Trinidad James Says Atlanta Runs New York...

Time for Papoose to go in on Trinidad James. He's one of the few last New York artists cut from the lyricist cloth. I got family in New York but it is what is. New York lost it's identity. When you got Harlem producing acts like ASAP Rocky and Ferg, how can NYC get offended at what Trinidad James says. I recently spoke to my cousin in Jamaica Queens and he was telling me how Kendrick Lamar and them TDE dudes rap like the Old New York. We both thought that dude Jay Rock was pretty good also. I saw Troy Ave talk a good game on the breakfast club how he's bringing that old New York sound back but when I listened to his music, I heard a below average rapper. NYC should pass the mic back to all the 30 plus year old rappers like Nas, The Lox, AZ, Ransom, Juelz Santana etc... New York's problem is two fold. Not only have the rappers lost their identity, the producers have also. They dont have their own signature sound to start a movement like in the past. There's no QTip sound, No Large Professor, no Marley Marl Primo, No BomB Squad, No RZA, No Heatmakerz, No Hitmen, Just Blaze Or Kanye West.... Many producers today dont even have that DJ backround that really helps your ear as a producer. They have no overall knowledge of music so it's diificult creating their own signature sound
 
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Future has brought a new way of "thinking" into the songwriting process........it's more than just some T.Pain auto tuning. The style is more upfront than a tool technique
His hooks? "Songwriting Process"...you mean the "hustle Hard" stop/go choruses he does? He's Rick Ross with harmony at best. Again, I'm not knocking dude, just sayin, no idea's that original. If I was to say Drake brought any originality to music it would be just as preposterous.

Again, to say the south runs NYC right now would be a bold statement that I could understand...to say ATL alone runs anything is just as left fields as saying Alabama runs shyt right now. Thanks to tools like the net, regional sounds have bled together thanks to too many influences.

Again, without guys like D. Rich and Lex Luger making the sound that "run's Future's Music" popular, and Guys like Ace Hood, Rick Ross, T-Pain, ect's influences to Future's sound...What would Future be doing right now?

It's not the same as when L.A. could say they ran hip hop because of Deathrow's success with Dre and Snoop and people from all regions wearing khakis and trying to sound like them in the early 90s. It's not like Houston saying they ran music back when Everyone was doing chopped/screwed stuff and Mike Jones/Paul Wall/Bun B were topping charts. It's not like ATL during the Krunk movement when everyone was sounding like Lil Jon.

It's more like Chicago saying they influenced everyone's sound with Chief Keef(who actually sounds like a southern artist for most aspects, yet still has a similar style to Future, not sure which came first), or ATL saying they were running a sound when Lil Jon was making Hyphy stuff with E40(that was a Bay Area sound).

I'm out the loop so I don't know all the names for subgenres in Hip Hop right now, all I'm saying is ATL no longer has a sound. Trinidad James doesn't even "sound ATL". And contributions come from so many places, you cannot say ATL alone has influenced anything recently. Not trying to berate anyone's city, no city can much say they have.
 
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I totally agree about the West and Mid West starting to get some shine in the sun. Lil B, OFWFKTA, Kendrick Lamar, GBE, Tyga, Funk Volume, Tek and the fact that almost any new dance song for hip hop has been coming from the west, not down south. I think we're witnessing a changing of the guard.

Exactly. Everyone you just named is getting big. Mark my words, when Schoolboy Q and Ab-Soul drop their albums, and their cycle comes back around to Jay Rock and Kendrick, TDE is going to be damn near running Hip Hop. Them, Nipsey Hussle, Dom Kennedy (Who both just dropped nice albums) Yg, etc, are all pushing the West Coast up. Notice how fast DJ Mustard and that Bay Area sound is spreading. Chicago has been on FIRE for the past year, and I believe Chance the Rapper's two mixtapes are in the top list of HipHop projects overall to come out within the past year, even better than majority of the albums. The work Funk Volume has been putting in has been amazing too and is finally starting to show. They've been slept on for too long.

The South's obnoxious sound has gone on for far too long for me lol
 
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you cannot say ATL alone has influenced anything recently. Not trying to berate anyone's city, no city can much say they have.

I get what you saying and I agree with that on a technical level.

This is what I'm saying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5DtG15z4KQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb37Nh_Sg4g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU9tE6q97WM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVKWEpAU4HU

Technically if hip hop and R&B started sounding like this all on the radio....technically it is not "dancehall".........and never been classified as such since it's not performed vocally in the style of a dancehall artist. It'll still be "hip hop or R&B". BUT......................it shouldn't take away from the fact it is "influenced" by dancehall. That is what I'm saying. Even if "Timbaland" influence dancehall artist in their style....it's still dancehall "realistically"...not chart wise.

 
Exactly. Everyone you just named is getting big. Mark my words, when Schoolboy Q and Ab-Soul drop their albums, and their cycle comes back around to Jay Rock and Kendrick, TDE is going to be damn near running Hip Hop. Them, Nipsey Hussle, Dom Kennedy (Who both just dropped nice albums) Yg, etc, are all pushing the West Coast up. Notice how fast DJ Mustard and that Bay Area sound is spreading. Chicago has been on FIRE for the past year, and I believe Chance the Rapper's two mixtapes are in the top list of HipHop projects overall to come out within the past year, even better than majority of the albums. The work Funk Volume has been putting in has been amazing too and is finally starting to show. They've been slept on for too long.

The South's obnoxious sound has gone on for far too long for me lol

I've been waiting for the Bay Area to re-emerge since the Hyphy days. I just dont see it happening. Bay area artists dont seem to have that national appeal. I remember someone saying online that Bay Area artists are too grimy in attitude and appearance to have a national audience. If Chief Keef can make it, I dont see how image and appearance can hurt the artist.
 
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I get what you saying and I agree with that on a technical level.

This is what I'm saying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5DtG15z4KQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb37Nh_Sg4g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU9tE6q97WM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVKWEpAU4HU

Technically if hip hop and R&B started sounding like this all on the radio....technically it is not "dancehall".........and never been classified as such since it's not performed vocally in the style of a dancehall artist. It'll still be "hip hop or R&B". BUT......................it shouldn't take away from the fact it is "influenced" by dancehall. That is what I'm saying. Even if "Timbaland" influence dancehall artist in their style....it's still dancehall "realistically"...not chart wise.



So you're saying majority of current hip hop music as we know it originated from an ATL sound? Not trying to put words in your mouth, just trying to figure out if we're on the same page.

If you are saying that, while I can't agree, I can definitely understand someone making such a bold statement. That's a much bolder statement than what Trinidad said, and if he had said that, i could have at least seen where he was coming from.
 
So you're saying majority of current hip hop music as we know it originated from an ATL sound? Not trying to put words in your mouth, just trying to figure out if we're on the same page.

Saying anything that tries to capture the feel and be presented to someone who wants that feel may or may not know "BY NOW" that the sound is an ATL sound. We are talking 10 years from Jeezy saying "trap" 1,000 times........ to the internet swarming the sound...... to Kane and various others getting mainstream success working with artist outside of Atlanta.......to more and more people wanting that sound from the success of a producer hooking up with an ATL rapper......to Pop rappers like Kanye and Jay-Z seeing the "street popularity" of beats like that.........to dubstep posers trying to mix elements of this "trap sound" into what they were trying to do.......to today with Jay-Z wanting a "street sound" and the street sound of today is called "trap".

The bottom line of it all................how CAN'T it be the ATL sound if a person is calling it trap? The slang word trap comes from the ATL.....

This wasn't called trap.....crunk......snap................................https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9wA1KmwnzQ
"Godby Rd.......is where I trap".

We all know everywhere else wasn't making music like that. N.O had their thing. Lil Jon INTRODUCED a styled used in the ATL to the world and "coined" the term.......he didn't invent the term of the music style. Lil Jon'll tell you. When he said.."who you with get crunk who you with" that was an ATL thing...not a lil Jon thing. Lil Jon however made a lot of money off that word Crunk...which was a smart move...it got him paid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crblhULoOMs

Shit has evolved.....still the same feel though.


They call it trap.............well "trap" is some ATL shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUoE-3apR8s
lol......that was a subliminal message back then.


Want some more evolution of the ATL sound? Well........2014 watch what happens....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5EX9dQe1s0
Where was T.Pain? He gets credit for the misuse of Autotune in the "urban" market though. :cheers:
 
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I've been waiting for the Bay Area to re-emerge since the Hyphy days. I just dont see it happening. Bay area artists dont seem to have that national appeal. I remember someone saying online that Bay Area artists are too grimy in attitude and appearance to have a national audience. If Chief Keef can make it, I dont see how image and appearance can hurt the artist.

Lots of good Bay Cats that have National appeal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Rl-6lHRhEQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFOMwifiA9c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzh8bvb_QnI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmOQPYcAexw
 

Erk and Philty Rich been putting in work for a minute now. I love the beats. I root for every artist from the Bay because many of these dudes were born in shitty conditions. Philty Rich's mom abandoned him as a child. I dont think he's a great rapper but he's still got that star appeal. My potna's play stuff like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qhp_hZbkSM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IhBVi8qfF8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TL7AWVUYXWc
 
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