Why are amateur producers obsessed with selling beats?

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I've noticed a growing trend of producers these days who haven't even begun to grasp the basic fundamentals of music trying to sell beats. I mean its always been around but it seems like every damn kid who gets cracked software these days thinks they're ready to take over the industry.

The bar has been set so low I've even seen people selling their tracks outright for 50 dollars! Even though their tracks might be garbage to the fullest i've seen many young hungry producers (including quite a few on this site) doing the same thing...

For the first couple years that I got into producing selling tracks was the last thing on my mind. It was more about perfecting my craft and getting up to the standard to actually get somewhere. Even though I've lost quite a bit of sales I've never sold a track for under 200-300 dollars. Its better to find quality clients and cut them reasonable deals. If someone cant afford a few bills for their projects then most likely they have zero money to actually push it anywhere...

I apologize if some of you see this as a rant but as I am moving on to the next point in my career I feel I need to get some people in the right mindset.

My point is for you amateurs, perfect your craft! Take an honest assessment of your skills compare your tracks to some of the greats and see if they even have a chance of measuring up. If you can't even get a track in tune then you shouldn't be worried about selling it. If you're in music to make a quick buck its the wrong business for you...

For all the talented young producers on here, dont set your bar too low. If you have fire and everyone tells you that you have fire people will pay for it. You just have to grind and network with serious clients.

Set yourself up for the long run not the quick cash...

Peace
 
hey i feel what fam iz sayin ive been in the rap gane for 6 yrs going ive made 3 mixtapes, 1 lp and countless nember of shows from illinois 2 texas and i ve been producing for 1 year and i remember how it was lookin 4 beats as a rapper, but now that i am a producer and loving what i do now i wanna establish relationships with various artist b4 the money starts rollin in, $50 dollahs nigga please





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theres to many people saying they are producers because its the cool thing now a days. it used to be being a rapper, but now its being a producer. they just crack fruity loops and think they're god, even though they don't know anything about music. not everyone is musically talented (especially on this site) but too many people are in it for the money instead of for the love of music. for them its just a trend and they'll stop once they realize they're not any good, or when its cooler to be a dj or rapper again then they'll try to do that, and the ones who make beats because they love music will keep on doing it
 
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ive been producing for coming up to 2 years. I wouldnt attempt to embarress myself by trying to sell my beats (although i dont solely make rap, i wouldnt sell anything). Personally though i honestly dont believe that these people selling theyre amatuer beats are really seeing many sales, if any. I reckon even the people on soundclick that charge for mp3 downloads are hindering themselves.....the public are reluctant to pay for professional or chart mp3s so why would they pay a nobody, even if it is just a couple of pence/cents. im still confident that giving my music away free is the best route for someone in my position. Especially if u personaly hand someone a free CD, theyre almost guarenteed to at least look into you.
It doesnt really bother me what these other people are doing but i'd say its fair to say that theyve still got a lot to learn.
 
"If someone cant afford a few bills for their projects then most likely they have zero money to actually push it anywhere..."

THIS is the REALEST nugget of clarity in there, thanks dude
 
It's not just the amateurs.....it's everyone....all of them...



Every one of them who shytted on sampling...


All of them who wanted to make music, then failed to successfully make a few combinator patches so not they wanna try to :manage" REAL NIGGAS WITH REAL TALENT.....:rolleyes:


Speaking of real talent, it's the ones who'd rather misuse that talent by making music aimed at dumb women who'll buy into anything with a heavy kick drum and a belltree glistening at the end of every 4th bar....


But you know what? Those fools aren't even worth arguing about. Here is what makes sense to me....if any of you are worried about these crushing the market with their sale prices.....you're wasting your time.
Emcees are becoming smarter. They are learning that.....well if you're a producer who is that stupid to sell yourself short then you're that stupid to get your shyt jacked. People view your music on two levels....how much you charge for it....and the personality that backs up the music in question. Basically the sales pitch you offer. Going online and declaring that you're got the hottest shyt known to man and then you sell a beat for $10?????????? Nyggas will treat your shyt like I treat music off honorablemedia when I can't find the single on my favorite p2p site.




I don't know. Maybe some people like wearing the "Kick me and please jack my shyt" sign. I mean my dudes and I ain't about to phuk up our Timbs but........
 
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OsamaPigLatin said:
It's not just the amateurs.....it's everyone....all of them...



Every one of them who shytted on sampling...


All of them who wanted to make music, then failed to successfully make a few combinator patches so not they wanna try to :manage" REAL NIGGAS WITH REAL TALENT.....:rolleyes:


Speaking of real talent, it's the ones who'd rather misuse that talent by making music aimed at dumb women who'll buy into anything with a heavy kick drum and a belltree glistening at the end of every 4th bar....


But you know what? Those fools aren't even worth arguing about. Here is what makes sense to me....if any of you are worried about these crushing the market with their sale prices.....you're wasting your time.
Emcees are becoming smarter. They are learning that.....well if you're a producer who is that stupid to sell yourself short then you're that stupid to get your shyt jacked. People view your music on two levels....how much you charge for it....and the personality that backs up the music in question. Basically the sales pitch you offer. Going online and declaring that you're got the hottest shyt known to man and then you sell a beat for $10?????????? Nyggas will treat your shyt like I treat music off honorablemedia when I can't find the single on my favorite p2p site.




I don't know. Maybe some people like wearing the "Kick me and please jack my shyt" sign. I mean my dudes and I ain't about to phuk up our Timbs but........
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I agree, sell yourself short and you'll have a short career. What I hope MCs realize that they're buying/hiring someone with some experience in actually producing a song, not just emailing a beat and waiting for the reply with vocals. The money-hungry will almost always outnumber those that have balanced their aims for art and commerce in this business.
 
KomplexBeats said:
For all the talented young producers on here, dont set your bar too low. If you have fire and everyone tells you that you have fire people will pay for it. You just have to grind and network with serious clients.

Set yourself up for the long run not the quick cash...

Peace
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Peace. that's my situation. I let my dude in NY hear my tracks, who works with Fabolous, and Diddy, and he told me to sell my throwaway tracks for 1,000 and 5,000 for anything else...and these are local indie acts..he told me 10,000 is the bottom line for majors. That really shocked me but I think that's great cause it weeds out the serious and the pranksters ya know.. Cause my tracks are industry standard already.
 
I agree with a lot of things said in this thread. Hey that rhymes, I should sell that for fifty bucks. Anyone interested please hit me up. LOL All kidding aside, I agree, hone your craft, then hone some more, its saturated out here. Too many chiefs and not enough indians......
 
DaFunkDocta said:
I agree, sell yourself short and you'll have a short career. What I hope MCs realize that they're buying/hiring someone with some experience in actually producing a song, not just emailing a beat and waiting for the reply with vocals. The money-hungry will almost always outnumber those that have balanced their aims for art and commerce in this business.
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Yeah, there are tons of responsibilities for a true producer. Most cats dont realize it. it's not 5stacks for a MP3 over email. (which is wrong anyways) It's alot of inbetween things that go into production.
 
Chuckie Busa said:
I agree with a lot of things said in this thread. Hey that rhymes, I should sell that for fifty bucks. Anyone interested please hit me up. LOL All kidding aside, I agree, hone your craft, then hone some more, its saturated out here. Too many chiefs and not enough indians......
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I wouldnt go so far as to call them chiefs. Chiefin a blunt maybe, but thats about it.
 
Blueprint Music said:
Yeah, there are tons of responsibilities for a true producer. Most cats dont realize it. it's not 5stacks for a MP3 over email. (which is wrong anyways) It's alot of inbetween things that go into production.
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But you know, it's hard not to take someone's 5 stacks if all they want is an MP3 of your track! Ahhh, my conscience might f*** with me on that one, lol...can't jerk nobody

But that does beg another question...(albeit a funny one)

How tempting has it been for any of you experienced dudes to flat out just jerk some of these dudes out here? I've been reaaaaal close to it a couple times over the years, but I just couldn't do it, lol

Subtraction said:
I wouldnt go so far as to call them chiefs. Chiefin a blunt maybe, but thats about it.
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HEY, I'm the CHIEF in MY sessions! LOL
 
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DaFunkDocta said:
I agree, sell yourself short and you'll have a short career. What I hope MCs realize that they're buying/hiring someone with some experience in actually producing a song, not just emailing a beat and waiting for the reply with vocals. The money-hungry will almost always outnumber those that have balanced their aims for art and commerce in this business.
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Exactly that too, I was at the TJDJS Conference in august and on one of the panels dude basically went crazy saying these wac beatmakers/engineers need to provide a good service and help the emcees. and then he said broke ass emcees need to pay for good service. it was funny but very true...

peace
 
DaFunkDocta said:
But you know, it's hard not to take someone's 5 stacks if all they want is an MP3 of your track! Ahhh, my conscience might f*** with me on that one, lol...can't jerk nobody

But that does beg another question...(albeit a funny one)

How tempting has it been for any of you experienced dudes to flat out just jerk some of these dudes out here? I've been reaaaaal close to it a couple times over the years, but I just couldn't do it, lol
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Your favorite producer jerks niggas. He'd jerk you too if he could.

Funny thing is the niggas who mostly ***** about being jerked....are the same ones trying to sell sampled beats over the net. :rolleyes:



Karma.
 
KomplexBeats said:
Exactly that too, I was at the TJDJS Conference in august and on one of the panels dude basically went crazy saying these wac beatmakers/engineers need to provide a good service and help the emcees. and then he said broke ass emcees need to pay for good service. it was funny but very true...

peace
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TRUE, and equal parts frustrating down to my toenails! The WORST situation is when you actually find an MC on the caliber of a Black Thought, KRS-One, Lauryn, etc...but they are either: A) Broke, B) lazy, or C) crazy, I mean actual mental issues that need medication.

I've already been through the fire of sacrifice, patience and perseverence for a good handful of truly gifted MCs. But I had to learn the hard way that this kind of career choice---that's what it is don't fool yourself---takes into account so many other variables that do what they are pretty much supposed to do, weed out the weak from the strong. It just took me a while to become aware of all those variables. Until then, I was making excuses for these loser-geniuses. I only recently got fed up and moved on from all of them.
 
I agree with everything, if your trying to make it in the game selling beats for 50$ dollars everyone is doing is weak. You'l be look at like garbage. You mind as well sell your mp3's to some young buck for a $1 and not even be serious.
 
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