Why are amateur producers obsessed with selling beats?

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There are so many producers who are just pathetic and limited. some producers just have to be smart, i can tell a lit jon beat a mile away, every song he do sound alike to me. so versatility is the key. i dont use samples i dont make simple songs i am music you have to feel the music. music is not just money and i would do whether i made it or not PERIODEhttp://www.myspace.com/rapitfire
 
Here is my $.02 from someone who has been in radio for the past 8 years, worked with countless numbers of artists, producers, DJ's and promoters.

There are a few schools of thought -

- Until you have a discography of material that can actually be purchased in stores, give your beats up for free, because you do not have much of a leg to stand on to request payment.

- Most indie producers can be had anywhere from $150-$1000 depending on what type of arrangement you make with them. Please realize that most indie artists and indie labels are not dealing with large budgets, and after you start paying more than $250 for a beat it starts to turn the song into a FINANCIAL LOSS. If you pay a fair sum of money for 1 beat on your album from an established indie producer, in 2006, people will just download that track INSTEAD OF BUYING YOUR ALBUM FOR THAT TRACK. This is why I do not think it is sound if you are a new artist to pay too much money for beats.

- I do think that if you have an established producer, part of what you are paying for with that price is for them to mixdown the song. A good mixdown can make a world of difference AND MOST OF YOU AMATEUR PRODUCERS HAVE NO CLUE WHAT YOU ARE DOING WITH MIXDOWNS!

- If you can find people that are willing to pay you $1,000 with no published discography, MORE POWER TO YOU .. can YOU FIND ME THOSE PEOPLE!!

- If I am a producer and I am making beats often, I really don't have any problem selling a beat cheaply ($50 - $100) for a demo unless the artist is awful. I understand that when you get to a certain level of "name recognition" as a producer, you don't want your name attached to every garbage myspace / soundclick demo b/c they threw you a Ben Franklin.

- I will say that the window is open only for so long, and as long as someone is willing to pay you money, take it because you will not always be in demand.

- As a DJ I do also understand the logic that the more that people charge lower prices, your ability to charge a "fair" rate decreases as well! All I can say is STEP YOUR GAME UP and SHOW WHY YOU DESERVE YOUR GOING RATE! If you can prove you have the better mixdowns, you can lay cuts on your tracks, your joints bang harder than others, then you should easily be able to point to your work and be like "do you want it to sound like THIS or sound like ****"?

- If you bought your equipment with the main idea that you were going to get PAID off of this stuff, you MISSED THE BOAT. You are about 10 YEARS TOO LATE. Maybe you'll get your major label shot somewhere but you sure will not see it from the indie side of things. There are almost as many people making this music on the indie side that are consuming (and alot of those who are making it are also the consumers).

- I DJ with two other DJ's who have been making beats for 20 years. What they can do with the machines, cannot be learned in a few months or a year. They know so many tricks coming up from the analog era that you will probably NEVER know, and they were able to combine that knowledge with digital technology to have the best of both worlds. I don't even want to get into beat making because I just feel it will take quite a few years to learn everything that I want to know about making beats and mixing down joints to really be "official" with it.

Kids think that 6 months after learning their MPC / Fruity Loops they are ready to make music that will sound good on vinyl or in ANY type of system. Y'all aren't ... and until you are again .. you have not much of a leg to stand on.
 
i've been at this for a year and i haven't even tried to sell any beats. i am just working on my beats and since i'm young (13) i got time to improve my craft. so i'm waiting a few years before i start really working with mcs but now i'm just making beats and tracks trying to keep mcs in mind. i find it funny that people who are pretty new and are making worse beats then when i started are trying to "sell" beats that are wack and impossible to rap over.

btw djprimetime i agree w/ what u stated above. usually when you sell a beat you shouldn't be charging an indie artist just for a beat. you should send them your mixed version and a DRY tracked out version so they can get it mixed themselves.
 
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DaFunkDocta said:
I agree, sell yourself short and you'll have a short career. What I hope MCs realize that they're buying/hiring someone with some experience in actually producing a song, not just emailing a beat and waiting for the reply with vocals. The money-hungry will almost always outnumber those that have balanced their aims for art and commerce in this business.

The key word in this statement is business. Of course to musicians this is art, but how many musicians are actually even left. Sampling a loop for 4 mintues and chopping vocals is not musicianship. The majority of producers I meet or battle have only an MPC which means they don't hardly touch a piano, bass or any keys. Art was when Smokie Robinson produced "The Way You Do The Things You Do" for the Temptations with all of them sitting around that wurlitzer . Instead of learning the craft ourselves our generations samples what was real music and has the audacity to be amazed by it. I wish we all went back to te basics. A lot of people don't like when I say this, but PRODUCERS should no how to PLAY INSTRUMENTS. I dig electronic art, but we should still know the basics!!!!!! That's just my opinion!
 
An opinion is one thing, but disrespecting cats' choice of methods is another. For every cat that disparages someone who samples, I often find that even with all their knowledge, most of the time they can't do what I do! All this bitchin and dissin', and I'm the more open-minded dude in all these arguments! I take all the slights and condescension in stride, though. I refuse to let my ego separate people who just love music. Like I said, these same dudes who knock me for sampling can't do what I do, and I'm more than willing to admit that I can't sit behind a keyboard and make something I like. But I will not disrespect anyone for it. I get the MOST disrespect from R&B producers, too. I don't understand it, since I'm the biggest advocate of collaboration. I don't think these R&B dudes hear music the way I do, which is why I'm open to learning and building, but cats just throw disgust and separatist attitudes.

You can say that's an opinion all you want, but you're still choosing to phrase everything in a self-righteous manner. THAT, to me, and to any self-respecting, secure musician is the REAL limitation.

Oh, by the way, Timbaland can't play S**T, and refuses to learn. What does that say?
 
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Good post Komplex.


I haven't even fathomed the thought of selling a beat, because I feel like as a DJ, I have a pretty good ear for what people like to hear, and until the music could meet my expectiations, as a listener, I won't even entertain the thought of it.


So for now, I'm just learning and having fun with it. I have a good job that allows me to live pretty comfortably for someone my age, so making money off of music is definitely not one of my priorities at the moment.


Don't get me wrong tho, doing what you love and getting paid for it is any man's dream.
 
I'm a amatuer producer myself and yes i would sell a track for 50 dollars but, not to gain a few bucks. My whole outlook is exposure, exposure right now im more concerned with getting my name out then money so i'll sell beats to just about anything. Hey, if the persons serious i'll give some to promotional mixtapes i can't speak for nobody else but i love usic and just about every aspect of about every genre .I've taken music classes and i study notes and chords so i'm deeply rooted in music the way i see things if an artist of any type has a dream and their hungry enuff i'll jump behind the boards and make it happen to the best that i know how.
 
I agree with this topic but I notice Its a lot of people that like to just rag on "amateurs" when they themselves have nothin to show they're so great that they r worthy enough to pass on this stereotypical critism. Not all cats who just startin think they god or whatever, now erbody gotta start somewhere and people just gotta learn on they own plus its some young cats wit a cracked program thats better than cats been doin this for years...bottom line: its not all bad to sell maybe a few beats for cheap, maybe get some exposure
 
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every producer who is true to who they are and what they do should always stick to it music has so many emotions to them and people have found a way to crack in to it. all i have to say is people express yourselves and dont let anyone tell you that youre sorry or none talented, do your thing for a couple years and get good at what you do and always try to be better than yourself instead of others, you never want to be limited so also think of versatility, sampling is cool alot of people wanna sample certain songs, but whos music feelings ideas and inspiration is it coming from really. i will always try to out do myself but i will never sample a nother man or womans song. Rap It Fire ent. is the fire that comes with in ones self and its all up to you to paint it out and show the people your art, that is your art. be it a yamaha, fantom, triton, mpc, or fruity loops, show these pople what you are made of. no matter what equip u use.
http://myspace.com/rapitfire
 
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producers: do ya thang man, if u out here hustlin, strugglin...sell yo beat for 50-100 bucks, do whatever u gotta do man, people dont know yo situation, jus cuz u sell a beat for 50-60 bucks dont make u the devil
 
right now im doin alot of beats for credit,wanna get my name out there first...
 
yeah i feel tha same way... perfectin my music is my number one concern...

RickySaL said:
theres to many people saying they are producers because its the cool thing now a days. it used to be being a rapper, but now its being a producer. they just crack fruity loops and think they're god, even though they don't know anything about music. not everyone is musically talented (especially on this site) but too many people are in it for the money instead of for the love of music. for them its just a trend and they'll stop once they realize they're not any good, or when its cooler to be a dj or rapper again then they'll try to do that, and the ones who make beats because they love music will keep on doing it

well put...
 
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i can feel from both sides, but more-so from the aspect of being on the grind, like me, im from kansas...dudes b on bs here, there aint nobody ballin out here...but i can also c it from the other side, if you puttin out quality ish, 50 2 60 proly isnt near enough...im new to the game, check out my beats, im curious to what you guys think they could go for.

www.soundclick.com/drenorris
 
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dre norris said:
i can feel from both sides, but more-so from the aspect of being on the grind, like me, im from kansas...dudes b on bs here, there aint nobody ballin out here...but i can also c it from the other side, if you puttin out quality ish, 50 2 60 proly isnt near enough...im new to the game, check out my beats, im curious to what you guys think they could go for.

www.soundclick.com/drenorris

yo... i'm checkin em out now... i'll give you feedback..
 
dre norris said:
i can feel from both sides, but more-so from the aspect of being on the grind, like me, im from kansas...dudes b on bs here, there aint nobody ballin out here...but i can also c it from the other side, if you puttin out quality ish, 50 2 60 proly isnt near enough...im new to the game, check out my beats, im curious to what you guys think they could go for.

www.soundclick.com/drenorris

i like what i've heard... i'm not knockin you but in all three beats your drum patterns seem to be tha same...
 
J-Morrals said:
i like what i've heard... i'm not knockin you but in all three beats your drum patterns seem to be tha same...

yea, im tryin a new style, tryna perfect it, then move to the next
 
dre norris said:
yea, im tryin a new style, tryna perfect it, then move to the next
that guitar melody on that last beat is dope the piano one was ight too wasnt really feelin the first one tho good work
 
this is a funny thread.... some ofyou shouldnt have said nothin... cause the thread was about YOU. .LOL p.s. we discuss plans for the future.... they discuss people.. lol
 
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