spanish reggae means reggaton right? then...........

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then why do artist say that those 1 drop bass beats are puerto rican made?

say for instance

murder she wrote- shabba ranks
dem bow-shabba ranks
trailer load of girls-shabba ranks


the beats that you hear spanish reggae artist wear out and only use makes people think those beats are puerto rican and etc made? what's the deal my beef is i was playing a dancehall track and it was the same as any reggaeton beat but a dancehall artist the puerto rican dude says that dancehall producers are stealing our beats and basslines i almost got heated what's up what yall think.
 
Just a correction. Murder She Wrote is by Chaka Demus and Pliers.

I first heard about Reggaeton about 5 months ago. When I heard it, I was suprised it was so much like dancehall. Just the fact that's its called reggaeton lets you know that they got the beats from dancehall. I feel just as irritated when people call those R. Kelly dancehall tunes hip hop.
 
you don't know what you're talking about reggaeton is nothing like dancehall and it's mainly dominican not puerto rican and where the hell did you get murder she wrote from
 
impovize118 said:
you don't know what you're talking about reggaeton is nothing like dancehall and it's mainly dominican not puerto rican and where the hell did you get murder she wrote from
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i don't know- every thing i have ever heard that i heard people term "reggaeton", including a whole video show that used to come on cable in Miami sounded EXACTLY like a bunch of Spanish cats trying to sound Jamaican in Spanish, DJing with Jamaican DJ inflections in Spanish, and the beats (which were virtually indistinguisable) were basically just a direct rip of the poco style riddims from the early 90s in dancehall...

in additional all the earliest the spanish reggae DJs that I heard (El General, etc.) were all Panamanian
 
you don't know what you're talking about reggaeton is nothing like dancehall and it's mainly dominican not puerto rican and where the hell did you get murder she wrote from


>>>that's were they get there beats from like the man said.
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http://www.musicofpuertorico.com/en/genre_reggaeton.html

reggaeton is not mainly dominican maybe in GEORGIA reggaeton started in panama from jamaicans migrtating there they have the roots. but then puerto rican artist started using it read this.

Reggaeton is a relatively new genre of dance music that has become popular in Puerto Rico over the last decade. The name is derived from the reggae music of Jamaica which influenced reggaeton's dance beat. Reggaeton was also heavily infuenced by other Puerto Rican music genres and by urban hip-hop music craze in the United States.

The variety of musical influences on the development of reggaeton led one observer (James Farber of the NY Daily News) to call it a "cultural polyglot".

As is the case with hip-hop music in the United States, reggaeton appeals primarily to youths. In Puerto Rico, youths were inspired to create reggaeton, after hearing Panamanian artists performing raps in Spanish styled after Jamaican dance-hall raps, adding native bomba and salsa, rhythms. The result can be heard in this example:
 
even a puerto dude admitted that in musicof puertorico.com forum.

http://www.musicofpuertorico.com/cgi-bin/cutecast/cutecast.pl?


the reason why reggaeton is nothing like dancehall is beacuse they only use those same beats over and over and yeah add some samples we got mad beats.

here are some reggae-riddims that have been heard and have not been heard to the american ear that are not to old and old!

http://212.202.251.207/scripts/rr.dll

http://raddy73.tripod.com/riddims.html [url]http://koti.mbnet.fi/maple/st1_fav.html
 
I thought El General is Costa Rican. 'Cause in "Pum Pum" he says in spanish that Costa Rica is the happening place or something like that. And what about those European reggae cats like Seeed n dem French ones? They reggaeton too?
 
reggaeton means spanish reggae. panama domican rep. puerto rico, etc.
personally i don't know why they use esp if some of those latinos are racist to blacks/w.i

el generals from panama, i have not heard any french style dancehall just reggae reggae, read this article..

pum pum is a word many dancehall artist use and i think alot of puerto ricans say it but probably don't know what it means.


http://www.harlemlive.org/arts-culture/religion/rootsofspanishreggae/rootsofspanishreggae.html
 
Ok let me clarify a few things here..first of all I'm Panamanian so I can tell you that spanish reggae originated here (Panama). The first official spanish reggae song is El DENI wich was sang by Renato. The song is about what can the DENI do for a woman who was beat by her husband.DENI means Departamento Nacional de Investigaciones or National Investigations Department in english. It has a jamaican dancehall riddim. Jamaican riddims were regularly used althought some panamanian riddims were already been used too. I can´t tell how it went to PR but I want to make clear that the term "Reggaeton" is a puertorican term used to call their type of reggae music. Panamanian reggae is based on certain riddim (wich I think is "bow dat" or something like that) and Puertorican reggae is based on "Dem Bow". So former Panamanian reggae was dancehall but it gradually developed into a completly diferent type of reggae (referring to riddims).
Puertoricans have never been into dancehall. They were into Rap, Hip Hop, R&B + Dembow = Reggaeton. Modern Reggaeton has added dance & trance to the blend.

El General is Panamanian.
Pum Pum means Pussy or butt but is not commonly used.
Panamanians are not racist we actually live in a mixed society where you find blacks, asians, whites, latins, jews, moslems, catholics, protestants, hindus etc living together in peace.

Panamanian reggae is well heard internationaly in South and Central America and Europe. But Reggaeton is having a big boost because its being promoted in the US mainly (the biggest market in the region). Panamanian reggae has lost popularity even between ourselves. Actually we, Panamanians, are producing songs using jamaican riddims with the same flow but in spanish and most of the latest productions are using reggaeton riddims(riddims based on Dem Bow) made by Panamanians to try to re-gain popularity and market. There's even one Panamanian: Latin Fresh who is singing in PR. He has a song with a puertorican artist wich is called "Donde estan las Giales?" (Where are the Gals?)

That'a all I have to say...for now
Thanks
 
remember-(poco man jam riddim) and of course dem bow riddim and similar one

from 2002
topatop riddim( lady saw-baddest girl on the block

alozade-nah tolerate(hydro riddim)


panamian riddims? what it sound like

Panamanian reggae is based on certain riddim (wich I think is "bow dat" or something like that

>>>>>got sound clips of it



okay bigups but my main argument is that many pr thinks that the beats that originate from jamaica comes from puerto rico and let me tell you they say it's salsa blended in it i can't hear it all i hear is the reggae beats and some various samples i actually heard a celia cruz salsa song with a reggae beat that reggaeton uses now if they say reggaeton is a blend of salsa then that's the way it should sound it seems like they are clueless about it now i saw the source tv show or whatever it's called on the WB and they say it's hip hop influence.

aiight you say you did not know how it got to puerto rico? read that link at musicofpuertorico.com and they'll tell you that after hearing panamian artist on the radio then they thought they can do it too but if panama never started reggae in spanish there would be no reggaeton just hip hop and salsa in puerto rico.

panamian bwoy i consider panamians fam cause alot of panamians are of west indian descent (and panama is a home to many west indians) also along with the blacks that were already they before jamaicans and etc arrived around the canl building!

if you ask me panamians should come back to dancehall change your label to spanish dancehall(i got a couple of mix dancehall cds with el general tracks on it) and help create more riddims but you know what if yall started to get popular others will bite, im not starting nothing between panamians and puerto ricans.

****but you know when your own type of spanish reggae is going out of style it aint good and that's a bad thing what

yall need is some revitaliztion, and yes i agree the reason why reggaeton is getting popular is because puerto ricans in the united states from new york and miami.

_you know what else is funny dude i read an article about that elephant man song
jook gal with that (coolie riddim) the chic who wrote an article on it says it has a reggaeton influence cause of it's one drop bass beats*(only if they knew where it comes from, i personally don't think there is a puerto rican beat even though people do say so)*i got real pissed so i wrote her back till this day i try to find the link by using search so i can show other people.

you said
Panamanians, are producing songs using jamaican riddims with the same flow but in spanish and most of the latest productions are using reggaeton riddims(riddims based on Dem Bow) made by Panamanians to try to re-gain popularity and market. There's even one Panamanian: Latin Fresh who is singing in PR. He has a song with a puertorican artist wich is called "Donde estan las Giales?" (Where are the Gals

what are some tight panamian artist using dancehall beats that are popular or good?


check some of these:
http://www.jamrid.com/Riddims.htm

reggae-riddims.com _ then in the welcome box, click on *riddim pages* in the thanks paragraph there are some dope riddims unknown to the american ear.

for mixes dancehall soca hip and reggae
audiomaxxx.com

http://www.elmonga.com/files/middles.html

which do you thik is better reggaeton oe dancehall reggae? production wise, dances, and etc
 
topatop riddim....I love that one!
I you hear some old panamanian reggae you will see what I mean!

I dont think those beats comes from pr
and believe me its not salsa blended... there are some songs that have salsa beats but only a few (ex..Metele Sazon by Tego Calderon). I think the way of singing was the only part of it influenced by hip hop. I have to say too that some hip hop and rap fill ins were used by panamanians and pricans a few time ago but that was for a short time.

***if panama never started reggae in spanish there would be no reggaeton just hip hop and salsa in puerto rico***

youre right man! thats it!

Well thank you..We panamanians are a blend of just everything. From my father's side: My granpa was Italian my grandma is Irish American. From my mother's : my grandpa is westindian and my grandma is white...both are from the interior..the country side.
So im a blend of quite a few etnies.

I totally agree..we should go back to dancehall. Productions were better. Lyrics were great. And let me tell you we have great artists for dancehall
Thats the best thing we can do to revitalize our reggae...go back to dancehall. And yes its a bad thing cause it hurts in the heart when you realize whats going on. Theres even a song about whats happening..its called No al Reggaeton (No to reggaeton) by Danger Man & Japannese


*****the chic who wrote an article on it says it has a reggaeton influence cause of it's one drop bass beats*****
You know...the problem with these people that writes about reggae is that they dont know **** about it.

*****what are some tight panamian artist using dancehall beats that are popular or good***
Danger Man, Japannese, Jr Ranks, Principal (great song on the coolie dance r) Kafu Banton (he is singing with a roots band called Raices y cultura (roots & culture ) and many more) You should listen to Renato on the Outlaw riddim quite old but great song "Quiero ser tu dueño"

Thanks for the links Ill sure check em!
Well talking about production wise I prefer reggaeton cause the production involves more knowledge of music itself and each song has a unique riddim. Dances...well we dance reggaeton and dancehall almost the same way...but we like to do the special moves :D row di boat ..signal di plane...parachute...But for what i see on videos I prefer dancehall..ya know the rub a dub hahah
 
terelle said:



>>>that's were they get there beats from like the man said.
reggaeton_1_sm.jpg



http://www.musicofpuertorico.com/en/genre_reggaeton.html

reggaeton is not mainly dominican maybe in GEORGIA
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I live in Georgia during the school year, I actually live in Savannah, just like him, and I can honestly say I have never heard any reggaeton at all here. But in New York it's everywhere. Does it really matter who dicovered Reggaton or whatever? I really don't care, didn't know panamanians discovered it. I haven't even heard a lot of panamanians playing it, most are Puerto Rican, Cuban, and Dominican. I learn something new everytime I come here.
 
Back 1985 Vico-C came out with what today is known as Reggaeton back in thse days it was called Under ground rap, Its language was not redio friendly, from there The Noize 1 made by playero dj simply exploded to the point that radio station could not deny the growth this music was havin i dont know about Panama being the land were reggaeton was born but in Puerto rico Reggaeton is a new word for Under ground rap
 
I had a bad day, ignore my rant.
 
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YoungSketch

Does it really matter who dicovered Reggaton or whatever? I really don't care, didn't know panamanians discovered it.
Easy nuh. Dancehall is well established. No need to fear Reggeaton. The very name "Reggaeton" suggests that they acknowledge where them roots come from.

Lets not forget how dancehall has developed over the years and how we have incoporporated beats, samples and sounds from other genres. Some riddims are straight out of the far east. We got the whole bangla and chiney ting goin on.

Ease up nuh man and keep producin & enjoyin
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silkydark said:
Some riddims are straight out of the far east. We got the whole bangla and chiney ting goin on.

Ease up nuh man and keep producin & enjoyin
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just a technical note;

chiney is jamaican, his parents were jamaican and chinese, but he is born and raised JA.

my biggest complaint about reggaeton (this morning) is that it contributes abso-f*ckin-lutely nothing to dancehall, it just takes riddims and puts vocals over them.

to me, dancehall is first and formost about the riddim. once you have a hot riddim, hot vocals get put on it.

as reggaeton simply takes top 40 dancehall riddims and voices over them, rarely if ever giving any props to the original riddim producers, i dont see why people feel obligated to let it get away with that.

if any one of the reggaeton 'artists' who thieve riddims to move tracks did it while living in JA, throats would be slit before dawn.

and as for the artists who produce their own riddims, why call it reggae-anything? they have been producing their own riddims and voicing over them for what, 20 years? no one called it reggaeton then. 'reggaeton' is a marketing concept. if dancehall wasnt making waves on MTV, it would still just be 'street rap' in its countries of origin, which is what most reggaeton artists described it as for years and years.

but now, because its got 'reggae' in the name, i cant listen to the radio here in NYC without hearing bloodclot reggaeton mixed into my dancehall shows.

the whole point of a multicultural society is that it allows these cultures to be enjoyed in their original form. the strength of that society can be measured in its ability to allow the healthy hybridization of those cultures without the dilution of their original forms.

reggaeton's infection of the dancehall scene in nyc is like watching cancer work its way into bone. and when you try to stand up and say "no, this isnt dancehall, its not reggae, get it out of the bloodclot mix", allllll the village idiots stand up and in one singular voice renounce me as racist.

bloodclot.
 
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