Roland SH-201 vs. JP-8000

[hamburgers]

BTW - you should fix the spelling in your sig - it makes you look gay (not that there's anything wrong with that) - 'laddies' = boys

i'll let balma know

gg


edit: man your battle stations!

 

[Bluedays]

808 makes the laddies and her bubbies pump and pump and pump!

that's an original quote..
fixing the spelling would qualify as "misquoting"!
(it's the idea that counts!)

 

[VexaDJ]

Bluedays I was having a shot a Mome Rath for changing people quotes, not you, but it doesn't really matter - it's all in fun...

hehe soz if I stirred the pot too much guys - I really do love a good argument! (call it grumpy old-man syndrome, if you like) I'm getting one (a 201) and I'll get powerful sounds out of it too, with my grumpy-old-man knowledge of how to drive a synth (admittedly I'll run it through the 606 efx to make it sound even huger). It's not what you use it how you use it and various other cliches fit nicely here.....

neway, peace guys, I like your style!

 

[Bluedays]

Bluedays I was having a shot a Mome Rath for changing people quotes, not you, but it doesn't really matter - it's all in fun...

didn't see Mome's reply!
makes sense now.

it's just that when you post without Quoting, it usually means that you're replying to the previous post!

...I'm getting one (a 201) and I'll get powerful sounds out of it too,
...

it's your money!
you'll regret it, after a couple of hours..

 

[lanlan]

Welp, for a LOT less than a new SH-201, I'll enjoy both my SH-101 and JP-8000 Hell, I can prolly get a used microkorg too...hehe

 

[Array]

The School was the SFTMC (San Francisco Tape Music Center)...Part of the uni there..

Source: 'Electronic and Experimental Music' by Thom Holmes - check it out it will help you learn a bit of history...

The Tape Music Center in Berkeley used Buchla synths, not Moog. In fact, I believe Don Buchla actually worked there for a while.

Another thing: Don't imply that I'm a newbie or that I shop at GC. I am older than most and I can actually remember most of these synths that young blokes drool over these days - most of them got the same cold response that the 201 is currently getting. Fact: synthesists are often guilty of boffinish behaviour. Most got bullied at school.

I guess it's your style of conduct to personally attack people when you cant back up your own arguements.

As for GC - they don't exist in Australia - the music shop that I shop at is a local one, run by members of a BAND (remember those? No? Then get out of your bedroom once in while). Most of the people there hate synths alltogether, so the fact that they were impressed by the sound is of some significance as it means that it sounds different to what they have heard before.... Funny that, a new synth that sounds new. What an idea!!! lol.

Speaking of snobbish attitudes...you seem to take pride in the fact that a store you go to is stocked full of individuals who hate synths, but then you take their opinion regarding the 201 as canon? Guitarists know as much about synths as synthesists know about guitars. I take everything they say with a grain of salt.

Honestly, there is nothing new about the 201. It is based on the v-synth's VA, and it offers nothing new in terms of sound sculpting ability. It's just another lame VA, except it only has 32 slots for patch storage (what is this? the 80's all over again?).

 

[Kojak]

Welp, for a LOT less than a new SH-201, I'll enjoy both my SH-101 and JP-8000 Hell, I can prolly get a used microkorg too...hehe

Send me those 3 and I'll mail you $600.

Guitarists know as much about synths as synthesists know about guitars.

I don't know about you, but I know a pretty good bit about guitars, even more about bass guitars. I use a lot of their effects, so I've tried to learn as much as I can about them. Much in the same way guitarists use synthesizers in their stompboxes.

Honestly, there is nothing new about the 201.

I don't really care for anything "new", I'd just like a good JP clone.

 

[VexaDJ]

I don't mean that they hate synths because they are guitarists - it's because they are live musicians, pianists, etc..... They don't like programmed music.....

And according to Holmes' text, the SFTMC had one of the very fisrt moogs and Bob went there regularly to fix it.... I guess the text is wrong eh (they better take it out of the library then eh?).

In terms of offering something new, the 201 takes away that little distraction called a screen, forcing the musician to use their ears. If you want to use a computer that's fine, but that's not what this bit of kit is about.

Personal attacks? Where? I made the observation that the synths that are being deified in this forum were similarly debunked when they were released - the 101 got called a children's toy and the 8000 was the biggest joke ever at the time. The point is that people always seem to attack new things in this scene, and it's not a new attitude. Now, years later, they are loved for their old-school 'character'. With the 101, 'character' means 'mud'. That's why I've relegated mine to the back room....

We are working with technology, and the nature of technology is that it improves!! Would you rather drive the latest model car or a 'classic'?

Neway, I'm finished with this thread (made my point), feel free to attack me as much as you want; I really do not care.

 

[Array]

I don't know about you, but I know a pretty good bit about guitars, even more about bass guitars. I use a lot of their effects, so I've tried to learn as much as I can about them. Much in the same way guitarists use synthesizers in their stompboxes.

So far your lack of knowledge about synths puts you in the guitarist category.....

I don't really care for anything "new", I'd just like a good JP clone.

Then buy the damn JP allready! This is close to the worst voodoo economics that I've seen on this forum! Second only to people who think they NEEEEEED a Triton, Motif, AND Fantom.

I don't mean that they hate synths because they are guitarists - it's because they are live musicians, pianists, etc..... They don't like programmed music.....

Synths can be played live. Apparently you missed the 70's and 80's, where Jean Michael Jarre and Yellow Magic Orchestra put on elaborate live shows, in your quest to become an old codger?

Your "musician friends" seem to have a pretty narrow taste in music as well. Not all music can be played live, and some music REQUIRES programming.

And according to Holmes' text, the SFTMC had one of the very fisrt moogs and Bob went there regularly to fix it.... I guess the text is wrong eh (they better take it out of the library then eh?).

I'll have to check my text tomorrow.

In terms of offering something new, the 201 takes away that little distraction called a screen, forcing the musician to use their ears. If you want to use a computer that's fine, but that's not what this bit of kit is about.

No distractions here, just lots of knobs:

Personal attacks? Where?

I seem to recall something about being a snob and being bullied?

We are working with technology, and the nature of technology is that it improves!! Would you rather drive the latest model car or a 'classic'?

Improvement is not in the lexicon of Korg, Yamaha, or Roland. Rehash and deceptive marketing are.

 

[hamburgers]

haha why am I so retered!

ahahahahaha

 

[lanlan]

Send me those 3 and I'll mail you $600.

Kojak, oops, I thought the SH-201 was $749.99. Welp, I still got the pair cheaper


But on a side note, sure people seem to be hating a lot of new equipment from the big 3. The Juno-D / G are jokes being romplers...at least they kept the SH-201 a (VA) synth...Maybe they'll name the new V-synth... Juno-V that's keeping the name intact with it's use... shoulda left the Juno-D as the RS series and the G as a Fantom XA-lite or something..lol I've been drinking so don't mind me...

some of my babies

 

[Kojak]

So far your lack of knowledge about synths puts you in the guitarist category

What did you say earlier about personal attacks?
I know that I know synths, I can program mine in and out, and I don't think you'll be able to convince me differently.

You strike me as one of those guys who when the new episode of whatever comes out you say it's the worst one ever. I mean if you had seen the release of the JP-8000, I'd think you'd say "ARGH, it's the worst synth roland ever made! they're just using the classsic jupiter name to sell another crappy VA, it's just another crappy run-of-the-mill VA" hell I could even see you saying that about the waldorfs you love.

I mean it might be right about the new MC series and the new juno series, but just because they've made bad products in the past doesn't mean everything they're ever going to make is going to suck. Hell I think the new VP they released is right in line with the vintage series.

Then buy the damn JP allready! This is close to the worst voodoo economics that I've seen on this forum!

I'm not saying I have to have it, I just want to make sure it gets a fair review.

 

[VexaDJ]

ahahahahahahahaha @ waldorf *cough cough*

 

[Array]

Neway, I'm finished with this thread (made my point), feel free to attack me as much as you want; I really do not care.

You strike me as one of those guys who when the new episode of whatever comes out you say it's the worst one ever. I mean if you had seen the release of the JP-8000, I'd think you'd say "ARGH, it's the worst synth roland ever made! they're just using the classsic jupiter name to sell another crappy VA, it's just another crappy run-of-the-mill VA" hell I could even see you saying that about the waldorfs you love.

Actually the JP was one of the first VA's, so, at the time, it would be kind of hard to call it "another crappy VA".

If you ever spend time outside of this forum, you would see that I actually look forward to new releases all the time. Most recenty it has been the Jomox Xbase 999 and the new MacBeth synths.

I'm not saying I have to have it, I just want to make sure it gets a fair review.

The SH201 did get a fair review, way back when it was released as the VA component of the V-Synth. The general consensus is that it sucks.

 

[lanlan]

I mean if you had seen the release of the JP-8000, I'd think you'd say "ARGH, it's the worst synth roland ever made! they're just using the classsic jupiter name to sell another crappy VA, it's just another crappy run-of-the-mill VA" hell I could even see you saying that about the waldorfs you love.

Okay whoa! I will agree here... JP-8000 is a VA from 1996...not many VA's back then, and if my memory serves me right, it's one of Roland first VA.

1996... not even VSTi back then...

 

[Big Brother]

They have the SH-201 at your local music shop, so I wanted to see if anyone that owns or has used a JP8K extensively has gotten to try the roland SH-201. I got to use it a little, and the supersaw and feedback osc sounded good to me, but I was wondering if anyone could make a more informed comparison as I've been contemplating buying a JP-8000/8080 for quite a while, and if the SH could make an acceptable substitute, I don't know if I'd be able to keep myself from buying it.

Hi Kojak

I was browsing the net and came across this article. I have to say I feel sorry for you because the majority of replies are extremely narrow minded, immature and uninformed. I think you got about 2 sensible replies out of 6 pages, lol.

I think what may have happened is that the 'vs' title has attracted many who are just itching for an argument. Also, some JP owners might get defensive when they see this (sad but true).

This is why some people who haven't played it are slating it, and also there are people slating it after using it for an hour.

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The fact of the matter is:

On paper -

If you open up excel and draw a comparison chart of the JP8000's features and the SH-201's they are practically the exact same. The MAIN features lost from the JP80X0 are:

Chorus - The SH-201's modulation delay can create that.

EQ - the SH-201 allows you to cut, boost or leave the low end flat. The JP obviously has the stronger feature here, but the SH-201's cut/boost plus EQ hardware/plugin will do the trick - it's just a basic EQ.

Ribbon Controller - SH-201 has D-beam, I could live with or without either of them.

Vocoder - Fair enough (JP8080 only).

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Then the SH-201 has MAIN features the JP80X0 doesn't:

Reverb

Supersaw and noise selectable for both oscillators

USB Audio with VST Editor

Comes brand new with 3 year warranty


Well I don't think I'm being unreasonable by saying the SH-201 is a very attractive prospect on paper due to the above comparison and considering they are about equal on price.

Then in terms of sound, there is hardly any difference - this isn't like comparing two analog synths which might have a wild variation in sound. It's digital and Roland have a tried and tested formula that's probaby saved on their harddrives.

What, do you think Roland somehow f*ed up the supersaw, filters, envelopes and LFOs - I don't think so.

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So I'd say they are both fantastic synths, especially for trancey stuff. If you are wanting the keyboard JP you will get two voices less than the SH-201.

I couldn't care less what you buy, I just want to help you out and give you the facts.

All the best mate, like I said you'll be happy either way!

 

[Bluedays]

Big Brother is VexaDJ
LMAO

 

[hamburgers]

Big Brother is VexaDJ
LMAO

tee hee some crazy lady on KSS did the same thing in one of her threads that she was getting crapped on

she signed in as a new member claiming to know the lady personally and said how awesome she is and how awesome all her crappy gear was ... only problem was that she typed exactly like the she did in her other posts, leaving no spaces after any punctuation and spelling things incorrectly

 

[ADL]

i worked with the sh yesterday at the music store... good built quality, and the sounds are very good imo, its not a virus, but i liked it...

 

[Jackin_J]

Too lazy to read the whole thread but as a JP User I can highly recommend the 8080. Maybe the SH has some of the synth functions the JP has but just looking at the interface of the 8080 and comparing it to the SH interface shows some big differences. If you can live without the keys why not just get an 8080 for the price of the SH. Another nice advantage is the vocoder on the JP

Btw regarding the video on the SH its just a really cheap marketing trick.