This is what happens when you give away your beats...

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SFTRAXX

West Coast Rap Producer
So Yesterday I made a post for "beat selling websites". Being the dude that I am I shared that same post on a few different forums and peep the response I received here. Now to be honest I could give a f**k how these cats feel but I thought I'd share this response with you guys and show you the mentality that exists inside the mind of these 'aspiring' rappers...

Now, I aint saying all dudes think like this, but when you, the producer, play yourself by giving away your stuff and jockin m$#haF**kaz you invite this mentality and add to the devaluation of your craft.

Something to think about.
 
Yuck I remember when I used to be on that site. Those fools are all wack don't sweat those lames. None of those dudes have flow so their opinion yields little.
 
Reading that thread makes me rage. Not just as a producer, but as a rapper. F****** disgraceful. Seriously.

I can't imagine how shitty their raps or their beats that get sent to them for "free" (stolen, in quantities of 200!) are!
 
You don't see aspiring R&B artist act like that or say shit like that. They either can sing or scared they will get laughed at. If they know they can't sing, they don't bother. And it takes real work to make something out of it. Rap is very different. Another beat, another batch of hot shit on it. Not hot shit like it's good lyrics but hot shit like great dane doo doo on the concrete during the summer.
 
901_Rice_Street said:
You don't see aspiring R&B artist act like that or say shit like that. They either can sing or scared they will get laughed at. If they know they can't sing, they don't bother. And it takes real work to make something out of it. Rap is very different. Another beat, another batch of hot shit on it. Not hot shit like it's good lyrics but hot shit like great dane doo doo on the concrete during the summer.
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Exactly. I would kill to be able to sing. **** rap, that is where the music opens up. If you can sing you can do lots of types of music depending on your vocal range. I try to practice, but, I need lots of work. It's all true though, either you can sing or you can't.
 
Wow, FP ain't that bad compared to that site.

Geez...

I think every top song on Soundclick has a Free DL link though and that's part of the criteria that makes it's a chart topper. Sad ish.
 
that same thread got a much better response here. I think I'll stick around
 
Sadly, that's what web forum and twitter culture will become...

You try to help people and because they're anonymous they decide to see how much of an idiot they can be to impress the other idiots.

They'll win because a lot of people just want somebody to take the time to rap on one of their beats. I was told the same things that are in that thread by a guy that was 15 years old. He could barely rap at the time and was super shy. Now he's in Cali doing it for real (in his 20's now) - videos and all. He stole beats at first but eventually started to make his own. So he never did pay for beats.
 
Errrrr... That one guy who said "**** paying" has "Just a Hobbyist" below his name. I think there are far fewer of THOSE types on this site.
 
In regards to the original poster i would say let this be more of an example of the extreme bad that can happen with free beats and not necessarily the norm. the problem isn't automatically that your giving away free beats and thus devaluing yourself as much as it is not making a real connection with anybody.

going on website to mass advertise a beat or collab usually doesn't lead to anything substantial as far as networking goes. usually best you get are a bunch of worthless comments ("beat sucks", "beats hot now check out mine" etc) and the occassional guy that comes up and takes the download but doesn't give you a version of the finish project. It will probably be on someones mixtape in alabama somewhere and you won't know anything about it let alone be able to use it on your resume and being that 99% of the time getting free beats out is in an effort to build a track record to establish yourself, isn't really helpful.

I am in no way saying that you have to personally shake every rappers hand that you want to work with, what i am saying is find a more personal way to make connectioins on the net.

its 2011 and every artist you could imagine is available on twitter, good ones. Your tracks are good, why waste your energy and craft on no name scrub artist most of whom you haven't even heard to determine if they even know how to rap.

I know when people first get in the producer game (im not talking specifically to you sf, you could be a vet for all i know) they're main concern is making sure there music isn't stolen, that beats aren't taken without proper payment or credit. the worry should be that you have subpar artist on good beats since thats 10X worse.

im pretty sure none of them cats on that forum are anybody you'd want to put on a song to have represent your production skills. don't sweat it.
 
Confession: I once stole a Soundclick layout from PhotoBucket... it was pretty tight too. The guy that had it before had changed his layout though... so I'm good.

There is no honor on the web.
 
joey tunez said:
In regards to the original poster i would say let this be more of an example of the extreme bad that can happen with free beats and not necessarily the norm. the problem isn't automatically that your giving away free beats and thus devaluing yourself as much as it is not making a real connection with anybody.

going on website to mass advertise a beat or collab usually doesn't lead to anything substantial as far as networking goes. usually best you get are a bunch of worthless comments ("beat sucks", "beats hot now check out mine" etc) and the occassional guy that comes up and takes the download but doesn't give you a version of the finish project. It will probably be on someones mixtape in alabama somewhere and you won't know anything about it let alone be able to use it on your resume and being that 99% of the time getting free beats out is in an effort to build a track record to establish yourself, isn't really helpful.

I am in no way saying that you have to personally shake every rappers hand that you want to work with, what i am saying is find a more personal way to make connectioins on the net.

its 2011 and every artist you could imagine is available on twitter, good ones. Your tracks are good, why waste your energy and craft on no name scrub artist most of whom you haven't even heard to determine if they even know how to rap.

I know when people first get in the producer game (im not talking specifically to you sf, you could be a vet for all i know) they're main concern is making sure there music isn't stolen, that beats aren't taken without proper payment or credit. the worry should be that you have subpar artist on good beats since thats 10X worse.

im pretty sure none of them cats on that forum are anybody you'd want to put on a song to have represent your production skills. don't sweat it.
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I wasn't offering 'free beats' or even my beats. I was just suggesting other sites to get beats on besides Soundclick.

I just thought the response was.............:rolleyes:
 
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Dammit....I'm going in!

"Sooooo............................why aren't you famous?" :rofl:

Wow! It's like giving a flyer for the grand opening of a restaurant to a fat high school drop out who's momma feeds him and abundance of spaghettios and chopped up winnies every Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday. I can see dude with sauce around his mouth and all on his white shirt saying "soooooooooooooo...........why you don't ride in a limo?"


"Who buys beat?" :rofl:

That's an obvious question from a 5 time undisputed heavyweight karaoke champion. :rofl: They were seriously asking. "I mean.... like..... why in the world would someone buy a beat that didn't already have lyrics on them?"


"Free spaghettios FTW!"


Then some ninja out of nowhere says "hey.........you.............(makes swoosh swoosh noise as he swings his plastic sword) I'm ninjaman ..............................(swoosh swoosh....spit..spit..hiiiiyaaaaaaa)!


"Wow.........MF's on the net are ungrateful cats."


"Because we like speghettios?"

Then ninjaman says....(swoosh swoosh...spit..spit...) I don't have to pay to eat at a restaurant, both of my next door neighbors give my momma a wheel barrels full of sphagettios the other day sucka". (swoosh...swoosh...spit...spit)

"I have to steal spaghettio from my neighbors. damn paying for them."

"I'm going to hang around......I know someone is going to bring everybody some speghettios and we can laugh at this guys flyer"
 
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901_Rice_Street said:
Dammit....I'm going in!

"Sooooo............................why aren't you famous?" :rofl:

Wow! It's like giving a flyer for the grand opening of a restaurant to a fat high school drop out who's momma feeds him and abundance of spaghettios and chopped up winnies every Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday. I can see dude with sauce around his mouth and all on his white shirt saying "soooooooooooooo...........why you don't ride in a limo?"


"Who buys beat?" :rofl:

That's an obvious question from a 5 time undisputed heavyweight karaoke champion. :rofl: They were seriously asking. "I mean.... like..... why in the world would someone buy a beat that didn't already have lyrics on them?"


"Free spaghettios FTW!"


Then some ninja out of nowhere says "hey.........you.............(makes swoosh swoosh noise as he swings his plastic sword) I'm ninjaman ..............................(swoosh swoosh....spit..spit..hiiiiyaaaaaaa)!


"Wow.........MF's on the net are ungrateful cats."


"Because we like speghettios?"

Then ninjaman says....(swoosh swoosh...spit..spit...) I don't have to pay to eat at a restaurant, both of my next door neighbors give my momma a wheel barrels full of sphagettios the other day sucka". (swoosh...swoosh...spit...spit)

"I have to steal spaghettio from my neighbors. damn paying for them."

"I'm going to hang around......I know someone is going to bring everybody some speghettios and we can laugh at this guys flyer"
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Lmfao. I thoroughly enjoy these stories.
 
So the question is after reading that thread...

... who are you making beats for?

Every post was pretty negative and I heard something like this this morning. It said that people can influence other people to do stuff they may not want to do... like they asked these people some questions and told some of the smarter people to give the wrong answers and the other people heard them... so after awhile everybody was giving the wrong answers because the perceived smart people had influenced them.

It seems that the mentality in that thread is going to cause people to feel stupid for paying for beats... and then it'll spread around.

It's almost like what happened to myspace.... why did everybody leave myspace? because everybody else did. Ditched all of their "friends" to be a part of the FaceBook herd. All of your FB friends are leaving for Google + soon too because somebody is going to say it's "cooler"

The "U Dumb For Paying For Beats" plague will sweep the Hip Hop Nation... (possibly, if people keep reading that stuff)
 
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ROME IS 100% RIGHT on the people following the influential ones
this is the problem with 99% of peoples opinions on gear.
People love gear from the "good ol days" because they were the best gear around at the time
or hate new over hyped gear because "they heard" this or that about it (mind you never actually using it really using the item themselves or even trying beyond a few keytaps at a guitar center).

unchallenged, the notion goes on to be regarded as fact.
(see any mpc arguement after 2007 for example).
 
joey tunez said:
ROME IS 100% RIGHT on the people following the influential ones
this is the problem with 99% of peoples opinions on gear.
People love gear from the "good ol days" because they were the best gear around at the time
or hate new over hyped gear because "they heard" this or that about it (mind you never actually using it really using the item themselves or even trying beyond a few keytaps at a guitar center).

unchallenged, the notion goes on to be regarded as fact.
(see any mpc arguement after 2007 for example).
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Yep, it seemed like the majority of those dudes in that thread weren't against paying for beats because they were broke... they were against it because that's what they're being influenced to do now... by each other. (Think skinny jeans.... who could get somebody to wear skinny jeans!?!?)

It's like knowing that you can get any cracked program you want... but something inside still tells you that you'll actually stifle innovation by doing it because you're hurting a company who's product you like.

So the cheap rapper is probably going to eventually turn away some people that would've been in it for the long haul and would've given them quality product so the can make a quality investment. But the BEATS ARE FREEEEE cause the crack cost money! attitude is going to keep things in disarray.

... but I have to admit, the free dl's are top quality and normally are the going style of music at the moment. So I guess people have to put on a different business hat or something. Maybe learn as much about being a manager or label chief as they did about oscillators, compression and scales.

Crazy times.
 
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Free is good. It keeps all of those little runts fenced in. Majority of them know they are not good enough because the person that's "better than them" is not good enough. Free stuff has this sound that sirens "oh I was just messing around" even when it sounds O.K. Where as something on sale may not be as great "at first" as the stuff that's rotated, but it's something about it that makes a person spend money. It could be a show performance on their website, could be some sexy ass lady that appears to treat them like a god on a video, could be the way the person acts and the stuff their is talking about in an interview.......then a person might listen to the music in a whole new light. But these spaghettio ass people don't get it........so they continue to get beats for free and post their b.s on datpiff and places like that with the same crowd commenting. It's always been more than the music in hip hop...it was something else that grab the attention along with the music. The reason why commercials may have a classic song or a singer as the theme and you think about the food and the song....song and the food.



All icey and sexy and shit.
 
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50 Tyson is their inspiration though...

cause he ain't gon lie.


A LOT of people think they can make it in Hip Hop because if you see a dude that speaks like Gucci and has a ice cream cone on his face and some other dudes that sound like they can't read a Burger King menu throwing money on girls that are "in college" then they all of sudden get a big dose of inspiration and they can dream all they want as long as 106 and Park stays on the air.

They set the bar so low in rap, everybody can see themselves hurdling it while still having a cell phone conversation and eating a cheeseburger.

It's closer than ever! I see so many depressed looking girls singing on YouTube it's ridiculous. Nobody is going to come to Taterville, Idaho to give you a recording contract because you sing Nicesty like Michelle' in the 90's..... but it happened for Soulja Boy and Justin Bieber.... and now Riff Raff.

Riff Raff got some cuts, I don't care what you say, lol. (None that I would play though)... something called Larry Bird is what I heard one day.
 
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