won't produce sound...it won't get me a accurate mix.lol
it's a great piece of gear
but I can get IK Multimedia's

White 2A Leveling Amplifier based on the la2a for $99 great,I mean great emulation plug-in try them out

The Black 76 Leveling Amplifier is based on the 1176 for $99 also

2014 it will be all about the tracking equipment
the amazing Tascam DM-4800,and 3 modified Mics



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2 UA Tube compression units -_-... This is Future Producers, not GearSlutz ;)
 
2 UA Tube compression units -_-... This is Future Producers, not GearSlutz ;)

yeah but I love gearslutz but yeah most guys here aren't into audio engineering like that

but I am but I'm about ITB audio engineer I don't do much outboard gear



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I'd rather have Adam A7 or Dynaudio BM5a and HS50m's for checking mixes and vocals. Better deal. You will hear the difference. Then add acoustic treatment and IK Multimedia ARC 2 if you need room correction.

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If I was going to start over from scratch and on a serious budget this would be my setup.

iMac or 13" MBP
Apogee One or Duet
Shure SM7b
Oxygen 49 or 61
Dynaudio BM5a
Acoustic Treatment

First upgrades would be:
CL7602 mic pre (amazing for the money)
Sputnik Mic (great affordable tube mic)
AT4040 Mic (great clean mic)

My dream studio would look more like this.

iMac
Apollo Quad
Dynaudio BM5a
SM7b
NPNG mic pre
BA Neve pre
Bock Audio 195
Bock Audio 151
Blueberry Mic
Royer 121
Treatment
 
my Dream Studio soon to be reality

1. Tasam DM-4800 with firewire 32in/out with Meter Bridge $4,000.00

2. Mod'd RODE NT1a - U87 Alternative $600.00

3. New Modified MK-012 MSP2 with Premium Electronics (black) $700.00

4.BLACK LION AUDIO AUTEUR PREAMP $600.00 (for different color)

5.GIK Screen Panel $300.00

6.Empirical Labs EL8 Distressor $1,400.00

1-5 will be purchase Feb. 2014 or sooner if my Praise Party DJ'ing Gigs work out well
6. is not a must(would love to find a software emulation was decent in price and high-end in performance

Feb.2013
1. JBL LSR4326P Pak $1,000.00

2. Yamaha HS50M $400

3.custom PC 24" HDMI Computer Monitor x(2) $1,300 total

4.Primacoustic Stratus Broadband Ceiling Cloud Grey x(2) $400.00

5.Native Instruments Traktor Kontrol S2 $500.00 (DJ Work)

6.Peavey Escort 3000 $650.00 (DJ Work)

7. Yamaha HS10W $400.00

8. AKG K 701 $350.00

9.Behringer MicroAMP HA400 $20.00 (sold my Powerplay about 3 years ago)

10.Steinberg Cubase 6.5 Upgrade (from Cubase 4/5) $200.00

11.GIK acoustics

there is some gear lust for some high-end preamps

my dream studio will also include 10,000 construction/soundproofing for a basement studio similar to this
DIY Basement Studio / mixing room - Gearslutz.com



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What are you going to be using to record with Tone? I know you said you use FL for mainly your production, and I assume Pro Tools for tracking and editing? (I think I read somewhere that you said you were running Pro Tools)

As far as FL goes it runs solid on Windows OS... but honestly Pro Tools is a million and a half times more stable on a Mac. I've asked everyone at my school, all of my professors, and also a lot of hands on experience. Granted PC's can handle Pro Tools also but a lot of times it will crash out of no where... things like that. A friend of mine is running PT 8 on his ancient dinosaur Macbook and it handles it flawlessly ... I'm not 100% sure on my Mac history but I'm pretty sure they were made with graphic design/audio recording in mind? At least that's what I've heard... I'm just now joining the darkside and deciding to go Mac for my studio ...
 
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@Fataltone, just so you know that the NT-1a modded sounds nothing like a U87. The MXL 990 mod on the other hand is amazing sounding for the money. If you really want a U87 on a budget you could get the Bock Audio 195. Only $400 more than the NT-1a modded mic and sounds LIGHTYEARS better and slightly better than the actual U87.

And if I could build a full dream studio it would be:

iMac 27" 3.1GHz
UA Apollo Quad
Vocal Input Channel:
Black Lion Sparrow White
NPNG custom mic pre
UA 1176
UA LA-2A

Guitar and Bass Inputs:
Bo Hansen DI 2 Channels
UA 2108 2 Channel Mic Preamp

Drum Channels:
NPNG 4 Channel Mic preamp
2-1176 dual compressor (Kick, Snare)
ADL S/C/L (overheads)

Multi Buss Mixing/Mastering
1 Tube-Tech CL-2A (Vocal Buss)
API 2500 Compressor (Drum Buss)
SSL G Compressor (Instrument Buss)
EL Distressor Pair (Smoothing Buss)
4 stereo pair summing buss
Chandler EMI TG-2 mic preamp
UBK Clariphonic Eq
Dangerous Buss Liason
Manley Massive Passive mastering eq
Chandler EMI TG12413 Zener


MIc Locker
Royer Ribbon Mics
Blueberry Mic
Bock Audio 195
Bock Audio 251
Audix i5
Audix D6
Neumann KSM 184 Matched Pair
Neumann U47
 
If you are in the range for $1200-1500 for a DAW, you can get:

i7-2500/2600k $220-300
Pro cooler for the CPU $80
16GB of RAM $85
1 x 128 GB SSD - OS and software $99
1 x 128 GB SSD - the sample libraries/streaming $99
1 x 1TB 7200RPM HD - recording/sessions $80
1 x 1TB 7200RPM HD - back up/library storage $80
Asus mainboard $200
Nvidia dual-output GFX card $150
Sufficient power supply $80
Big tower with silent fans $150
BluRay/DVD-drive $75
+cables

I was a customer since day one and for $500, you get A LOT in the Kompakt 8 Bundle. It's really worth the price, considering that by having Kontakt, Massive, FM8 and Absynth you have all possible bases covered.
 
Imo, spend 1500 bils for a PC or a Mac it's not necessary, save money with a cheapest PC. You're working with FL Studio not Solidworks
 
Fataltone! I would suggest you invest in a good pair of headphones... KRK KNS 8400s (I use these personally) or DT770 BEYERDYNAMICS... (the famous Scarecrow Beats highly recommend using those). They're pretty good quality, gives you honest sounds and saves money on doing acoustic treatment.

You can try adding those to your budget.. They both cost less than $250 and if you know how to find them at good prices, you can get at least one of these headphones for <$165
 
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Imo, spend 1500 bils for a PC or a Mac it's not necessary, save money with a cheapest PC. You're working with FL Studio not Solidworks

actually I have deep track counts when I start mixing for hire and tracking artist again you don't want bottle necks
I produce in FL Studio/Acid Pro
I track and mix in Cubase 4 soon to be upgrading to 6

and some of the plug-ins I use are CPU hogs

I don't need to go cheap on my Custom PC


Fataltone! I would suggest you invest in a good pair of headphones... KRK KNS 8400s (I use these personally) or DT770 BEYERDYNAMICS... (the famous Scarecrow Beats highly recommend using those). They're pretty good quality, gives you honest sounds and saves money on doing acoustic treatment.

You can try adding those to your budget.. They both cost less than $250 and if you know how to find them at good prices, you can get at least one of these headphones for <$165


Actually I'm getting these headphones on my list
click the Sweetwater link in the last list I made to see all the gear because I didn't want to list everything

but these are them
AKG K 701 $350.00 open-back

the DT770 BEYERDYNAMICS are closed-back headphones good for tracking because they allow less bleed into vocal while tracking

you want to use open-back headphones for mix referencing

see guys I'm not trying to get pro-consumer gear
I have done that already
I'm doing serious upgrades here that will take me far
going with boutique mics not $200 mics

not going with control surface
going with a
$4,500 mixing desk system
wow factor for clients but also gear that actually has great purpose and the allows for the workflow I'm looking for



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@Fataltone, just a warning about DT770's. They are not loud enough for tracking IMO. They are great for the engineer to wear durning recording, especially when you don't have a soundproof booth. They are great for critical listening. And NEVER buy headphones with the idea that you can do anything mix related with them.

Spend the money wisely. Although DT770's are highly loved and great headphones they are not the SMARTEST purchase. They break easily, and they blow easily. Think about studio conditions. They will get lots of wear and tear. If you need critical listening headphones and already have headphones for other main purposes they are a great buy if you have an extra $200 burning a hole in your pocket. But your money is better spent elsewhere.

Think about it this way. For $200 you can get EX29's (probably the best isolation headphones ever for vocal recording) and Shure SRH440 or Grado SR80's for critical listening.

Other great booth headphones are HD280's but they get extremely hot and get sweaty after a long session, and they have a telephone type cord which can get annoying. But I'm telling you right now you are going to get annoyed with how quiet the DT770's are, especially when you use a splitter and you adjust the volume for the booth.

Also I beg you to reconsider building a custom pc over an iMac. It is easy to build a higher performance machine for the same money or less, BUT it is IMPOSSIBLE to build a higher quality computer for the double the money. A screen that amazing would cost you over $500 by itself. You get i5 quad core, 4GB of ram, 500GB HD, Aluminum Keyboard ($70), Magic Mouse ($70), HD Facetime camera ($100), and thunderbolt ports. That leaves about $350 for a motherboard with thunderbolt, i5 quad, harddrive, videocard (512mb DDR5), RAM, power supply, and a case.

Use bootcamp and you have an amazing looking pc.
 
@Fataltone, just a warning about DT770's. They are not loud enough for tracking IMO. They are great for the engineer to wear durning recording, especially when you don't have a soundproof booth. They are great for critical listening. And NEVER buy headphones with the idea that you can do anything mix related with them.

Spend the money wisely. Although DT770's are highly loved and great headphones they are not the SMARTEST purchase. They break easily, and they blow easily. Think about studio conditions. They will get lots of wear and tear. If you need critical listening headphones and already have headphones for other main purposes they are a great buy if you have an extra $200 burning a hole in your pocket. But your money is better spent elsewhere.

Think about it this way. For $200 you can get EX29's (probably the best isolation headphones ever for vocal recording) and Shure SRH440 or Grado SR80's for critical listening.

Other great booth headphones are HD280's but they get extremely hot and get sweaty after a long session, and they have a telephone type cord which can get annoying. But I'm telling you right now you are going to get annoyed with how quiet the DT770's are, especially when you use a splitter and you adjust the volume for the booth.

Also I beg you to reconsider building a custom pc over an iMac. It is easy to build a higher performance machine for the same money or less, BUT it is IMPOSSIBLE to build a higher quality computer for the double the money. A screen that amazing would cost you over $500 by itself. You get i5 quad core, 4GB of ram, 500GB HD, Aluminum Keyboard ($70), Magic Mouse ($70), HD Facetime camera ($100), and thunderbolt ports. That leaves about $350 for a motherboard with thunderbolt, i5 quad, harddrive, videocard (512mb DDR5), RAM, power supply, and a case.

Use bootcamp and you have an amazing looking pc.

I never planned on getting the DT770's but before I had a Beringer powerplay headphone amp...I buy a similar headphone amp from Beringer
so I should have much problem from quiet headphones even though I'm not getting the DT770's

I will considered the iMac but I don't want to get locked in with Apple only products later on....
and Bootcamp how stable is that company?? will it go belly-up and then I don't have the support I need to continue with newer Windows OS later down the road
I see you're using a Macbook Pro i7 what was the cost on that if you don't mind telling???

and if I'm going to go with only 4gig of RAM I can go ahead and use the laptop I'm using now which has 4gigs of RAM
I'm shooting for at least 8gigs of RAM

the AKG K 701 are my headphones of choice

thanks for continuing to come to the thread and supply opinions from first hand knowledge



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Bootcamp how stable is that company?? will it go belly-up and then I don't have the support I need to continue with newer Windows OS later down the road
I see you're using a Macbook Pro i7 what was the cost on that if you don't mind telling???

and if I'm going to go with only 4gig of RAM I can go ahead and use the laptop I'm using now which has 4gigs of RAM
I'm shooting for at least 8gigs of RAM

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Bootcamp is Apple support for Windows so I think they will be around for a while. That's what my whole point is. Bootcamp is very stable and supported from Apple. It runs flawless.

I started out with an early 2011 13" MBP with an i5 that I bought on sale brand new for $999. I traded that and a HDTV for the 15" i7. So I ended up paying about $1,500. Worth every penny. I have Windows 7 and OSX 10.7.4 and they both run beautifully. I run PT10 with about 16 channels with about 5 RTAS on each channel including analog emulation and reverb and mastering limiter without a soundcard with no problems. I can also do the same with Windows using ASIO4ALL.

Also you can upgrade the iMac to 8gb of ram without a problem and you can do the same with the MBP.

In case you don't know my stance on laptops here it is:

They are-
1) Easy to steal
2) Easy to damage
3) Take up desk space especially with cables plugged in.
4) Not portable once you add other studio gear like midi keyboard, rack pieces and studio monitors.
5) Not as powerful processing when you spend the same money on a desktop.

The only reason I choose a MBP over an iMac was because I was traveling to NYC and it was cheaper on sale. I bought the cheapest mac I could and it was on sale from the normal $1,200 to $1,000. I will never go back to pc unless I need to spend less than $800. I'm about to build my brother a cheap gaming machine for about $600. i5 Quad, SSD Agility 4 120GB, 8GB DDR3, Asus MB Z77, ATI 1GB GDDR5, ect. But that's without a screen, keyboard, mouse, and case which I have extra already.
 
I own the Q701s they are Awesome cans!

and i see the apple debate is still going strong :4theloveofgod:

From an owner of an Imac and 3 $1000 + PCs windows gets things done just as good... I would only go to mac for Apogee products other than that i don't see a real reason personally but "pick your poison" i suppose
 
Also I beg you to reconsider building a custom pc over an iMac. It is easy to build a higher performance machine for the same money or less, BUT it is IMPOSSIBLE to build a higher quality computer for the double the money. A screen that amazing would cost you over $500 by itself. You get i5 quad core, 4GB of ram, 500GB HD, Aluminum Keyboard ($70), Magic Mouse ($70), HD Facetime camera ($100), and thunderbolt ports. That leaves about $350 for a motherboard with thunderbolt, i5 quad, harddrive, videocard (512mb DDR5), RAM, power supply, and a case.

Sorry, but this is nonsense. Please be rational when making absolute statements.

The Mac hardware is built at the same facility, by the same people who build Dell and HP computers. It is using the same off-the-shelf parts all of the other brands are using.

The only difference is the case.

Only the iPhones use limited (but not exclusive) and pre-selected hardware parts for production (so they are getting limited amounts of preselected "working" hardware and when it works they order the "big stock").

The 4GB of RAM used in the iMac costs $25 (8GB cost $45) and the 500GB HD costs $45-50 dollars (a 1TB costs $80-90). The motherboard is a $125 one. The graphics card used is $120. The processor is $200. A Razer Copperhead with their (bought as accessory) mouse pad is lightyears ahead of anything Apple ever sold (and much more suitable for long editing sessions) and a keyboard, well, pick your pick. Power in that case is $50 dollars. Do the math.

And when you work with Kontakt (which Fataltone is planning to do), even 8GB of RAM will be barely enough (throw in some other VSTis and effects, save your HD lifetime by running the WAVs in the track in RAM, the DAW and the OS itself) and recording/streaming from/storage/system HD on a 500GB or even 1 or 2TB 7200rpm? No sir, that's absolutely not enough. Not that you can't run sessions on that, but you don't want to bottleneck (especially when it comes to mixing a lot of tracks/streaming libraries (see Kontakt)/using timebased effects/pre-rendering of FX (which most DAWs these days are doing)).

This comes from someone who owns and runs a multi-room recording facility, which up 'til last year was running Macs (I think we had 8 Pro Tools HD stations and a couple of iMacs in the office/lounge). Never again. They got worse and worse over time.

So I'm not speaking from the standpoint of someone who had a great machine, or had a mix of bad and good ones, they got worse and worse over time. My father owned a printing house in the 90s. All run on Macs. Back then extremely expensive, but perfectly built machines. I have a 2000 G4 450MHz MP in my garage that I could still fire up and it works perfectly. I just don't trust Apple anymore.

Don't get me wrong. Beautifully designed cases, awesome marketing, decently running OS, but it's simply not worth it anymore.

Btw, in case you buy a Mac/"brand" PC, you get a guarantee for a set amount of time. You can extend it for a hefty price. But what most don't know is that when you buy parts and put the computer together, then the guarantee of the INDIVIDUAL parts counts. And in most cases the guarantee is 3-5, 10 years and for some parts even an indefinite one. If you pay $75 to a computer company for putting the machine together for you, then they ALSO have to give you a guarantee on the machine working. So you are basically losing guarantee service time when buying from a "brand".

Just my 2c
 
You are greatly misinformed. Apple hardware is made Foxconn and is made specifically for Apple computers. They do not use off the shelf parts. You are highly misinformed. How can you even say that when there are only 2 motherboards on the market that currently support thunderbolt? Each which cost over $300.

Wait, this is pointless. I just realized you have no clue what your are talking about. You do not need more than 8gb of ram to run Komplete. I run Komplete on my MBP with 4 GB and have zero latency or click and pops with my CPU not even barley being used.

I have looked up part for part to build a Mac Pro and it easily cost over $6k. Again, you have no clue what you are talking about. What about the screen? The Apple 24" cinema display is $550.

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I'll tell you what. Go to a website and put the parts in your cart and prove it. Show me what part you are talking about.

The reason I know you are so full of crap is that Apple LOGICboards (not motherboards) use entirely different assembly code. They don't use BIOS. The boards are made completely different to function like this. You have to emulate this in order to run OSX on a windows pc. The closest you can get is LGA1155 sockets with Z77 northbridge and ICH10 southbridge. Then you need the thunderbolt controller and built in ATI Radeon 6750M video card. You really think you can get that for $125? You have lost your mind.
 
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