Roland MV8000 and 8800

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Hello im a mpc2000xl user and there is so little that I can do in it which usually has me going to my cpu to edit and things of that nature. I have been looking at the roland and I think it has potential. I know the MPC 4000 should be something I should look at, but I keep hearing about the 808 and the sounds already in it. I use a Motif Rack for my instruments so im sure the sounds that come in the roland would be nice to havebut thats not the main reason I want it. For all Roland users, in particual hip hop producers who sample can you give me some thoughts on it. I also see with the 8800 you can plug a monitor up to it. Is it possible to plug a monitor up to the 8000. The 8800 is like a grand more. Is it worth the extra cash. Im all ears. I would really like to hear from MPC users who have switched to the MV
 
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Yeah, I sold my MPC4000 about 8 months ago after owning it for 4 years and bought a MV-8000. The biggest mistake I ever made! I'm selling my MV-8000 on Ebay right now and got a MPC4000 on the way (will be in tomorrow). That dumb move cost me hundreds of dollars. Anyway, if your using the Motif Rack for all of your instrument sounds, I would highly recommend the MPC4000 over the MV-8000. The realtime-timestretch that they advertise on the MV-8000 is garbage in my opinion. Don't know if they improved it on the MV-8800. With the MV-8000, every once in awhile I'd chop loops messing around and to make a long story short, if you have a loop that needs to be timestretched +/- 10bpm's, it's going to sound like ish. For example, I chopped this loop at 120bpm and I wanted to timestretch it to 90bpm. By the time I got down to 110bpm, the sample sounded warbled and choppy. Of course you can get around this by timestretching the loop on a computer (ex. FruityLoops, Acid), and then re-sampling the loop on the MV, but flawless timestretching is not something you can do on the MV exclusively in my opinion. The fact that you can hook up a monitor and mouse to the MV-8000/MV-8800 is pretty slick too (especially adjusting chop/loop points with the mouse). But these are the only two advantages the MV's have over the MPC4000 in my opinion. The sequencer on the MV's are not *ucking with the MPC4000 (I don't care what nobody says)! I personally don't quantize my drums and you would think without any time quantizing that both machines would perform the same, but it's not the case. The MV-8000 even with time quantize off was not as accurate with timing as the MPC4000. I'm sure you will have people tell you otherwise, but unless they used the MPC4000 for 4+ years, and then the MV-8000 for 6+ months then they opinion don't mean ish to me. If you got any other comparison questions between the MPC4000 and MV-8000 I'd be more than happy to give you my opinion for what it's worth.
 
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The MV-8000 is a pretty good machine. I'm learning how to use it at my cousins studio Go to http://www.str8shooterent.com and check him out. I used MPC'S 1, 2, 3 AND 4,000. All was good machines. But what like about the MV it's everything you need. The sounds you load into it it's dam there endless. But to me the best MPC out there that I used was 3500. To me that's the best one of the mpc. The only thing I didn't like about the MPC you to carry around your sounds. With the MV you dont have to do that. In my opinion get the MPC 3500 or The Mv-8000 or 808 (no difference). My set up I have The triton, Reasons 3.0 fruity loops and a **** load of sample, drum loops, and sounds.

BUT GET THE MV MY NIG.


http://www.myspace.com/bigcedmvp

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umm this might be a good thread. Well that 4000 cost so damn much compared to the 8800. If I was going to go with the mv, i would go with the 8800 over the 8000. I guess since im use to the mp I should check out tha 4000 but I think theres alot more ish in the MV that I can get use out of.

@Inhouse, you said 3500. Do you mean 2500? Cause ive never heard of a 3500 LOL
 
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Oh yeah, without a doubt! Everybody got they own individual comfort and needs with equipment. I know I got caught up in the whole "everything in a box" campaign Roland was pumping, but for me personally it was all fluff. My workflow was much better with the MPC4000, and I personally feel more comfortable recording, mixing, and mastering with a Digi 002 than with the MV-8000. But to each his own. Good luck with that MV-8800! One.
 
Well doesnt seem as of right now theres to much Roland support. I just dont see the need to upgrade on a mpc since I have the 2000xl. Sure as hell wouldnt upgrade to the2500. The only thing is a cd drive and the chop shop which I have been hearing is not all that great compared to something like recycle. So that leaves me with upgrading to a 4000 if i dont go with the MV or just sticking with the 2000. It seems to me sample editing in the MV is great. I mean you cant really do shyt to a sample in the 2000. So do you guys think that the 4000 is worth the upgrade from the 2000.
Chadoworld what makes the workflow better to you compared to the MV
 
With the MPC4000, I like to pump out crazy sequences and then go into Song mode and create a song. With the MV-8000 to do this you have to keep creating Patterns everytime you want to create a new Sequence which is a crazy vibe killer to me. Also, sometimes I like to add effects to drum kits I create and then resample the drum sounds to make a new drumkit. I can do this within a matter of seconds on the MPC4000 as the effects page is accessible in sample mode. This is not the case with the MV-8000.
 
Chad are you saying that if I wanted to lay down a 8 bar sequence in the MV I cant do it like that. What do you mean you have to create a pattern first. With the 2000 I set my bars to whatever press record and start to lay down my sequence. Are u saying that with the MV there is a extra step before you can lay down a 8 bar sequnce?
 
With the 2000 just like the 4000 you assign the number of bars to your sequence and like you said you just lay it down. With the MV-8000, the main page is the Sequence page (similar to Song mode with the MPC's), but in order to make individual loops (8-bars or whatever), you have to go to the Pattern page. And within the Pattern page you only have one pattern setup by default. You have to create new patterns where you can assign individual tempo/time signature. And unlike the MPC's were you just put the cursor on the Sequence field to change sequences, you have go to a sub pattern page (can't remember the name of the page off hand) and select the new pattern to work with. So if you like to create mad sequences and audition them with the quickness like I do, then it's going to be a challenge with the MV. I would recommend if you could go down to a local music store that has the MV-8800 on display and mess around with it to see what I'm talking about. Now you could actually create numerous blank patterns and then save the project so you don't have to keep creating patterns everytime you go to make a new song, but you're not getting around being able to quickly audition different sequences like the MPC's (unless you don't mind using the mouse to do it). Maybe someone else with more time on the MV's has a workaround for that as well (as I only had the MV-8000 for 6 months), but small differences like this are an inconvenience to me. Just my opinion.
 
It all depends on your style of production. If your predominately mess with samples (chopping, looping), then you more than good in my opinion with the 2000XL and Motif Rack. The 2000XL was my first piece of equipment. But I felt the 2000XL was limited because I couldn't use it as a sound module. The MPC4000 filled that void. Now granted I don't think any selection of sample CD's loaded in a MPC4000 is going to trump having a dedicated sound module like the Motif Rack. But I wanted it all to be in one unit rather than multiple units (less equipment to move around). The reason why I went with the MV-8000 was because like the MPC4000 you could also use it as a sound module (although loading sample CD's is a pain in the *ss with the MV). Plus like the 4000, the MV-8000 gave me the ability to record 96 notes per program (good for 88-key pianos) unlike the 2000XL which only gives you the ability to record 64 notes per program if I remember correctly. But again, it all depends on your production style. There's cats out there making bangers with less than 10% of what the MPC4000 offers! It’s not really about the equipment you have, but what you do with it. But we're all entitled to being comfortable with the equipment we use regardless of whether others feel it's necessary or not. Again, just my opinion.
 
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im looking at some of the specs for the 4000 and I see that there is about 36 different types of filters and u can use up to 3 filters for each sound. How do you like the filters if you use them.
 
I tried using the filters on some old school ish like filtering samples for basslines but I wasn't all that impressed. I prefer using the bass synth programs I had loaded on my MPC4000 for basslines so I had complete control of the melody.
 
ummm sounds like I should stay with the 2000xl if I decide not to go with with MV8800
 
Again, I think the 2000XL and Motif Rack combo is definently a nice setup. You got a solid hardware sequencer/sampler/drum machine with a quality sound module! Just thought I'd pass along my experience of getting rid of equipment that I ended up regretting. Good luck with your decision.
 
Actually this is a new video! Yeah, notice how he's echoing the same ish I was saying about the patterns being inaccessible on the MV-8000, but it looks like they addressed this with the MV-8800. Would have been nice if they gave the MV-8000 owners this improvement as well. Capitalism at its finest!
 
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LOL, thats true. But honestly I could care less about recording with the MV. My plan was going to continue to use Cubase. Now some of the mixing might be done in the MV but the finished product whould be done on Cubase. Man I just dont know. I might wait towards the end ofthe year. If Akai comes with a 4000 update this year I will be sold if it includes a monitor option and a better chopping tool because of right now nothing is better than Recycle. Like Isaid my main thing is I hate going from MP to Cpu. I just want cpu for recording only but I always end up in recycle and soundforge when working with samples
 
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Oh, I forgot to mention something about chopping samples in the MV-8000 that irked the ish out of me. In the MPC, you could chop lets say a 2-bar loop into 16 individual samples. After you chop the samples you can save the 16 individual samples as a program and process each individual sample alone. With the MV-8000 you can chop the same 2-bar loop into 16 samples, but it only assigns the chop points to the 2-bar loop. You have to save each individual sample manually with the MV-8000. Crazy time consuming! Hopefully that is still not the case with the MV-8800.
 
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I think the 8800 has taken care of some of those problems, but im about to email akai which im sure theywont hit me back or give methe answer I want because if Akai will make a move theywill keep it on the low
 
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