Rewire Vs Bouncing To Disk Sound Quality Video

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yeah i think thats why they dont publicize it, most people cant hear the difference anyway. but when your working on music all day every day, of course your gonna hear a difference. its just like the difference between mp3 and wav, we can hear it, but most poelpe cant.
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That's why I'm really not a big fan of Record.
 
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rofllllllllll
 
purchase the programs and use the mixers and you tell me which one is better. i don't post videos i just know its better until you use both or have both you can't say nothing
 
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yall are really goin hard with this...I heard a diff..taking nobody's side but I do agree with renegade mod guy or w/e,I almost don't care.with good vocals,effects,mixing and all that,who hears what?
 
Reality check. My boy had one of these, and we use to rock wit it non stop.

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kb420 said:
Reality check. My boy had one of these, and we use to rock wit it non stop.

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WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO lol this man just bust out the tape recorder. what you know about

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Yo, I was down with the four track. Back then, we use to argue over which brand tapes gave you the best sound quality.
 
malki said:
allright man i getcha. sorry, im just like wow, what do people want me to do? i already went out of my way and put my ideas to the test. if i was wrong i would have still posted the video.

imo the sound quality is degraded just working in reason standalone maybe i should have made that clear. maybe you dont lose any quality bouncing. but i DO know as soon as you connect your sounds to the rewire your sound quality jumps. and this is the reason why im arguing rewiring is better. theres just no way to get that ultra quality using reason standalone. when you bounce your gonna get the **** quality from the reason engine
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Peace Malki, good video, I commend you on making it. I already said that I would be in the studio doing a lot of work that's why I wasn't around, someone emailed and say you were looking for me lol I was like "WORD? " lol

Ok, lets deal with this once again and this will be it, because I know computers and formats well and this is what I went to school for so here goes.

QOUTE FROM A TECH!

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-wav-file.htm


'The wav file had two very big things going for it when introduced. Firstly, it could digitize sounds 100% faithful to the original source because it is a lossless format. “Lossless” means that the wav file format does not compromise audio quality even when it holds compressed data. Secondly, the wav file is very easy to edit and manipulate with software. Luckily for audiophiles, free wav file editing software has been available nearly as long as wav files themselves.

Key positions in this is "DIGITIZE SOUNDS 100%" AND "LOSSLESS" wav format that DOES NOT COMPROMISE AUDIO QUALITY! It also states clearly you can COMPRESS a wav data and it still sounds 100% quality. It's easy to MANIPULATE! Which I know because I have done it over and over.

Now this brings me back to you and rewiring. Ok, I understand that rewiring is great, THAT I KNOW, and I also know you will get great quality. BECAUSE IT'S COMING STRAIGHT FROM THE SOURCE! Now with this debate you are making a strong man's arguement, about rewire verses bouncing/Exporting. Again I agree rewiring is a great tool, REPEAT REWIRING IS A GREAT TOOL!

Now my brother what you need to understand is the computer science behind wav format and you're missing valid points behind this, see I don't even have to make a vid to prove my point because what I am about to say is logical, if you understand wav formats, MP3, Aiff etc.

YOu said the music jumped when rewiring, is that proof that wav is no good? NO! You are dealing with rewiring and PT has basically a great engine, being I have the 002Rack, the chips inside it was made for PT. it will give you a LOUDNESS which doesn't mean it's better than bouncing. The 002Rack is a little different than the 003Rack because they improved the chips and the alglorithim of it is better than mines so if you were to rewire in the 003 and I was to do it with the 002Rack it would sound differen, why? Because what Digi did to the chips. But does that mean the sound quality is wack? No. Now back to rewiring, again, I understand it's coming from the main source. You claimed that why would they put rewiring there, so I will reverse that why did they put wav boucing in Reason and Record, they even improved the functionality of it in Record. Remember this also, YOU are using Reason, I AM using Record now. My mixer sounds TOTALLY different from the Mixer in Reason, does that mean quality is compromised? NO! The debate is whether you lose quality in wav boucing, the answer is NO! Here's why.

The tech I just presented to you as proof said 100% audio quality, at 16 or 24 bit. When I bounce I bounce in 24 bit, so indeed I don't lose any quality. Now remember rewire into Protools is straight from the source, that's what you claim. Now, remember when I bounce, It's coming straight from the source, I am not coming out into quarter inch into a board then coming back into protools I am bouncing within the computer. Now YOU have to explain to me, how in the world can I lose anything if I am coming straight from the source without going outside the computer? The burden is on you. There is not one tech in this computer world that would say when bouncing in the same computer from one software using wav format to another you will lose audio quality. For the fact of the matter when I bounce to PT, my sound gets louder too you know why? because I am in PT now and the 002Rack is geared more to PT than any other software. There are certain types of software that sound funny when trying to use the 002Rack because Digidesign is on that funny marketing crap where they want you to use their gear and not some apogee or some other interface to do work in.

So now here goes the test. As I stated you're making a strong man's argument. Now the thing with me is not to show if bouncing is better than rewire but if my bouncing sound correctly as when I had it in Reason/Record. From my ears, there is no quality loss everything is the same, effects, panning, etc. So that's what I have to test it with, not test it against rewire. So for me it's good and I have been working with it and when I show others how come they use it too and stop rewiring? Also Record has improved it to be faster and have a range of flexibility Reason didn't. I use to have to solo each track to bounce, now I don't and I can do it with a midi so it can be controlled in PT also, and I can do it dry or wet, with effects or not, all the channels or just one or two, I can do whatever I want. So I want you to go to Propellerhead and ask the techs do you lose sound when bouncing/exporting and why in the heck did they make it for Record. I was talking a lot about bouncing and others got into it and companies send out their scouts to see our convos. ask yourself this, "who complained about bouncing/exporting and why did Props enhance it more?"

Now back to bouncing wav format, you still didn't prove that you lose sound quality. What you heard is loudness that's it. If I played one of Brandy sounds, and it's been mastered well, and I listen to it. If I turn it up does that mean the quality is better? If I turn it down low does that mean the quality is weaker then when I had it turned up? No! It's a position of choice how I like my music, loud or low.

So on that note you have to prove to me, wav format bouncing compromises audio quality and this is with any program. Propel is not the only one that bounce, even PT bounces. so if bouncing was a carnal sin, then ask "WHY IN THE HECK DID PT PUT IN BOUNCING". You can bounce wav, Aiff and MP3 in PT. See. So tell me then when you want a two track do you bounce out of PT or do you record to another source because bouncing to you is a carnal sin? Everyone in their momma bounce out to two track stereo, I work with pros, mastering and engineers and they bounce all the time. PT just improved their MP3 bouncing because MP3's compromise audio quality because it's compressed so much. My boy found a site where they got the MP3's right to sound like wav audio quality even when compressed. So if you would of said me bouncing to MP3's I couldn't win that argument if I made a thousand vids, because technically MP3's will lose audio quality.

Remember wav won't lose audio quality because it's NOT COMPRESSED! Another thing to look at, when you are bouncing out of Reason/Record, the tracks are midi converted to wav format, so you have to prove to me how in the world will the midi lose it's format quality being converted to wav? That's why they did that. MP3's and wav are totally different until they get the MP3's sounding top notch and not losing any quality, all companies with this product.

Also bouncing is much faster, I have put up a video already proving that. You lose no quality plus it's faster, and easier? I will stick to wav bouncing. Again, I will challenge anyone to start from the rewiring process to my starting to bouncing until we get into one's favorite host and bouncing two track onto the desk top. I will win in all three catagories. Remember really don't have to do a video, You have to open up midi tracks in protools, then the same number audio tracks, then you have to record that in real time to print on the audio tracks. Then to track it out you have to listen in realtime AGAIN! By the time you do all that I will have gone to sleep to wakeup tomorrow for a new session lol

Also, a mix is as good as one who mix it. you can rewire all day but if your mix sounded like crap in Reason then it will also in PT. It will be a LOUDER crappy mix. PT don't correct mixes for people.

On that token, please prove to me how wav format lose audio quality. We are over rewiring, I already said it's great for those that wanna use it. Now the position I am taking is you have to prove to me when bouncing to wav it lose audio quality. If you can't do that, then our highways are different reaching the same street which is PT.

Peace :cheers:



 
TASCAM days were the **** but I can't front,computer mic to mic jack produced some crazy shyt too..those are the things that help build character..like when I was killin the mtv generator
 
danoc, i appreciate you coming on here. LOL @ someone emailing you saying im looking for you. this is great.

basically after all this, i learned something - you may be right about the WAV form, it may BE 100% lossless. I dont know, but thats not what I'm arguing.

What i'm arguing is REWIRING gets better sound quality than bouncing NOT BECAUSE your bouncing to WAV (because your recording to wav in pro tools so why would i argue that) - but because the pro tools sound engine is of higher quality than the reason engine.

Now i'm pretty sure the mixer has something to do with it as people pointed out, it changes the sound a bit, and by me bypassing the mixer via rewiring i heard a difference, and i actually heard this difference before bouncing out of reason. I was making the beat in reason, then i opened up pro tools to finish it and the minute i connected my instruments to the rewire device the sound quality increased a noticable amount.

thus telling me rewire is better because theres no way to make a beat in reason without using the mixer UNLESS YOU REWIRE. so there it is.

im not arguing the lossness of wav or any of that. thats it
 
and its not about 002/003 i heard this with an mbox 2 mini, i just got the 003 a few weeks ago. i heard this difference before that
 
also if it was just loudness i heard - how come the mixer has an eq curve, and if it was just loudness like you said both sounds would have nulled each other out because they would be the exact same frequency.
 
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malki said:
also if it was just loudness i heard - how come the mixer has an eq curve, and if it was just loudness like you said both sounds would have nulled each other out because they would be the exact same frequency.
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Bruh did you read my last statment? PLEASE PROVE TO ME WAV FORMAT LOSE AUDIO QUALITY! That's all I ask. The convertors are different in the MBox, 002R and 003Rack, it doesn't really make a difference, what I am asking you is prove to me you lose audio quality in wav bouncing format. that's all. show me some proof.
 
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On that token, please prove to me how wav format lose audio quality. We are over rewiring, I already said it's great for those that wanna use it. Now the position I am taking is you have to prove to me when bouncing to wav it lose audio quality. If you can't do that, then our highways are different reaching the same street which is PT.
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see now your trying to switch it up talking about record, how waves are lossless, how you know somebody that made an mp3 sound like a wav (that will never happen unless the source wav file is ****ty to begin with), how your over rewiring etc.

im not trying to get at you with this video man, i just want to show you the advantages of rewiring.

i cant tell youa bout record, i cant tell you about the wav format but i just proved theres a difference between rewiring and bouncing and it wasnt just in my head. if you want to make a video, or check for your self, be my guest. i just dont want to keep arguing a point without backing it up. i'm glad i did this
 
DaNOC said:
Bruh did you read my last statment? PLEASE PROVE TO ME WAV FORMAT LOSE AUDIO QUALITY! That's all I ask. The convertors are different in the MBox, 002R and 003Rack, it doesn't really make a difference, what I am asking you is prove to me you lose audio quality in wav bouncing format. that's all. show me some proof.
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malki said:
<font size="3">What i'm arguing is REWIRING gets better sound quality than bouncing NOT BECAUSE your bouncing to WAV (because your recording to wav in pro tools so why would i argue that) - but because the pro tools sound engine is of higher quality than the reason engine. </font>

<font size="4">Now i'm pretty sure the mixer has something to do with it as people pointed out, it changes the sound a bit, and by me bypassing the mixer via rewiring i heard a difference, and i actually heard this difference before bouncing out of reason. I was making the beat in reason, then i opened up pro tools to finish it and the minute i connected my instruments to the rewire device the sound quality increased a noticable amount.</font>

<font size="5">thus telling me rewire is better because theres no way to make a beat in reason without using the mixer UNLESS YOU REWIRE. so there it is.</font>
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