White rappers Vs. White producers...

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emsiwun : Also, how come you did not answer my question on where you got your information from?
 
Because everyone has the perception that rappers have to had come from the hood, slinged some coke, lived in the projects, and thus having a street cred. Rarely anyone sees white dudes having these attributes and thus having no sreet cred. That's why they dont get looks and are not taking seriously. The same reason why kids taking about dropping cats are laughed at. I personally disagree with this. I saybring what you know to the table and dont try to fit the genre or stereotype. If its hot then do what it do. But I dont make up 100% of the listeners so things'll never change.
 
A lot of it is stereotypes, as has already been mentioned. But the problem with the stereotypes is that they are so ingrained into who we are - because of how we were raised and what media we've seen - that it is hard to remove them. Rap started out off of block parties - which were nearly all black - and then grew from there. It started out as black, and as of yet there really hasn't been much change. There are exceptions to the rule, clearly, as everyone has mentioned Aesop Rock, Eminem, and Bubba Sparxx. Stereotypes rule our society, though.

I would like to say that I am not racist, as a lot of the people that I admire for a number of reasons are black - RZA, Kanye, MLK, Malcom X, etc - but it really is hard sometimes. For instance, my iPod was stolen out of my truck one night, and immediately I thought the person who stole it was black. That is clearly racist, and I wish it wasn't so.

That example doesn't seem to fit, but it does. Black people are usually the one rapping, white people are usually the ones playing guitar and singing. You don't see the producer. Scott Storch is about the biggest cracka alive, but we don't see him.
 
I don't think white rappers have a problem at all, unless the bring it up. If your good and conifident, nobody cares. But if you're a white rapper trying to say your'e the great white hope , well you are going to messed with. The problem with most artist(mostly white) from the suburbs is that they have not experienced much to associate them with the under privilaged 'streets' so their subject matter is not relivent, nor cared about. but artist who actually have something to say will do well. this is not only about rap this is about all genres, artist who hate their lives make better music. when things are great they have nothing to say.and unfortunatly in our segragated society blacks on the average live rougher lives, 400 yrs of slavery and +100 years of segragation will make it hard for any people to all live great easy lives. If you think race have no relationship to ones rights, take a drive through Chicago. You see a racist police force(worst in the world). Drive down Madison from Central to downtown, you will see how segragated this city really is. then drive up Clark. You will see why Black Chicago Lyricist are the best in the world. and Why our city is soulful. Unfortunitly soul comes with pain. I love my city, but things need to change. I'm stepping off of my soapbox... for now.
 
It's pretty simple. Hip Hop started as black movement in the Bronx as a pure and unadultered art form with no expectations other than self-expression. As it grew it caught a buzz, record companies started wondering if they could market it, and if so who they could market it to. Since it was originally a black art form, all the original artists were black and in such spoke about issues and topics that related to their lives. Twenty years down the line though, hip hop is the most globally commercial art form in the world. EVERYONE listens to hip hop. So its hard to expect white kids from the suburbs who grew up listening to it their whole lives, not to eventually want to pick up a mic, make a beat or buy some turntables and DJ. Hip Hop is a living art, it is growing and expanding and assimilating into every aspect of cultural existence. Now we just gotta learn to respect each other, treat each other right and now focus on the race stuff. As long some white dude from middle class America isn't coming out talking about guns, drugs, gangs, reperations and the hood, let him do his thing, if he is, clown the fool.

Its like Saul Williams said..."Substitute the anger and oppression with guilt and depression and it's yours."
 
Like Dwells said, white rappers do okay when they just do their thing. K-Fed sucked not because people were like "oh great another white rapper". He sucked because he is K-Fed. The black community is pretty open-minded about entertainers of other races, and they embrace anyone who can just be themselves and not pretend to have it worse than them. Whether it's Paul Wall or Paul Barman, Alchemist or Remedy, the key is to be yourself.

The main problem is a lot of irresponsible marketing of hip hop culture, and new fans won't know about the pioneers and the history. A lot of white kids coming up now might only know hip hop from looking at current MTV which would paint a pretty bad picture.
 
Being both a white mc and white producer, allow me to speak on this topic. Let me start off on the local level. I know of a few white mc's around the way who put out some decent music and get a little bit of love from the fans, including myself. To me, it's all about being real on the music. If you came up poor and you lived around a lot of crime, drugs, etc. then talk about that. If you're a playa, got kids and a family, or live the single club type life, talk about that. But I've seen white rappers around here really get clowned because they're acting like something they're not. In people's eyes, they're simply seen as wiggers. Me personally, I started out rapping, then moved to producing. I used to rap about sh1t that wasn't me, like fighting, partying hard, stuff like that. But eventually I figured out that people weren't feeling it, because it wasn't who I am. So yeah.... But to be honest, soemtimes I feel like I get more respect producing the music rather then performing. I really don't fit the rapper type, but I got a decent flow and some nice lyrics, so it's w/e. I do it because I like to, not to make money or look tough. Whew.... Talk about a speech.
 
Producers work behind the scenes most of the time and Rappers are out front.
 
Man, some of you dudes are really over thinking this......first and FOREMOST 9/10 white rappers have wack voices, and second 9/10 usually have week flows and aren't very witty with a punch line.

Voice matters so much to me and when I hear most white rappers I cringe so much I don't even hear what they are talking about. They almost always seem to add a phoney "twang" to their voice. look at the white dudes that get respect and they ALL have nice voices.
 
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I agree with a lot of what Styl said. I'm also a white mc/producer. I feel like it's easier to get accepted as a white producer because of the obvious...producers aren't seen. plus, you don't have to be "hard" or have "street cred" to be make a "hard" or "street" beat. However, when you're talking like you're a thug, and you are not, you're setting yourself up to get clowned. Which is why I don't do that when i rap. I do me. I'm a white guy who grew up half of his life in the average, stereotype white household. Then, as I was getting into hip-hop, my family started to fall apart, lots of "junior-high and high-school" problems followed, people died, i went through anger management, lots of health problems, got diagnosed with insomnia, depression, and i have anxiety attacks. hip-hop was always my way to express myself. im just glad i wasn't listening to punk or emo at that point in my life...who knows what i'd be like now. i can talk all day about MY struggle. i dont know -- and i dont pretend to know -- anything about anyone else's struggle. As long as you're a 'real dude' and not trying to be something you're not, i dont think you'll come off as a wigger...thats just my two pennies.
 
dwells said:
artist who hate their lives make better music. when things are great they have nothing to say.
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i'm gonna go 50/50 with you on this one - i actually tend to write better music that i think is more _relevant_ to my life when i'm balanced and content.

when things go to ****, i write good music still (sometimes), but it's a more desperate sound that i'm not fully comfortable listening to later.

i prefer releasing the former, but sometimes people prefer hearing the latter.


white guy right off clark, signing out. :cheers:
 
xtrordinare said:
predominatly black culture? you might wanna check again, maybe back when hip hop first started but now, theres just as many white fans, if not more than black fans now....i mean i can only say eminem, because i dont know many other white rappers whose had a terrible life, bubba sparxx is the only other white rapper that comes to mind, and i dont think he had such a bad life, of course ive never bought any of his records so i couldnt say, but eminem has done wonders for the hip hop community, has opened a lot of doors for other people, so i would say hes def a good spokesperson in a "predominately black culture"
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my point exactly .....
 
Sinatra Black said:
Producers work behind the scenes most of the time and Rappers are out front.
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Quote, you nailed the issue. A producer works in the studio and most of the time gets his due and is out of the way even before the song is aired, so it could literally be anybody and you wouldn't know better.

Now the rapper on the other hand has to front the act, and look the part, that's showbusiness!
 
Being a white producer first, emcee a distant second...

I think the world as a whole, are all racist. No matter what race is looking at who. It's not a hip hop thing, it's a world thing. Everybody looks down to the other race. So, hip hop, which is looked at by all as black music, looks down on artists' who are not black. Asians, Arabic, it doesn't matter, they are still given harsh stereotypes. Every once in a while an artist that isn't black gets accepted, but it doesn't happen with more frequency because of the basic racism by everyone still present in America...

Just my opinion
 
xtrordinare said:
predominatly black culture? you might wanna check again, maybe back when hip hop first started but now, theres just as many white fans, if not more than black fans now....i mean i can only say eminem, because i dont know many other white rappers whose had a terrible life, bubba sparxx is the only other white rapper that comes to mind, and i dont think he had such a bad life, of course ive never bought any of his records so i couldnt say, but eminem has done wonders for the hip hop community, has opened a lot of doors for other people, so i would say hes def a good spokesperson in a "predominately black culture"
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just because white people are the ones buying it the most, its still a black culture, if it was white culture, they wouldn't have to "dig" or check for it, you don't grow up and hear hip-hop all through the house like Black people do, or soul music if your a little older, its still a Black culture, and everything about it, from the clothes to the topics to the beats, etc. is deep rooted in Black culture

no disrespect intended
 
well i think both can get clowned, if they are wack

but as a white producer, it is easier to be a white producer than a rapper
 
hip hop is for everyone regardless of race. I am black and eminem is in my top 5 dead or alive (despite encore). White people in rap want a problem till vanilla ice. Beastie Boys and Rick Rubin in the 80s made extremely valuable contributions to hip hop. The reason that it is more of an issue with rappers is simply their visibility in relation to producers. Me and you mite think Scott Storch and JR Rotem are house hold names but they aren't.
 
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