THM
New member
Hey thanks dude !! 
Samplecraze
Zukan
Sure THM, but you can get a front end s/ware for it. Acts as the whole module interface, like the main mixer on computer.
The DDX is the 3216.
Like I said, some ppl, me being in that category ,hate Behringer but that mixer is an exception and apart from the very good reviews, a lot of studios(semi-pro) in the UK house them.
Personally, for the money, the DM24 is excellent but if it's effect and dynamics you are after and it has to be on a mixer(as opposed to a virtual domain) and has to be 4 efx per channel then the 01V96 is the one. If you're after better quality convertors and more pres then the DM 24. The only thing some ppl are not too funky with is that the DM is bigger and heavier than the 01V96 and therefore needs more room, personally I like big solid mixers(makes me feel I 've got something for my money).
The DDx packs a real punch but the name might keep peering at you and your cred might take a knock but the mixer is top quality for the money.
My taste and my taste alone, I would eat up the DM24 without blinking.
The DDX is the 3216.
Like I said, some ppl, me being in that category ,hate Behringer but that mixer is an exception and apart from the very good reviews, a lot of studios(semi-pro) in the UK house them.
Personally, for the money, the DM24 is excellent but if it's effect and dynamics you are after and it has to be on a mixer(as opposed to a virtual domain) and has to be 4 efx per channel then the 01V96 is the one. If you're after better quality convertors and more pres then the DM 24. The only thing some ppl are not too funky with is that the DM is bigger and heavier than the 01V96 and therefore needs more room, personally I like big solid mixers(makes me feel I 've got something for my money).
The DDx packs a real punch but the name might keep peering at you and your cred might take a knock but the mixer is top quality for the money.
My taste and my taste alone, I would eat up the DM24 without blinking.
THM
New member
Back to the Yamaha route...
Is there any chance I can find a 2nd hand O1V96 or DM-1000 already ? Or is it too early ?
I checked Ebay last 10 days and there were no 2nd hand Yamaha Oxx96 or DM-1000 mixers for sale.
I only read reviews of the DM-1000, but it seems to be a powerful HQ machine. Somebody has experience with DM-1000 and Oxx96 ? (and yes I saw the comparison review on the Yamaha website already)
Is there any chance I can find a 2nd hand O1V96 or DM-1000 already ? Or is it too early ?
I checked Ebay last 10 days and there were no 2nd hand Yamaha Oxx96 or DM-1000 mixers for sale.
I only read reviews of the DM-1000, but it seems to be a powerful HQ machine. Somebody has experience with DM-1000 and Oxx96 ? (and yes I saw the comparison review on the Yamaha website already)
Carnage
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Samplecraze
Zukan
A bit early yet pal.
A few things to bear in mind tho'.
The 1000 comes with meter bridge(free) and is $4000 less than the 02R96.
It has 17 faders instead of the 25 on the 02R96. The mic pres are better( similar to the Mackie VLZ Pro range) than the 01V96, as are the efx (SPX2000 engine), similar to TC and mid range Lexicon efx. But is still suffers from the 4 omni ins as opposed to send/returns.
It is superior in every way to the 01V96 but the price reflects that BUT is 4 gees less than the 02R96 so it has to be calculated against something in a similar price bracket.
It it way too early for them to appear second hand unless you are very lucky, as we are still waiting for a detailed review on the 1000.
A few things to bear in mind tho'.
The 1000 comes with meter bridge(free) and is $4000 less than the 02R96.
It has 17 faders instead of the 25 on the 02R96. The mic pres are better( similar to the Mackie VLZ Pro range) than the 01V96, as are the efx (SPX2000 engine), similar to TC and mid range Lexicon efx. But is still suffers from the 4 omni ins as opposed to send/returns.
It is superior in every way to the 01V96 but the price reflects that BUT is 4 gees less than the 02R96 so it has to be calculated against something in a similar price bracket.
It it way too early for them to appear second hand unless you are very lucky, as we are still waiting for a detailed review on the 1000.
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denheer
New member
I just stumbled on this forum while roaming the net.
After a long period of testing we decided to take the DM-24 over the 01V96.
Here are some comparisons we made:
DM-24 strengths:
-better converters
-Better control interface (not display interface!)
01V96 strengths:
-More controlable EQ, in the DM-24 Hi and Low EQ have no Q setting.
-Better display interface.
-channel 17-32 have gates.
-Cheaper.
-4FX instead of 2, also better sounding.
-Routing setup is godlike compared to the DM-24 (think very good about this one before buying a DM-24!)
So even though the Yamaha got lots of good stuuf we just went for the better control interface and converters. Those two were highly important to us.
btw. in the given link to another forum someone states the DM-24 only had 24 channels. With the new software you got 32 channels, 6 aux and 8 busses.
Another sidenote: The DDX is a very good mixdr for it's price. One important drawback is maintenance. Someone who workes in a musicshop once told me they regulairly had to repair them.
Hope this helps you a little.
After a long period of testing we decided to take the DM-24 over the 01V96.
Here are some comparisons we made:
DM-24 strengths:
-better converters
-Better control interface (not display interface!)
01V96 strengths:
-More controlable EQ, in the DM-24 Hi and Low EQ have no Q setting.
-Better display interface.
-channel 17-32 have gates.
-Cheaper.
-4FX instead of 2, also better sounding.
-Routing setup is godlike compared to the DM-24 (think very good about this one before buying a DM-24!)
So even though the Yamaha got lots of good stuuf we just went for the better control interface and converters. Those two were highly important to us.
btw. in the given link to another forum someone states the DM-24 only had 24 channels. With the new software you got 32 channels, 6 aux and 8 busses.
Another sidenote: The DDX is a very good mixdr for it's price. One important drawback is maintenance. Someone who workes in a musicshop once told me they regulairly had to repair them.
Hope this helps you a little.
THM
New member
Thanks alot !!
I'm back on the analog route - but I did nothing decide yet (as you could see in other threads)...
I'm back on the analog route - but I did nothing decide yet (as you could see in other threads)...
mano 1
Founder
Thanks for the great post about the strengths of both! 
Can you explain a bit more what is not convenient routing-wise on the DM-24?
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The 01V96 cheaper than the DM-24?
I have seen the DM several times between 1,300 and 1,700 (US$) - granted it is "used" but these are pretty recent and mint anyways
That's almost $1000 cheaper than the 01V96... it's pretty considerable if you are on a budget and still want a great mixer
Can you explain a bit more what is not convenient routing-wise on the DM-24?
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The 01V96 cheaper than the DM-24?
I have seen the DM several times between 1,300 and 1,700 (US$) - granted it is "used" but these are pretty recent and mint anyways
That's almost $1000 cheaper than the 01V96... it's pretty considerable if you are on a budget and still want a great mixer
J
josu
New member
Have you considered the Roland VS-2480 mixer?? I have heard great comments about it and I think that it is about $2000(second hand). Do you know it?
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THM
New member
Are you talking about the big Roland harddisk recorder ?
J
josu
New member
Yes, the same. I do not know, maybe it is not exactly you are looking for...
J
josu
New member
Sorry, when I said $2000, I was refering to the first version of the VS2480(with no cd burning onboard). The CD and DVD burning onboard versions of the VS2480 are more expensive but as you know it is basically the same machine. I would like to know your opinion about it... Would you consider it?
Thanks!
Thanks!
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EL_HOlandes
Guest
you can work much cheaper doing the midi controller way.
buy:
1 labtop
2 2 midi controllers from evolution./maduio; UC 33 for example giginv you 16 faders and 32 knobs
3 a good USB/firewire audiobox/soundcard
then you are in the game.
buy:
1 labtop
2 2 midi controllers from evolution./maduio; UC 33 for example giginv you 16 faders and 32 knobs
3 a good USB/firewire audiobox/soundcard
then you are in the game.
mano 1
Founder
EL_HOlandes said:
I'm sure both THM and others know that there are cheaper ways to get in the game but I dont think that was the goal here... A mixing desk or digital mixer such as the yamaha or Tascam still make sense in a studio.
Samplecraze
Zukan
THM, I feel for you here pal. The confusion of getting the right mixer for your setup and it being a decent enough cash outlay, you need to make sure you get the right mixer. We caned to death the Dm and the Yammy and the Behringer and now you want to go the analogue route and you based that decision based on what? Because as I recall you dismissed the Dm because you wanted the efx of the Yammy but an analogue mixer will then need outboard in terms of efx and dynamics and you will need to cost that into the final price of a mixer, which once you add up, will be dearer than the O1V96 or the DM. So, I feel the best way to answer this question, as I know you have been struggling with it for a while now, is for you to explain exactly what routing you are after and what kitlist is being patched in and a ceiling to the budget.
There are so many mixers at the 2500 buck range that can all do the job but ppl decide on a mixer for a number of reasons: build, eqs, subs, s/nr, headroom, noise floor,size and length of faders(trust me on this one), how many auxes, inserts on every channel or only on the sub and main outs,ergonomic layout, meter bridge, character etc...So exactly what would you like to see in the analogue mixer that would suit your requirements?
I ask this because mixers are very personal items and usually one of the big costs in any studio so it has to fit the bill. I have known studios to house Mackies simply because they record a lot of live projects and the pres and s/nr are more important that any other factor,they then couple these with an external strip for their eqs like the Manley Passive, whereas I have known studios to buy Soundcrafts because the eqs are crucial and they do not perform so many live takes so sonic manipulation is more important, I have also known smaller or project studios to buy the more budget makes because they are more interested in loads of ins/outs and end up using the dynamics/efx in a virtual domain by hooking the sub outs to the multiple ins of their s/card, which they spend more money on so they can have a better quality of A/D,D/A. There are so many configurations that it really comes down to the way you work. So if you could part with a little more info then the task of recommending a mixer for you becomes easier.
There are so many mixers at the 2500 buck range that can all do the job but ppl decide on a mixer for a number of reasons: build, eqs, subs, s/nr, headroom, noise floor,size and length of faders(trust me on this one), how many auxes, inserts on every channel or only on the sub and main outs,ergonomic layout, meter bridge, character etc...So exactly what would you like to see in the analogue mixer that would suit your requirements?
I ask this because mixers are very personal items and usually one of the big costs in any studio so it has to fit the bill. I have known studios to house Mackies simply because they record a lot of live projects and the pres and s/nr are more important that any other factor,they then couple these with an external strip for their eqs like the Manley Passive, whereas I have known studios to buy Soundcrafts because the eqs are crucial and they do not perform so many live takes so sonic manipulation is more important, I have also known smaller or project studios to buy the more budget makes because they are more interested in loads of ins/outs and end up using the dynamics/efx in a virtual domain by hooking the sub outs to the multiple ins of their s/card, which they spend more money on so they can have a better quality of A/D,D/A. There are so many configurations that it really comes down to the way you work. So if you could part with a little more info then the task of recommending a mixer for you becomes easier.
THM
New member
Samplecraze said:
Thanks for your reply !! Indeed you're right I'm so full of doubt...
Right now I'm checking the Soundtracs TOPAZ Project 8 32ch :
build: solid
EQ: great EQ, "British" style, 2 full parametric mids, and low and high
subs: 8
headroom: (very) large
noise floor: acceptable
faders: 100mm (very good)
aux: 8
inserts on every channel: yes
ergonomic layout: good
meter bridge: yes
other great features: 2 pair of monitors outputs, mute automation
I own a cheap Behringer Virtualizer Pro (multi-fx module) but also a HQ TC Electronic FireworX multi-fx module, and I was going to buy a 2nd hand Finalizer when taking the analog mixer route, or at least a decent compressor... So I think my outboard gear is pretty acceptable.
What do you think ?
(see also this thread: https://www.futureproducers.com/forums/showthread/threadid/57615 )
Samplecraze
Zukan
I think that the few things that you could do to maximise your setup would be to :
Keep the Fireworx, gorgeous and unique but not to be used for global reverbs or vocal reverbs whereby transparency is crucial. Maybe get a dedicated reverb for that , Lex Pcm 80/81/90/91 or a TC 3000/5000 (bucks tho')
The Finaliser is not too bad but is meant as a mastering solution in one box. Personally I would opt for the TC Powercore or Uad1 to process the material in a virtual domain. This gives more flexability and better dynamic control.
I think if I was in your shoes I would keep the Fireworx, get the Powercore or Uad1 and instead of the Finaliser, get a decent reverb unit to run across the auxes of the mixer.
What s/card are you using? Because you could have all the subouts(groups) assigned to the ins of the s/card and that gives you very cool control and masses of routing options.
Keep the Fireworx, gorgeous and unique but not to be used for global reverbs or vocal reverbs whereby transparency is crucial. Maybe get a dedicated reverb for that , Lex Pcm 80/81/90/91 or a TC 3000/5000 (bucks tho')
The Finaliser is not too bad but is meant as a mastering solution in one box. Personally I would opt for the TC Powercore or Uad1 to process the material in a virtual domain. This gives more flexability and better dynamic control.
I think if I was in your shoes I would keep the Fireworx, get the Powercore or Uad1 and instead of the Finaliser, get a decent reverb unit to run across the auxes of the mixer.
What s/card are you using? Because you could have all the subouts(groups) assigned to the ins of the s/card and that gives you very cool control and masses of routing options.
THM
New member
I know... the TCE M3000 or M5000 are on my dreamlist.Samplecraze said:
And I'd better check out the TC Powercore as I heard so many good things about it.
Samplecraze said:
My current soundcard is an EGO-SYS WaMi Rack/24 (24-bit/96kHz ; 4ins/8outs - unfortunately no 8 ins) - a serious soundcard 'though not a MOTU or Creamware card yet - I know.