Tha_Remedy
Tha' Remedy Beats
I'm really feeling this record off her new album, Rated R. It's dark different and something refreshing from the usual disney pop sound. The chord progression gives me goosebumps. Check it out.
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Neox
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I love this song by her it's just Rihanna singing like Down for life but Gangsta for Life do you Pop fans anymore? lol I still love it tho..
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konartis
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The drums: polished; minor key: nice; Rihanna swearing: HOT lol.
kahliljn
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Its more major than minor(major in most cases are just relevant to minor)..lol...it seems like errbodoy starts off there tracks in minor no one really knows where to go after after starting off in major..lmfao..guess aint no real musicians in the game no more...lol..
Thank god for Marvin Gaye and the Temptations
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lilro
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I'm sorry but wtf is this....why are there countless threads about supporting "real" artists and people think this is good?? Who wrote this song lol....I can't take this song seriously
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konartis
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Yes, major chords have relative minor chords (and relative minor scales, for that matter), but the way songs are composed in these 2 keys is completely different. Major is just a mode (ionian), while the minor key is a less defined; there are at least 3 different minor scales, which when combined form the minor grand scale (this is not really an official term, as far as I'm aware). This song, if in major, does show exploration outside of the diatonic, as I can hear half-steps that are not in the ionian mode.
This song seems to have more minor triads at the base of its chordal structure than it does major triads; therefore, it can be considered minor - I do not hear a cadence to the major I chord - not really expected, though. Along with the power chords, we can say this is obviously a song that does not stand on either foot for long.
The song switches from a minor composite scale in the verses to a non-cadential major key in the bridge/chorus sections. The first few bars in verse 1 have a solid minor harmony. This is a strong point for harmonic establishment in the song - early, right after the downbeat.
Anyway, the key changes. It's well-composed.
I'm actually writing quite a lot on music theory these days for some private projects.
I agree that there aren't many real musicians in the game anymore. I'm still here, and I hope you know what you're talking about as well, kahliljn.
kahliljn
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Yes, major chords have relative minor chords (and relative minor scales, for that matter), but the way songs are composed in these 2 keys is completely different. Major is just a mode (ionian), while the minor key is a less defined; there are at least 3 different minor scales, which when combined form the minor grand scale (this is not really an official term, as far as I'm aware). This song, if in major, does show exploration outside of the diatonic, as I can hear half-steps that are not in the ionian mode.
This song seems to have more minor triads at the base of its chordal structure than it does major triads; therefore, it can be considered minor - I do not hear a cadence to the major I chord - not really expected, though. Along with the power chords, we can say this is obviously a song that does not stand on either foot for long.
The song switches from a minor composite scale in the verses to a non-cadential major key in the bridge/chorus sections. The first few bars in verse 1 have a solid minor harmony. This is a strong point for harmonic establishment in the song - early, right after the downbeat.
Anyway, the key changes. It's well-composed.
I'm actually writing quite a lot on music theory these days for some private projects.
I agree that there aren't many real musicians in the game anymore. I'm still here, and I hope you know what you're talking about as well, kahliljn.
Actually major or minor chords can be translated in three different variations in any key, not including, 7 ths, 9ths, suspended, and aug..etc
I disagree major chords can progress in the same harmonic sequence as minor if played out in the right progression.
Most people relate more to minor and pentonic chords because of their melodic qualities, but imo thats just because of the way songs are composed nowadays. most single note melodies are done in minor, and sus(example d to e to f). But if you listen to older music(country,RnB, Soul) alot of progressions were initiated in major...I personally think music evoked more emotion and feeling back then.
Look at gospel music most progressions are initiated in major...I believe major chords can bring a whole new feel to modern music if used properly.
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konartis
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I was talking about scales... there are different minor scale variants (melodic, harmonic etc.). Yes, I am familiar with 7ths, 9ths, compound intervals and other music theory basics.
Yes, major chords can do what they want. But when talking about scales and moving in steps and half steps between the root notes (which goes back to the tone qualities as they relate to the scale root re: tension), the major scale (ionian mode) is not the same as the minor scale and all of its permutations. It just doesn't have the same step relations, so it can't have the exact same sequences. You can do it (and it will work), but it's not considered strictly major at that point. You're just using major chords. And the minor scales have major chords that occur naturally (as does the major scale minor chords...).
No. While the quality of the chord (major or minor third) does strike us in different ways by itself, we "relate" in context. A single major chord in a minor chord sequence is as powerful as a single minor chord in a major chord sequence. There are countless factors.
There are no pentatonic chords. The pentatonic scale is just the major or minor with some of the least stable notes taken out.
There is no such thing as SUS when talking about melodies. Sus is chordal note displacement. When talking about melodies, use intervals. What you've described is: whole step, half step or major second, minor second.
You said minor is what most people relate to, now it's major that evokes more emotion? EMOTION DOES NOT CHANGE. Music has been THE SAME for thousands of years, and it will never change. Atonal music will come and go but it will never connect with us. We have the theory, we have the science. We know what the human ear likes - stable and SIMPLE frequency relationships, melodic contours, tension and release. That is pretty much it. These things will not change in the next few thousand years, if ever.
Major chords are being used a lot. They are being used properly. You are welcome to try new things.
Ohh, I have to go to sleep now. Work tomorrow. All this theory talk is making me want to sit down at the keys... Sorry if I sounded like a bit of a hot-head, kahliljn. Just having a bad day today. You have a good one!
kahliljn
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There is no such thing as SUS when talking about melodies. Sus is chordal note displacement. When talking about melodies, use intervals. What you've described is: whole step, half step or major second, minor second.
lmao..wow!!! in major or minor sus 2 or 4ths can create melodies..(hence the name) in fact the two notes that make up the 2nd and 4th are very melodic...Anyone who understand music knows that suspended chords are very melodic and can be used to make intracate progressions.
Dont forget that suspended chords are minor fourths or major seconds, and can be sequenced harmonically without major or minor chord melodies(d, e, f#)
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kahliljn
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Major chords are being used a lot. They are being used properly. You are welcome to try new things.
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Haha...They are being used but not properly in most cases!!! Its funny how you think music composition has to be initiated using minor chords...Try telling that to philharmonic orchestras, country musicians or gospel musicians.
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konartis
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I don't think I never said this. Quote me.
Now, why are we arguing again? And why do you keep saying "haha" and "it's funny how you think," etc. I haven't attacked you at all.
I've read countless books on music theory and am quite versed in the subject, as my posts show. You keep twisting my words and trying to use them against me in their warped form. Please stop. I'd rather be friends.
Good night.
kahliljn
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I don't think I never said this. Quote me.
Now, why are we arguing again? And why do you keep saying "haha" and "it's funny how you think," etc. I haven't attacked you at all.
I've read countless books on music theory and am quite versed in the subject, as my posts show. You keep twisting my words and trying to use them against me in their warped form. Please stop. I'd rather be friends.
Good night.
I can read a book on Einsteins life, yet and still i wont be a genius...Music theory is exactly what it is THEORY!!! Kinda like a map, its up to you to choose the direction.
Saying sus, and aug chords aren't melodic is just ignorant, especially for some one well versed on the subject....Thats like saying chicken breast isn't a real part of a chicken.
I guess suspended and augmented chords cant initiate progressions huh? Not trying to argue I just dont understand your point.
I mean you did take out the time to break down my post, so I thought I would elaborate on exactly what I was saying, and try and figure out the relevance in your little fun facts that you keep posting.
kahliljn
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You said minor is what most people relate to, now it's major that evokes more emotion? EMOTION DOES NOT CHANGE. Music has been THE SAME for thousands of years, and it will never change. Atonal music will come and go but it will never connect with us. We have the theory, we have the science. We know what the human ear likes - stable and SIMPLE frequency relationships, melodic contours, tension and release. That is pretty much it. These things will not change in the next few thousand years, if ever.
Actually I said IMO major chord progressions evoke more emotions.
Music has changed drastically over the last 60-70 years mono to stereo, stereo, to HD, Surround, Dolby Digital ETC!!!...The human ear is easily minupulated so is music. IMO thats the beauty of it. We dont know what the human ear likes because the possibilities are almost infinite.
You say the next thousand years, I say we'll being hearing music on a whole other spectrum within the next decade.
kahliljn
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when did I ever say pentatonic scales are chords?Yes, major chords can do what they want. But when talking about scales and moving in steps and half steps between the root notes (which goes back to the tone qualities as they relate to the scale root re: tension), the major scale (ionian mode) is not the same as the minor scale and all of its permutations. It just doesn't have the same step relations, so it can't have the exact same sequences. You can do it (and it will work), but it's not considered strictly major at that point. You're just using major chords. And the minor scales have major chords that occur naturally (as does the major scale minor chords...).
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Ev-G
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The album is good imo it has its own style
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rl_mack
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chase and status produced this. they are uk dance/electro/dubstep producers. which explains the drums and chord progressions
james fauntleroy did a great job on this song and album. other songwriters need to step they game up
james fauntleroy did a great job on this song and album. other songwriters need to step they game up
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normalisboring
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Woah, that chorus is beautiful. Jesus, what ear candy. Shame about the lyrics, though.
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newuser1
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this song does is not consistent with he interview where she said she knows that little girls listen to every thing she says. and that she now knows she has to be a proper roll model for them. don't think I would like my daughter or any of my little nieces taking this song to seriously.
it sounds like many of her songs of late were already chosen before the Chris Brown incident and she needed a big event to happen in her life to give the songs more impact.
it sounds like many of her songs of late were already chosen before the Chris Brown incident and she needed a big event to happen in her life to give the songs more impact.
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This is one of my favorite songs on the album based off the production alone. I tune out the lyrics though *eek* but the chorus progression is what drew me in.