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I agree 100%
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**** it, everybody has their own opinions. this could go on for days.
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arun
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I think music should be listened to, enjoyed, and appreciated.
I also think that b!tching about what somebody ELSE likes or dislikes is pointless and idiotic.
I also think that b!tching about what somebody ELSE likes or dislikes is pointless and idiotic.
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arun said:
I hereby announce the threadwinner.
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arun said:
Your absolutly right!
But it's like a musty cab driver. If you don't wan't to take the time to wash your azz, fine...
But don't force me to smell your sh*t!
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blakkshel
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Frost-RAVEN said:
If you can't hear the bottom end in this song then I assume you have never been to a hip-hop club and that song is played. Or have never listened to the song in a car with a decent stereo system. A song does not have to have a "bassline" to have bottom end.
Isn't that what we all strive for, to be able to practice our art and get paid for it? I am sure that when Pharrels children and grandchildren inherit his money, they will not be concerned that Pharrel did not quantize enough. You dudes are starting to sound like snooty old women. Like i said before stop trying to analyze music that is not made for you.
I personally listen to different types of music depending on my mood. Now after a long weeks work, if I am in the club I want 2 things. Music that will make me want to dance, and music that will make the chick that I am dancing with shake her ass. If these 2 goals are met, do you think I, or anyone else in the club give a damn if the beat is not quantized or if it follows music theory or not? Maybe if you actually paid attention to what the people want and not what you and you nerdy producer pals discuss on chatboards, you could actually get somewhere. And the "simple music for simple people" comment is lame bruh. It actually shows how simple you are to turn a discussion into a rock throwing contest. Anywayz, I have a meeting to go to, and I refuse to be late messing with yall cats.
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blakkshel
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Or you could just take another cab, or better yet buy your own car..........
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"Never mind if it sucks, long as there's bass people will want to dance to it"
If that aint simple I don't know what is?
I'm throwing red pills at you dudes. I do it because I love you...
"NOW ER' BODY IN DA CLUB GET TIPSY"
ha ha!
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blakkshel said:
what's the point when you own ever car company?
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blakkshel
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Ok. I would like to hear what you Bravo feel is an example of a well produced song (hip-hop preferably). Even though I am enjoying this little discussion, I would also like to see your perspective, and maybe then I could see your point. Actually, I would like to see anyones example of their idea of well produced hip-hop...........
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First of all please understand I'm a very BIG fan of Pharell, N.E.R.D to be specific. As well, I completely understand, realate to and admire to his unorthodox appoach to "hip hop production."
I'll even go as far to say that there are elements I like about "Drop it like itls hot", but I will say that at the end of the day it's the producer's job to oversee the entire song.
Since conversing in this thread I've payed closer attention to the song and I've noticed the major producion flaw lies not so much with the chessyness of the beat but in the way Snoop delivered his verse over the track. This is a matter of opinon but I feel Snoop's verse and the track did not compliment each other as a well produced hip hop song should. I acutally felt Snoop was the wrong person for that track.
You can get away with a less than stellar beat if the vocals (which are just an important to hip hop production as a kick/snare.) are picking up the slack. Or vice versa, you can get away with a lesser quality verse, if there are elements in the instumentation that fill the void and bring the song along.
Now, me not being the producer of that song makes my comment worth about as much as an used condom, but hopefully my perspective will contribute to the industry what I feel it is missing... which is producing creative, quality music, for the sake of good listening and not just throwing big industry names togather for the sake of selling and merchandising.
I liken the current state of hip hop music to the 2004 Lakers roster. You can bring togather all the big names you want, but if they don't play togather in harmony...?
Disaster!
DOE'S ANYONE ELSE NOT SEE THAT THE BRANDING AND COMMERCIALIZATION OF HIP HOP HAS ABSOLUTLEY PUSHED THE MUSIC TO THE BACKBURNER?
I'll spare myself the finger cramps of listing every example of classic hip hop production. Instead I can think of one song in current rotation (even though I'm sick of hearing it) that embodies a more sincere exhibition hip hop music...and that is "Breathe" by Fabolous...
Not the best song in the world but for a song like this to receive heavy radio rotation amidst the more dance favorable and crunk flavor of the moment...for me was a breath of fresh air (no pun intended).
But with all things come change. In a couple of decades (maybe less) we'll find ourselves in old smokey underground clubs, sipping fine imported liquor, nodding our heads to what we'll describe was good ol' hip hop just the way our fathers and grandfather remember Jazz...
I ask to you blak' what is your history with hip hop?
CubaseRox
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I am 31 now, and my history with hip-hop dates back to the early 80's. I didnt really listen to it fully until Run-DMC dropped "Sucker MC's" back in '83.
I have seen it from the basic drum beat and MC all the way up til now. Hip-Hop has been in a constant transitional phase. Like any other genre it is evolving. Listen to the pop music of the 80's and today, its like night and day.
I feel the corporate industry (labels) has somewhat corrupted the audience by forcing people to like certain things. For instance a lot of kids today would like a certain song just because a radio jock says "its hot". But to all the people like us (producers and such) we tend to think for ourselves and not go by what radio jocks say. (Which is why this thread has some controversy over the Pharrel beat).
I guess you can say we are superior to the corporations that like to corrupt music.
Just my 2 cents.
I have seen it from the basic drum beat and MC all the way up til now. Hip-Hop has been in a constant transitional phase. Like any other genre it is evolving. Listen to the pop music of the 80's and today, its like night and day.
I feel the corporate industry (labels) has somewhat corrupted the audience by forcing people to like certain things. For instance a lot of kids today would like a certain song just because a radio jock says "its hot". But to all the people like us (producers and such) we tend to think for ourselves and not go by what radio jocks say. (Which is why this thread has some controversy over the Pharrel beat).
I guess you can say we are superior to the corporations that like to corrupt music.
Just my 2 cents.
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CubaseRox said:I am 31 now, and my history with hip-hop dates back to the early 80's. I didnt really listen to it fully until Run-DMC dropped "Sucker MC's" back in '83.
I have seen it from the basic drum beat and MC all the way up til now. Hip-Hop has been in a constant transitional phase. Like any other genre it is evolving. Listen to the pop music of the 80's and today, its like night and day.
I feel the corporate industry (labels) has somewhat corrupted the audience by forcing people to like certain things. For instance a lot of kids today would like a certain song just because a radio jock says "its hot". But to all the people like us (producers and such) we tend to think for ourselves and not go by what radio jocks say. (Which is why this thread has some controversy over the Pharrel beat).
I guess you can say we are superior to the corporations that like to corrupt music.
Just my 2 cents.
I'll see you two cents and raise you a nickle!
In unrelated discussion, I was taking note of your name and thought you'd might be able to offer some insight.
I wanna upgrade my bundle Cubasis to a version that will allow simiultaneous tracking and Midi sync to my other devices...but I'm friggin broke.
I'm looking at Cubase SE for a tag $100. I've heard SX rocks but $600 will max my Visa out.
for someone who's looking for the basics would SE hold me down for a while?
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CubaseRox
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Bravo(1) said:
Hahaha! I see your raise and raise you yet another nickle!
To keep this thread on track: Pharrel makes tight beats!
Yes SE would hold you down like a seat belt! It is basically SX on a slim fast diet. You will only have 48 audio tracks (not that your gonna exceed that) but unlimited MIDI tracks. You wont have the benefit of surround sound mixing. There are a few other features that are missing in SE (mixer features, some FX and VST instruments), but its not anything that will hamper basic nah even significant music production.
I would of gotten SE but my upgrade option from 5 was only $200 so I got SX instead. You can use SE with great results.
Hope this helped!
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CubaseRox said:
Cool deal, I'll cop the SE to get my feets wet...or better yet "Cop it like it's hot"
Surround sound mixing..ooh sound's scary.
Got 4 band EQ and some VST?
Does that "V" sign Pharell makes with his hand stand for VST?
48 tracks should be plenty...Star Tracks that is!
Cubas Rocks, You Rock and that Pharell is one bad mutha...Shut yo mouf!
"WE JUST TALKIN' BOUT PHARELL?!?"
CubaseRox
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I think SE has 4 band EQ, I am not sure about that.
Funny thing is Steinberg wasnt genius enough to list the exact differences of the 2 on the site. (at least there is nothing that I seen thats listed).
Funny thing is Steinberg wasnt genius enough to list the exact differences of the 2 on the site. (at least there is nothing that I seen thats listed).
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CubaseRox said:
yeah me neither. not the best web site in the world.
thanks or the insight though.
CubaseRox
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For sure!!
But at least their product far exceeds the website design!!!!
Your Welcome on the insight detail!
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blakkshel
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Well to answer your question Bravo, I am 29 years of age. I am not saying that I am a throwback to the era of Sugar Hill, but I really became hooked on hip-hop in the 80's when had Big Daddy Kane, Slick Rick and Doug E. Fresh, KRS-ONE, Special Ed on through to Nice N Smooth, Black Sheep, ATCQ, and Poor Righteous Teachers. Now that was a time when there was not too much emphasis on chords and stuff. A rough drumbeat and some cutting here and there. Throw in some samples, and some 808's and plug in a mic, its a wrap! Now to touch on what you said, I do agree that Snoops lyrics are trash, and it is the job of the producer to get the best out of the artist. But I have noticed that in todays society, it does not matter what the lyrics are. As long as the hook is catchy and the beat is hot you got a hit. But these cats are in the game to make money, and I will never hate on them for that.
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How right you are...that's the only point I was trying to make. You're right, can't hate on the $$$, but it's just a shame our kids gotta grow up that way
I just feel like as "future producers" we bare the right and responsibility to do something about it.
I say this thread is a wrap?
Here's to good music...CHEERS!
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