Why are amateur producers obsessed with selling beats?

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This thread got opinions all over the place. It started out as having a problem with FL piraters already selling beats to why $50 is too low to sell a beat and labels will roll their eyes if that's all you charge them.
Istead of sayin "I don't need a man" like a woman would, some of y'all are like "I'm happy without a deal". Let's keep telling ourselves life goes on.

Midi Men said:
Something happened to me the other day while watching "Cold Cases" with that fine white chick, I have a crush on her...at the ending of the show they played "What If God Was One Of Us" by Joan Osbourne.

The way I reacted was crazy...my emotions took control and I started crying. I was crying cuz the song has such a powerful meaning and the way they used it was incredible.
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did that make you or break you?
 
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Heh, its too funny.
The problem is, there's far more producers these days than listeners. It's a super-mega-oversaturated market. One guy said he has 3.500 songs on his ipod. How much did he pay for each?
It's good to value yourself and your creativity/skills, but dollar value is different thing...
If we were able to drastically reduce the number of producers and make listening to music mandatory for all population, it would defenitely help!
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i aint sold notta one beat yet lol im in no rush....im just rookie..nowhere near ready to sell a beat...
 
People in this thread talking about how they're not interested in selling beats and what not are full of shyt.


So you're telling me that if by some chance, you run into Ryan Leslie and dude is like, "Hey...you...I want you to be my next selection"....you're gonna really give two shyts about the OVERALL SUPPOSED OPINION of FP members and not join his squad? All this talk about trashy radio shyt and you REALLY don't think your work can get down with the best(or worst) of what's on Hot 97?



Don't give me that Mysto and Pizza Guy shyt either. Maybe THEY weren't being paid, but how does that affect you. No better yet HOW WILL YOU LET THAT AFFECT YOU??? Negroes please. Like I said before the problem is bigger than the average soundclick/myspace producer....but I'll give more respect to the guy who straight out admits to being a hustler. At least he's not the one who thinks it's just cool to follow along with what everyone else is saying.....and not getting one got damn dime for it. I see people calling Storch all kinds of names for how he conducts business, but at the end of the day he's a $70 million dollar whore.....


....Oh I'm sorry I have no snappy end to that punchline. He's just a 70 million dollar whore at 11:59:59 PM every single day. Discussion?


My only argument is don't sell yourself for dirt cheap. The price tag you place on your music reflects how you really feel about your work. Yes believe it or not, Nitty most likely didn't speak to Puff on some, "Yo I mean....if you can spare $2000 for that beat then that's cool with me. You good with that?" On another note, if you have something for sale then what the phuk makes you so special that your UNSIGNED UNKNOWN ASS wouldn't sell that beat to anyone willing to open up his/her wallet......



...I mean unless you've got a few cats fighting over a particular beat and then you can get choosy? Anyone having this particular issue???? If so....keep hustling 'cause you're obviously doing something right.


I hope most of you aren't planning on coming into this business with a conscience. Just because you wouldn't sell a beat to D4L doesn't make you any better than the man who would sleep with 20 bytches within 30 days. I'm telling ya that conscience shyt is gonna make it real hard to fire workers who are slackers. Hope ya have fun learning how to tell a friend to phuk off when they get pissy at you investing your money in real estate instead of their Chicken And Rims corner bodega.


Wow and that's just the verrrrrrrry tip of the iceberg.
 
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Tyree D. said:
did that make you or break you?
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I felt a powerful emotion...an emotion that only music can give you. I know its a tv show and its supposed to provoke your feelings but my mind was like...thinking about the song and thinking about my life...I wasent sad though...it was like tears of joy. From that moment I felt a bigger appreciation for music and it was like an awakening. I got my love back for music...kinda like when I was a kid.

It was crazy... benefecial to my productions though, cuz Ive been thinking of same new ideas. Im gonna start sampling more and getting into making my music sound more alive.
 
I was wrong about baby's age...he's 37.

What if god was one of us? I dont wanna get into that...
 
Amatueurs will always try to get in on something because everyone thinks they are better than they really are. Its the same with Singers (See American Idol) its the same with Baseketball (See And1) and it probabaly happens at your job. Its the nature of man to be a lil bit arrogant and thats what this comes down to. People download Fruity Loops and swear they are God and lose their mind when anyone tells them anything different. I can't be mad at someone for having the same dream as me I am only mad at them for not wanting to work at it as hard as I am. Give it a few years once they realise how much they suck they will give up or they will continue to be frusterated unless its true passion.
 
damn its kinda true. back in the day it was all about the rapper now its all about who produced what. things change. I remember i wanted to be this big rapper. i took a step back while making my own beats to rap to, and thought f all this rap stuff let me just take this mpc and make music to sell. now i'm like wait a minute em i doing this for the money or to really make good music music that people appreciate music thats gonna make people think.

i'm 26 now, started rapping at 15 when hip hop was grungy dirty real hip hop. Now its all about the future with me studying and building on my craft when i feel the time is right the i'll try to look for a pusher to push my music.

I'm not knockin the kids trying to sell beats.think about it if your selling your beats for $50 is the beat really worth it? things like that i think of . me personally i would never sell a beat for $50 i rather starve or work at mcdonalds. cuz my beats are my babies i'm not gonna give them up for cheap. the person has to be worthy of them (not saying i'm the **** but). I sometimes put to much into my music and to give it up for less what i think its worth is nonsense. but keep hustlin its all about the 6 degrees of seperation everyones connected in some way trust me.
 
This is the best thread posted here in a longgggg time, I agree with Komplex sentiments.

I think the best bet is start you're own movement, get down with several MCs and start a crew... produce for all of them and quit worryin about chargin them up. If you are already cool with cats that you know can spit, thats even better... GIVE them beats, let them rock to it. If they really want this, they are gonna go out and do shows and you're stuff is gonna be hurd, maybe you can DJ for them too and start to get show money. Build up some sort of following locally, associate yourself with this crew just like 9th and Khrysis did with the League. Then if a certain faction/person in the crew blows up... guess who he is comin to FIRST for beats??? YOU! That relationship is already there, ya'll were on the grind TOGETHER, he respects you and you have that chemistry that just works. Then once you build up on that major level, you can put the others on... even if they aren't necessarily as "good"... since when does good music sell these days anyway?? LOL. And guess who they are gonna come to first for beats?... YOU!!!!! That's when you start gettin your money and publishin.

Then guess what??? The major cats are gonna start hittin you up... connects are gonna contact you. "This is Young Guru... I was feelin that project ya'll boys did, I like you're whole style. Jay wants to hear some stuff, hop on the next flight to NY." Then once you work with somebody like that, everybody wants to work with you... and you become some sort of trend on one level or another.

Sounds easy... right? Haha. Thank god I'm diversified.
 
Get with it folks. This is the evolution of our craft. There are producers that grew up in the Quincy Jones era who think guys like us aren't shyt because we can't write out compositions. Some dude produced Laffy Taffy and got PAID!! ..and I ain't mad at him. The music game has been great for me because I understand it's a business.

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DaOriginalBlade said:
I think the best bet is start you're own movement, get down with several MCs and start a crew... produce for all of them and quit worryin about chargin them up. If you are already cool with cats that you know can spit, thats even better... GIVE them beats, let them rock to it. If they really want this, they are gonna go out and do shows and you're stuff is gonna be hurd, maybe you can DJ for them too and start to get show money. Build up some sort of following locally, associate yourself with this crew just like 9th and Khrysis did with the League. Then if a certain faction/person in the crew blows up... guess who he is comin to FIRST for beats??? YOU!

Thank god I'm diversified.
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You just described us lol ... People don't think long term thats the
problem. Everyone wants NOW things to happen an not put in work
for LATER things. I'm 18 been doing this for 2 years now ... Sold a good
amount of beats for way more than those $50 price tags ... Done work
with a few well known artists and it was all based off the strength
of what you described above.

But then again what do I know I'm just an 18 yr old kid with the fruit loops
right who can't possibly be any good or actually doing work right ?
 
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Don't listen to the haters.

I have the beats to take you to the big time. I got those Storch, Neptunes, Lil Jon, Dre, and Kanye type beats.

It'll make nigg@s think you making moves.

Buy right, buy cheap at:

http://www.Isellcheapbeatztoyou.biz

I got the beats for the streets to make other producers look weak!

http://www.Isellcheapbeatztoyou.biz

Also please ignore any post I make about:

"How do I get my beats to sound like Kanye?"
"How do you use an MPC?"
"How do you remove vocals from a sample?"
"If I make a beat and no one is around to hear it, is it really hot?"
 
I don't think it's wrong... Some people just want to do it for art, and some people just want to sell beats. Not everybody has to be into producing for the same reasons. I mean, if you have to get a job, why work at McDonalds if you can make the same amount selling beats and being creative? So if you're into it from the "artist" perspective, don't hate on the cats that are doing it as a hustle. Some of these dudes would be selling drugs or in jail otherwise.

The only problem with it is, people can bring standards down. Because after awhile there are so many talented people selling beats for cheap that people start saying, "why should I pay you $1000 when I can pay this other guy $150 and get a beat that's almost just as good".

So it kills the market for the average joe... You have to get much farther along to actually start seeing real money for your work. It's the same thing that happened where I live when musicians started playing gigs for $50 or even for free. All of a sudden people think it's ok to hire a band for 4 hours and pay them $50 and a bag of corn chips apiece, just because so many people started selling themselves that way.

But, it just means that like H&R said, relationships are more important. If you build relationships with people, it's like sales; people will what something is worth, because you're not just a random face trying to collect for a random beat. Most people think that success is made on the strength of their beats when it's really made on the strength of their connections and negotiations.
 
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codexlf said:
But, it just means that like H&R said, relationships are more important. If you build relationships with people, it's like sales; people will what something is worth, because you're not just a random face trying to collect for a random beat. Most people think that success is made on the strength of their beats when it's really made on the strength of their connections and negotiations.
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THANK YOU !

DING DING ! Also another thing the majority of people I network and
do work with are out of state and thru the net. But I forget that alot
of FP mebers are afraid/or most likely just don't know how to use the
net effectively enough to have it help their career. PEOPLE it does
help when you know how to use it right whether you like to believe it
or not.

NETWORKING & RELATIONSHIPS ARE PRICELESS !!!

It's def. good to get out their face to face but you know damn
well it's 2006 ... You can be in NY and have a meeting with someone
that in LA thru a conference call/video on the net right thru your
pc or on your cell phone playing beats, trading connects, discussing
business, and etc all on the net without leaving the state.
 
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Midi Men said:
I can relate to alot of this...its pretty amazing how Ive grown as a producer...I dont even know if Ive reached producer status yet...Im learning that it dont stop at just, making a beat, and selling it...

Theres alot of work that goes into this...experience is priceless, Im startin to dive deep into the depths of sound...sorta...and paying closer attention to rhythm more than ever. Im startin to see how Just Blaze and them make thier stuff sound the way it does, its so interesting it isnt funny.

I always knew Id be doin this someday...it aint no get rich quick scheme for me, I never thought it would be cuz Baby didn't become a baller until he was maybe in his late 30's im guessing, and Mannie Fresh was a grown ass man when he came in the game.

Im sittin here vibin to one of my beats comin out the mpc...knowing I created it is hard for me to fathom sometimes...I really cant beleive Ive made it this far so fast.
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OsamaPigLatin said:
I hope most of you aren't planning on coming into this business with a conscience.
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Good tip. Business and concience is a pretty hard mix.

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Just to hold a mirror up to this message board, this forum is obssesed with stars and doing it big and money/excess.

So for anyone who's concerned about the death of hip-hop and all that, this is pretty much at the heart of the issue.
 
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F*&^kING A

vladb said:
I been making beats for about 2 years
im a handout kinda guy, **** selling
what makes me happy is hearing some talented ass rapper spitting on a beat of mine
at some point ide like to make some dividends but for now, F*uck that


never let profit be your motivation
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4shi my nigga i feel you wit that shhhhh im bout building my resume and its gettin big


RAPPERS GET AT ME


079NERS
 
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