THA_REAPER
What? Killin em!
Lol Walmart variety and traffic with Dollar store prices...jk
Lol Walmart variety and traffic with Dollar store prices...jk
BiggRome 2.0
Can you dig it ?
That's true, lol.
People are going for selling in volume instead of selling one beat for a lot.
If somebody sets their beat price for $100 and somebody else sets theirs for $20... I think the $20 guy will end up with more money over time because more than 5 people will probably lease from him.
It's when ego creeps in and people say "I ain selling nuthin' for $20!" is when they get mad at the guys that are getting the "Walmart Theory" money.
Traxx1
Boss.
Remember the "99cent beats fcuked the game up" thread? Yep, thats the direction its headed in. You already see it in motion on Soundclick and especially MyFlashstore. Take a look @ myflashstore.net - who do you see in the "top producers" section on their homepage????
===> $.99 cent beat producers <===
Although other producers with a larger following will continue to charge (and make) a premium, most will not. Young Producers are slowly driving down the prices to the point where 99 cent beats will be the new standard shortly (think Itunes) and although you will make money selling beats with competitors selling @ $.99... - it will be tough to live off it.
===> $.99 cent beat producers <===
Although other producers with a larger following will continue to charge (and make) a premium, most will not. Young Producers are slowly driving down the prices to the point where 99 cent beats will be the new standard shortly (think Itunes) and although you will make money selling beats with competitors selling @ $.99... - it will be tough to live off it.
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THA_REAPER
What? Killin em!
Yea I agree with that. I remember in one of these threads I was saying ppl are probably making their exclusive sale price faster with a bunch of 1 dollar downloads. Someone tried to come in and say oh you wont make any kind of money. Its possible to make your dollar cake and sell it exclusive instead of just letting it sit and waiting for the lucky day. I believe if you brand yourself and gain a huge following you'll be fine. Me I see why ppl do it, but I still don't go with that movement though.
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Think that was the thread I was talking about.
Actually it was this one. https://www.futureproducers.com/for...e-selling-yourself-short-390896/#post49279839
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BiggRome 2.0
Can you dig it ?
Yes, I agree.
... but the average teen beatmaker doesn't need to make the same amount as a person that has full blown responsibilities.
The average teen just wants Jordans, Modern Warfare Upgrades and movie money.
I think half of them would give out beats for FREE, just to have their names on something so they can show their friends and let them hear songs they made.
That's the messed up part. Some kids with plenty of time on their hands and plenty of time to make beats are in the same market with people that really need them to keep the value in the music they create.
Independent artists haven't dropped their performance prices to $0.99 so they're benefiting off of the bedroom guys beats and if they blow up they'll leave him in the dust. I remember JJ used to be Wiz's go to guy. Didn't Wiz say he was going to make 100 mil or something, what about they guy with the beats that help him blow up?
So on one hand you have a guy who's Mom is a doctor buying him all the gear in the world (or he has cracked gear) and he's on FaceBook showing out for the teen ladies about how he can take 'em out to eat and to the movies. Then on the other hand you have a rapper you want to ride with but he has the pick of the litter from $0.99 beats. The guy that really needs the artists to pay them for the value of their work gets looked at funny with the old "you charge too much" face... and the beat game keeps spinning.
Another bad thing is that there are too many mixtapes... just too many. I can see artists not even putting out commercial releases in the future and just touring off of mixtape cuts and VIRAL youtube vids. Chief Keef can do it right now. Birdman will tour the hell out of Keef.
I guess it's like having a respectable car detail business and you have customers and then there are some kids that bought the same products you use to clean cars standing down the street with a 1/2 price sign and they don't do such a bad job. The word will get around and pretty soon.... there will be kids all over the place with buckets and Armor All.
I hate to sound pessimistic but it's hard to be optimistic when you take a look at what's going on.
I guess people could make up the old fake name account and get right on SoundClick with 'em and make $19.99 beats too.
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fataltone
Holy Lamb Media & Ent.
so you don't think it's a good business move to have your own site as I do now
1.adding myflashstore to my site now
2.getting a Soundclick VIP account
3.getting a simple Soundclick layout like this https://img72.imageshack.us/img72/3177/layout10preview.jpg
to just display my instrumentals on soundclick to take advantage of the built in traffic
with a buy now graphic that redirect customers to my site with myflashstoreplayer
or do you think it's just good to go with just the myflashstore on my site and just using SEO tools,,twitter,and paying for ads on facebook,adsense
I think I'll try the latter first going from the offline to online
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BiggRome 2.0
Can you dig it ?
What you do Tone is you have SoundClick "BAIT".
You have a presence there (SoundClick) with "some" stuff on it and let them know that more is available on your site. You don't have to have a all or nothing approach.
Use all of the approaches. Soundclick site has the traffic, your site will have the more detailed content. Why avoid the traffic? Get in the traffic, steer them to the content.
Throw bows in the traffic, make comments on the forums and everything. Don't just set up a static SC page and twiddle your thumbs.
Get on Soundcloud too, follow some people. Joins some groups.
Why pick one lane... they're mostly the same but you can just block out like 15 minutes a day on different days to "be in the way" on each of them.
You have to holla at the people though. Sometimes that can be a hassle when you get a bunch of messages like "Whut u use?"
I'm just in the way on here... but I get some good perks from it, lol.
$0.02
Get on YouTube too.... name your vids something that will show up if people type in "Drake". Actually, name your vids "New Song By Drake"... you get what I mean.
If you do all of this in one day... you'll burn yourself out.
Monday - SoundClick - 15 minutes in the forum
Tuesday - SoundCloud - 15 minutes of comments on new uploads
Wednesday - YouTube - 15 minutes of comments - with links to your stuff
Thursday - 15 minutes on FP
Friday, Saturday, Sunday - enjoy the weekend
You have a presence there (SoundClick) with "some" stuff on it and let them know that more is available on your site. You don't have to have a all or nothing approach.
Use all of the approaches. Soundclick site has the traffic, your site will have the more detailed content. Why avoid the traffic? Get in the traffic, steer them to the content.
Throw bows in the traffic, make comments on the forums and everything. Don't just set up a static SC page and twiddle your thumbs.
Get on Soundcloud too, follow some people. Joins some groups.
Why pick one lane... they're mostly the same but you can just block out like 15 minutes a day on different days to "be in the way" on each of them.
You have to holla at the people though. Sometimes that can be a hassle when you get a bunch of messages like "Whut u use?"
I'm just in the way on here... but I get some good perks from it, lol.
$0.02
Get on YouTube too.... name your vids something that will show up if people type in "Drake". Actually, name your vids "New Song By Drake"... you get what I mean.
If you do all of this in one day... you'll burn yourself out.
Monday - SoundClick - 15 minutes in the forum
Tuesday - SoundCloud - 15 minutes of comments on new uploads
Wednesday - YouTube - 15 minutes of comments - with links to your stuff
Thursday - 15 minutes on FP
Friday, Saturday, Sunday - enjoy the weekend
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fataltone
Holy Lamb Media & Ent.
that was my main plan from the get go
to me it's not about the actually amount of money I make(I set on $10 leases yes $10 leases) I don't need to live off selling beats
I want to live off of training others to sell
and then signing the three producers I been doing heavy relationship building with along with two writers and develop songs to pitch ton indie level labels,artists
It's all about the amount of sales for me(at this point of my business venture)....I'm trying to find the best ways to sell..to teach my existing client base some techniques
they(my client base) are selling by the marketing and promotion training I have gave them but I think I need to refine my training by actually doing it myself going from online from only doing songs to only doing instrumentals is going to be a great adventure.
right now I'm
1.do interviews
2.in 30 days time start doing music based product reviews pro and amateur lines
3.keep my blogs up to date
4.keep promoting the mix tape of the week
5.keep looking for more ways to monetizing my site
and as I always networking my butt off
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Xabiton
Cupcake God
Buy some ads from google to promote your stuff. Nothing worth doing is easy. Soundclick is here today gone tomorrow money if you are good at it you may sustain a customer base or you may not and you literally no control over your content. If soundclick says I think this beat is sampled they can take it down and u really can't do shit about it because you do not own the site.
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Yep. People want to get as many things for their money as possible in 2012. It isn't as much about quality and it is about quantity because pretty good is good enough in most cases
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I always laugh when I see those things because I remember when people said leasing in general was ruining the game then it was $50 leases then it was $20 leases now its $1 leases. My problem with $1 leases is that cats still want to trip on that $1 and it took too much effort to get in the first place. Beats are a numbers game and unless you are trying to sell solely off automated traffic rather than foot work then you should think about how much you want to make per beat rather than how much the next person who may very well be a random 7th grader with pirated software on his moms pc who doesn't care about anyone but his own profits is doing. The 7th graders selling beats for pop money are ruining the beat game lol
Traxx1
Boss.
You called it.
Look at the progression $50 >>> $20 >>> $1
Plus now they have sites that allow cats to make their own beats......so getcha $$$ while you can fellas. lol
Xabiton
Cupcake God
I think not going the soundclick route is best if one can afford to do so. I actually think its best to just have your beat store built directly into your site and skip myflashstore as well. Just have a built in shop where you take all your payments directly and cut out as many middle men as possible. Granted I am working on updating mine and it will likely have the TuneCore (similar to flashstore) embedded into my site but if TuneCore goes away then I would be screwed until I found a replacement.
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[F_or_DEAF]
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why's that??
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yup...yup...
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VERY TRUE...
it's been like that for a WHILE now...
Xabiton
Cupcake God
more control over your content rather than playing by someone elses rules just design your own player or have it designed or integrated how you feel it should be into your website. If your budget doesn't support that then use something like Flashplayer but when they decide that its time to do away with it or stop updating and supporting it then you have to find a better solution then what? my suggestion just get your own thing going from the start.
BeatMakingVideos
New member
I would just like to add that The Renegades and Kane Beatz started on soundclick and look where they are now ! Soundlick alone doesnt give you success I bet they were networking like crazy to get in. On the other hand you have Superstar O, Vybe, Johnny and I think they just prefer to stay on sc to have a steady income rather then signing some weak contract and waiting for work.
Traxx1
Boss.
Another reason (rarely discussed) is that portable apple products (ipod/ipad/iphone) dont display flash. period. Think about all the cats you know who use themsh*ts.. Time to step your game up and use an HTML5 player for streaming and have it link to your product. This way your music is available on all browsers and platforms...
I have a cool lil setup suggestion if anyones interested...?
Xabiton
Cupcake God
i aint think about that. i was thinking when these sites go belly up like megaupload did and niggas was mad that they lost all they shit. u know how many beats were probably stored there for safe keeping only to come home to see the united states government put a lock on your shit and u paid for the premium service joint on that ***** like 3 days ago and u can't get your money back either lol
fataltone
Holy Lamb Media & Ent.
I'm always interested in more knowledge sir
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Traxx1
Boss.
Oh yea, I had stupid sessions on Megaupload when the site was taken down. Thank god that I have backups. One thing that I thought was fcukd up [about how myflashstore handled the situation] was that they never let their users know that the site [megaupload] was taken down so if you had sessions uploaded on there your customer would obviously not receive what they paid for...smh.. I even posted a thread on their site about it but received no response. Good lookin out.
Regardless I've since moved on from MyFlashstore so its neither here nor their at this point but I feel if you are providing a service [that people are paying for on a monthly basis] you should try and keep your relationships up...
Again if anybody is interested I have some alternatives to get plays up as well as to sell beats without using a flashstore.. Click the like button on this post if you'd like me to share it....
[if this gets a bunch of like I'll make a thread about these methods]
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mwandishi
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^^^ I'd rather click yo avatar. 
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...makes sense...