Why Hate Lex Luger ?

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Those producers you mentioned are known for helping build a song
The most interaction I've heard bout Lex is make a beat, pass the blunt, nod his head, and go to the other room and play xbox
I ain't mad at him tho I think he's a beast
But until I see that he's actually had some true input and given advice to a track I'm not convinced

And that drumma boy track is not influenced by Lex
That's pretty much Drumma Boy on it
BMF melody aint original enough to be claimed as Lex's doing
Nothing else sounds like Lex

Still not sayin I dislike Lex
 
YungLotto540 said:
Those producers you mentioned are known for helping build a song
The most interaction I've heard bout Lex is make a beat, pass the blunt, nod his head, and go to the other room and play xbox
I ain't mad at him tho I think he's a beast
But until I see that he's actually had some true input and given advice to a track I'm not convinced

And that drumma boy track is not influenced by Lex
That's pretty much Drumma Boy on it
BMF melody aint original enough to be claimed as Lex's doing
Nothing else sounds like Lex

Still not sayin I dislike Lex
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exactly bmf just some brass chords u want that listen to trap or die... drumma brought his own sound with the 808 sub stayin constant with small kicks just like zay did with the square and his own signature 808.... just like redd brought that crazy ass chant sound u hear in damn near any trap beat coupled with his earth quaking signature 808's just like toomp did with how he used the ride cymbals in all tracks.... people tried to say lex made the chant from bmf but even that shit was used previously and he uses a zaytoven snare and vybe 808...
 
Now you givin others too much credit to discredit Lex. Since when are 808 kits, square subs and chants "signature" to a specific producer? Especially in southern hip hopIf you had said Lil Jon, I may have gave partial credit, lol. :cheers:

All you guys are doing is evading the fact that Lex has a dominant influence on the sound of hip hop right now. i haven't once commented on what he does to acheive his sound or even if it's a good sound in my opinion, all I've stated was obvious fact.

And if you think Drumma been making beats that sound as "bmf" as that "I'm on Worldstar" one, you need a history lesson. To add my opinion, I'm disappointed Drumma feels like his own unorthodox styles need to be put aside to stay relevant. Especially when Lex originally stole his sweep he obviously purposely left out that beat to keep it from sounding more like Lex, lol.

Next you gonna tell me everyone ain't trying to rap like Lil Wayne...they trying to rap like Gillie since that was a big influence on Wayne's style? Or, everyone ain't trying to sing like t-Pain, they're all copying Roger Troutman? Again, no idea's original but respect who is currently bringing it to the table and dominating.
 
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I was about to keep readin after the first page then noticed...this thread's almost or just about a year old
 
I never commented on how Lex achieves his sound
Like I said there's nothing wrong with that...I like his beats
Trap as of now is basically doing the same thing just better than the next man

But you're slightly mistaken
Trap don't sound like Lex, Lex sound like trap
The chord progression in BMF has been used by lots of producers between Shawty Redd first doin it in Trap or Die and Lex in BMF...shit I have a few
I am 100% sure Drumma Boy has beats either in his library or his produced tracks from that time period with that same progression
Sure Lex has influence but mainly on up and coming guys
Big boy producers don't really bite Lex's individual style because once again trap don't sound like Lex, Lex sound like trap

And none of this changes the fact that I haven't heard of him having some involvement in a track besides makin a beat and rolling the blunt
Not that I wouldn't be happy in his place (happy but not satisfied)
 
^^^Now you're dodging the logic in what I said while ultimately saying the same thing I'm saying. Reread the last paragraph of my last post.

No one's asking for "Who Dat" they want another "BMF" or "Hustle Hard". Music reflects as such because if not the current state of hip hop would've occured back when "who dat" was out.

Big Boy producers absolutely byte styles that they once dabbled in. Storch "helped(and I use the word lightly)" make Dre's sound only to byte it when his own "southern keyboardy" style wasn't requested. Cool and Dre have made a career out of providing popular sounds while having their own.

All I'm saying is EVERYTHING THAT SOUNDS LIKE BMF that is out right now is due to the success of BMF. The entire Maybach Music, Gucci, Ross, Wayne, Wacka, Ace Hood, and Jay/Kanye have all had recent hit records produced by or influenced by the sound LEX made popular to a current consumer audience.

To take away from him, we may as well take away from everyone who's ever used 4/4 counts or everyone who ever used a bassline in a song and find the originators of that and give them ALL the credit.

There will always be someone who influenced whoever's current. No Toomp without Jermaine Dupri, so should he get all the credit for this sound? That's not how it works.
 
I agree with everything Deranged is sayin..
But I think Lotto has a point sayin he's a 'SuperBeatmaker' rather than a 'SuperProducer'..
I doubt he has much say in the direction or even the mix of the tracks he makes the beats for.. He just makes the beat!
I'm a big fan of his though.. You can tell he works hard
 
"Beatmaker" is not a definitive term. It's slang and nothing more. A producer's job is defined in the title he's given in the credits. "Just making the beat" makes you a hip hop producer...FACT. Doing more makes you an arranger, mixing engineer, vocal engineer, co-writer, ect. That's why those titles exsist. And being that none of us have set thru ALL his sessions, none of us knows what he brings. I've sat thru enough sessions for folk FP do call "producers" to know you guys would be disappointed by how little others do in some sessions(you think Dre or Timbo even show up to smoke a blunt 90% of the time? Keep dreaming). So again, I'll say to take the title from a guy like Lex, you'd have to take it from tons of others as well.
 
deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup said:
All I'm saying is EVERYTHING THAT SOUNDS LIKE BMF that is out right now is due to the success of BMF.
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That logic is a lil ehhhhhh....
Lex didn't change anything, he didn't bring anything new, he just got a trap beat placed
Sure BMF opened the floodgates to all the other guys that made the same beat but that credit isn't to Lex, that's to Rock Ross for makin a hit
Lil Wayne and Gillie sound nothing alike, neither do TPain and Roger Troutman
Lex Luger and Shawty Redd on the other hand are way more comparable
Truly, no more producers are using that brass pattern now than there were after Shawty Redd made it famous

I'm not takin anything away from Lex I'm just not so eager to put him on a trap pedestal like a lot of y'all
 
Gillie gave Wayne his current sound. Gillie wrote on the Carter where the change in Wayne's style was obvious. Wayne in the past admitted to getting alot of influence from Gillie, not so much anymore since they strated beefing. He even used to strut like Gillie and wear hand me down MF Chains.

T-Pain has personally said and never hid that his style was influenced by Roger Troutman and his lack of a talkbox synth led him to use a tuning plug.

How are these not the same things. I'm sure more fans(not producers who think they have a degree in trap, but actual consumers)are aware of t-Pains influences from Troutman. Real fans/consumers will more than likely not know of any similarities whatsoever between BMF and anything Shawty Redd, Toomp, or Drumma did prior to it. But they do see the similarities between BMF, 2Pac's back, Hustle Hard, H.A.M., If i Die Today, Hard in the paint, ect.

If you can't agree with that, I'm sure you can find me a good deal on real estate under a rock. Why don't we argue that Fatboi, Shawty, whoever invented this shyt? Doesn't change the fact Lex(and yeah, Ross, even moreso than Waka)made it the current sound of hip hop. And Lex capitalized on the distinct things that make it a "sound" while all these others dabbled in it while doing other things as well. Therefore, consumers place the sound with Lex/Waka/Gucci/Ross before anyone else.
 
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Any real trap fan knows Lex didn't create, bring back, or change trap sound
That trap sound was growing and growing and Lex happened to be the one that landed the placement that made it big...nothing more nothing less

And trying to argue about fans knowing about producers compared with knowing about artists is just unfair
Duhh...of course the general fan is gonna know more about the person that actually shows up on TV

But you're tryna make it seem like Lex came in as a one man army makin trap something different from what it was
All I'm sayin is he didn't so anything special in terms of something new
But he's still doin his job
 
^^^U keep putting words in my mouth.

If I say artists like Jay-Z, Wayne, and Eminem made hip hop big, I'm in no way saying they "invented it". I will however give them credit for doing what they did to make it as big as they made it. And they do become the measuring stick for other artists whether that artist(Common for example in comparison to Kanye)was doing the "same thing" before the one at the forefront or not.

Columbus went down in history for "discovering a country" he never stepped foot on that was already inhabited by Natives, doesn't change the fact he brought the attention of it to the world and is the one creditted with the find. Deservingly depending on how you look at it.

Apply that same mentality to everything I said about Lex. And yeah, those who dabbled in "Lex's style" before him now "byte his style" when everything they do now sounds like BMF and that 1 album filler they did 5 years ago. Why, because lex made the sound CONSISTANT IN MAINSTREAM HIP HOP.

Kanye West did nothing "New" with sped up sampled beats" but he damn sure made them the demand in hip hop production. He overshadowed his peers(cool N Dre, Just Blaze, heatmakers, ect)while making his predecessors a forgotten memory. I've said the same of Kanye molding a sound for an era of hip hop that I say for Lex now. Nobody wanted "motherless child" beats in Kanye's hay day like no one wants "who dat" or "washing Powder" now. They want BMF and songs influenced by BMF(2Pac's back, Hustle hard, ect). Because of Lex, entire albums are done with a sound that was once album filler on a few forgotten albums.
 
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Youre putting him on a pedestal

I give Lex plenty of credit
I clearly said trap as of now is just doing the same thing better than the next man and he is
Yes he made trap big but he didn't make trap into what it is today
Jay Z, Wayne, and Em not only made it big but literally changed it to what it is today
Lex Luger was the guy that got the placement (in a industry full of producers doing the same style) that made that style big
Yes he is the number 1 in demand now
But don't think that there weren't ppl right beside him doing the same thing

It would be like if Columbus and 100 other explorers all discovered a new country at once
But only Columbus was hired by the queen (lol Rick Ross) so the rest didn't get any acknowledgement
That's all I'm sayin
 
So you're saying there weren't others who were just as deserving(if not more) of the spots Wayne, Jay, and Em have? What did they do that "was never done"? We got a No Limit rip off who ran with Philly swag and made it his own, Biggie and Jaz-Os hype man/dyk rider who only strived to be Nas for the 1st half his career, and a lyricist who did shock rap...but wait, he was white, so more people paid attention. 50 Cent brought more to the game and had a bigger influence than these guys, and he's the most generic rapper out of all if them IMO(don't act like 50 didn't have every rapper hitting the gym, showing off bullet wounds, singing their own hooks after he jacked it from Ja and made it big for anyone to do, and make it where beef had to be part of your promo strategy).

Your lack of comprehesion translates to me "putting Lex on a pedistal", because you downplay him to every other example I give whether T-Pain to Roger Troutman when he indeed wasn't the only guy using voice boxes and tuners(someone doesn't listen to reggae or pop), or Kanye to Common, or Columbus to America, and pick up a history book, there was indeed hundreds of explorers out in search of "the new world", he didn't even go the "furthest".

I'd agree to disagree if you weren't inadvertantly saying 90% of what I am and losing the other 10 in translation thinking I'm saying a guy is something he isn't when I'm factually definitively saying what he is. Again, not once in this discussion have I brought forth an opinion on whether his music was even good, that's even beyond the point of what I'm saying. But since I haven't worded things in a way you're comfortable with, everything I'm saying is lost in translation.
 
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Considering how many hits lex got now the term "super producer" is a fair assessment. Whether or not he is a "record" producer( person that runs sessions, gets the best performance out of artist, ect) is debatable however as far as hip hop is concerned it dosent matter if he is helping an artist come up with a hook to one of his beats or just smokes weed and plays call of duty in the other room while the artist records the song, if he made the beat he is a producer.

Other than having a distinct way of how he programs his snare rolls lex really ain't bring nothing new to trap music. I will say bmf was lex luger's sound even though it was the hook that made that song so big not the beat. I will also say lex is responsible for bring trap beats really into the spot light. Yea people made them before but lex had everyone and their moma making trap beats lol. He is a big influence on up and coming producers and established producers too. Drumma boy been doing trap joints tho. You can hear drumma's influence on lex in how lex sometimes be programming his kick drums.
 
the only producer doin trap beats bringin there own new twist on things id say is honorable c-note not to say hes bringin any crazy new elements but u can tell when its one of his beats right off the jump usually .. well at least i can
 
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