Who has Ghost Writer's ?

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CrAcKa-JaCk said:


hahahaha

I ghostwrite. well, I'm in the business to.

but ye, this isn't hip-hop related but its music related, so sue me. A lot of artists that do like the alternative music, Sheryl Crow, for one, and a lot of Pop superstars get ghostwriters.

I just find that ironic that people "feel" their music because "it comes from their heart" and they didnt even do the damn thing.
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Ghostwriters is a term hip hop coined. It is very common place for artists in other genre's not to write their own songs. Nobody even blinks an eye. That's what SONG WRITERS are for.

You get people to play different roles. That's like being in a band and someone saying OOOH, HE GOT A GHOST-DRUMMER!!! It just sound stupid.

But then again, hip hop was founded on the basis of EXPRESSION, not PERFORMANCE like other genres.

So if you're EXPRESSING OTHER PEOPLE'S THOUGHTS through other people's words, then by the very definition of hip hop, you're a fraud.
 
I don't actually ghostwrite, its a joke, but since you dont visit the songwriting forum much, you wouldnt get it.

but ye, I was just pointing that out, because it is similar. even though they carry a different connotation, at the end of the day, you're still performin someone else's ish.

I just find it ironic that "hip-hop heads" seem to be the only ones gettin' sweaty about it. I've never heard a teeny-bopper say, "Oh he/she has their songs written by someone else, wtf."
 
j.troup said:
They never drop mixtapes or do freestyle shows so they automatically don't write their own music?
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I was just giving examples . . . But yea Cheezy artists never do anything else that was my main point. Dude said he wondered about fab, jada, satana, etc. and those are all artists who have been around for awhile and are always consitently dropping stuff inbetween albums, featured on other things, do radio shows, etc. . . .
 
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hmm.. ain't it kind of hard to tell if an emcee got a ghost writer? cuz afterall, they are "ghost"-writers.. so the public (meaning US indie/underground-producers here) shouldn't find out about it... so all we could know is that, anyone and everyone could have a ghost-writer.. including backpackers like EL-P, to like mainstream artists like jigga, could have a ghost-writer...

some of them did go out in public and admitted someone else wrote they lyrics.. which ain't ghost-writing, its just WRITING for the artist, cuz they didn't really ghost the fact that someone else wrote it, haha, .. examples are Dr. Dre (Jigga, Eminem, Knoc-turn-al, Snoop, Royce Da 5'9, plenty of people), Diddy (Common, Mase, Biggie, that dude from Dipset, and lots others) and Bow Wow (Jermaine Durpri, Snoop and even T.I. have written for Bow Wow)


harsh.jha
 
What song did COMMON write for Sean "I don't write rhymes, I write checks" Combs ?
 
Diddy has a ghost writer though, even though i have problems with artists in any genre not writing their own lyrics it's worse in hip hop since unless the mc got a sick flow they ain't nothing
 
Diddy, Baby, Young Geezy, Nelly, Paul Wall, Memphis Bleek, Lil Flip(at times), Ciara, lil kim, remy ma, trina, dem franchise boyz, ying yang twinz, lil jon, manny fresh, david banner, dr. dre, will smith, and EVERYONE IN THE INDUSTRY gets ghostwritten hooks for them, and song topics!
 
I disagree with the thought that the artists not constantly doing mixtapes, freestyling, etc. are necessarily the ones who use ghostwriters. On the contrary, many of them probably DO use ghostwriters because many freestylers have the hardest time writing coherent songs that do not change topics with every line.

What i want to know is how to get in the writing game, because that's prob what i would be best at. Does anyone have an answer for THAT? like how to promote your "ghostwriting" skills to rappers? Unfortunately I get the feeling that ghostwriting is an industry insider priviledge.
 
To get into the writing game is the same way as getting in for a rapper... your all artists... so if you got good songs, producers in your area might want to pay you for those rap songs and give them to the artists they have on there "roster". THe producer may have an artist who already performs, has a management team, and is knockin on the doors of teh major labels. If you can get a song to catch the ear of someone like this, it might end up on a cd that ends up in the lap of a major, WHO THEN, might like the dude who really wrote "song 3"(you). As with everything, opportunity must meet preperation.

PS i know it aint hip hop... but Elton John had a ghostwriter too, Bernie Toupin(look it up, its interesting), big differance though... he wrote and played the music....

yall be easy
 
I think they had an article in the last Scratch about ghostwriting... check it.
 
puffedoutproductions said:
many of them probably DO use ghostwriters because many freestylers have the hardest time writing coherent songs that do not change topics with every line.
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Yea I agree with that but the artists whos names popped up were Fabolous, Jadakiss, & Santana and I was saying that those artists are always constanly dropping new material . . . Now if they had ghostwriters they would be spending alot of money to have ghostwritten raps just for mixtapes and all 3 metioned flood the mixtape scence with new material all the time . . .

Freestyles such as Jin, Cassidy, Freeway, & similar artists I think get help on organizing and writing songs . . . Not ghost written but re-arranged and like sequenced into a song . . . I have no problem with that cause it's like when you write an essay and the teacher looks it over and revises it then you re-write it . . .

Then you just got the plain old cheezy ones who are used for image and have full songs ghost written then they appear on mtv an all the little girls run and buy their albums *cough*so so def artists*cough* . . .
 
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H&R said:


Fabouls, Jada, & Santana def. not though do you really think they have Ghost Wrtie when their on mixtapes left and right ? Thats alotta wasted money on writers then . . .

Try Chingy, Bow Wow, Nelly, and other cheezy artists like them . . . The ones that never drop freestyles or get on mixtapes are the ones with ghost writers . . . How often do you see the cheezy ones droppin new tracks on mixtapes or doing radio shows an freestyling and etc. cause they not gonna waste mone on ghost writers for songs that aren't gonna make money . . .

Just my opinion on it . . .
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Historicaly, cats who dropped bunch of mixtape joints, and did all the freestyles usually couldnt write a song to save their life. Especially the big tyme freestyle cats.
 
Quiet Storm said:
I often sit back and wonder if these rappers make up these lines they spit or if its ghostwritten.

I know Dre has used them but I dont know about anybody else.
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Dre's Ghost writers that I know of are D.O.C, and Jay-Z. Dr. Dre is so powerfull though, that he has had many more. He probably says to people. " here I will exchange production for ghostwriting services, or give you a major dicount on one of my beat's. Cause a Dre. produced song ment for the radio is a near sure fire hit. Ive only hered one or two beats from him I do not like, and some of them ( at least 20 of them ) are simply amazing.
I personally would trade away the lyrics to 3 whole songs of mine my best lyrics for a banging Dre beat.
 
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j.troup said:



you do realize that bow wow grew up in columbus ohio, and he's pretty much been private schooled since he was like 9, right?
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LOL
He said "I know the dude personally" which most likely means he's talking about one of Bow Wow's ghostwriter. If he meant Bow, he would of said his name or "him" not "that dude".

For the record I know for a fact T.I. ghostwrote for Bow Wow on his last album. He said so in XXL mag.
 
Scarface also has ghostwriters. Smitty said that he and others have wrote for him. Also, 7 Aurelius claims that he stole production credit from him, which is why a few Face and Ashanti tracks have the same exact identical beats.
 
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Scarface does NOT have ghostwriters. Smitty maybe wrote a hook or some chant for an intro or some bullshlt like that.
 
DaOriginalBlade said:
Scarface does NOT have ghostwriters. Smitty maybe wrote a hook or some chant for an intro or some bullshlt like that.
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He actually said he and others wrote numerous verses on his new album, and the Geto Boys last album.


Sorry man, I know I know, it's like finding out the tooth fairy isn't real.
 
City of Angels said:
Kanye's are no secret...

Really Doe, Rhymefest...etc.
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y do you dudes keep sayin kanye's name??? like him or not, dude gives everyone that had somthin to do with his music credit, just look in the little booklet that came with the cd, that is of course if you bought the cd

I think cam has a ghost writter, and i think its SANTANA
 
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