Rewire Vs Bouncing To Disk Sound Quality Video

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I've been saying this for years. It is an unofficial known problem by Propellerheads but there has been no public statement. I'm not sure how accurate your test is but I can hear the difference in your video and I have heard it myself. When I heard it, it was a dramatic difference with a certain bass sound I was using at the time.

I also want to state that I have heard a difference in the playback engine in Reason as well as the bounce engine. They need to include real time bouncing with Reason.

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I've been saying this for years. It is an unofficial known problem by Propellerheads but there has been no public statement. I'm not sure how accurate your test is but I can hear the difference in your video and I have heard it myself. When I heard it, it was a dramatic difference with a certain bass sound I was using at the time.

I also want to state that I have heard a difference in the playback engine in Reason as well as the bounce engine. They need to include real time bouncing with Reason.

How do you like my ReTools avatar?
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LOL damn how many times have i seen that avatar and never knew wtf it was. LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
 
j cutz where you at?


danoc where you at?


quiet now huh. its all good. if i was wrong i would have apologized
 
I'm here. I'll watch the video later. But I don't know why you're calling me out, I just said I wanted to see the results cus I was interested in seeing the results lol.

Why would I be quiet?
 
You compromised the mix, so your test proves nothing.

Compromising Actions:

Removing the mixer.
Lining up the timing.
Recording the input into Pro Tools after mixer was removed.


To correctly test, you would've had to leave the mixer removed in Reason when you exported the loop. Then rewired Reason to Protools, export(bounce down) the same loop, and then load them both back into Pro Tools to null test.

Or leave the mixer on both. Even Reason's manual explains that the 14:1 mixer curves frequenciess you can even set it to curve them differently.

Not arguing, just explaining why that wasn't an accurate test.

End of the day...I export music straight out of Reason that's just as clear as anything you'd hear on a CD, so I don't really care either way, but until someone takes the time to correwctly disprove the company... They say Reason renders lossless 44.1/24 wav files. I say they sound good enough to keep me rich off music.
 
I watched the video. You seem like you know what you doing. But like my man deranged said, it wasn't really an all inclusive test to settle the argument.

The lining up is the main thing at fault, cus that's pretty much the key factor when it comes down to phase cancellation.

I don't use Reaper or Pro Tools or anything otherwise I woulda had a look at this myself. I tried a little bit in Reaper, but I don't really know how to use it so didn't get far. Might do it someday if I'm bored.

I'll take your word for it that the sound is altered, but that doesn't mean the sound when bouncing outta Reason is bad. And anyway, like deranged said, the mixer in Reason is designed to have its own impact on the tracks.


edit: Also if I was doing the test I would have exported from Reason. Exported from Pro Tools. Then imported both tracks into a dedicated wave editor (Soundforge) and looked at them more closely there, as well as doing the phase reversal and summing in there too.
 
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@ the end of the day, it all comes down to the skill level of the person that is MIXING the tracks...

ReWire is another tool just like any other...it won't necessarily "make or break" somebody's mix. it all comes down to experience...

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if ANYONE here thinks im wrong. PROVE ME WRONG. i just uploaded a video.

theres a difference, you dont gotta be a dick about it. so it wasnt the most scientific test.

i did the test more for myself than to prove it to yall, i wanted to see if there really was a diff. there is a difference my friend. you dont like it, why dont you upload your own video so i can DEBUNK it just like your trying to do to mine.
 
I said I'll take your word for it, but your video doesn't actually PROVE anything.
 
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Or leave the mixer on both. Even Reason's manual explains that the 14:1 mixer curves frequenciess you can even set it to curve them differently.
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i actually pointed this out in the video, i said the mixer changes the sound. (right as i was opening up reason in pro tools for rewire)

but you need the mixer to use reason standalone. you cant make a beat in reason standalone without the mixer. you only get 2 channels on the hardware mixer output 1/2.

this is why rewire was invented my friend, i just busted your bubble. if you want to not believe it why dont you do your own video. do some ridiculous **** nobody does and try to be scientific as possible.

if you cant do that

then please

take your seat in the corner, thank you
 
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i actually pointed this out in the video, i said the mixer changes the sound. (right as i was opening up reason in pro tools for rewire)

but you need the mixer to use reason standalone. you cant make a beat in reason standalone without the mixer. you only get 2 channels on the hardware mixer output 1/2.
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So what was the point of the video? You can't expect the track you exported out of Reason to cancel out with the one recorded in Pro Tools if you *already know* that the mixer altered the sound of the Reason bounced track.
 
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you cant make a beat in reason standalone without the mixer
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good point...

you gotta understand tho that some cats are stuck in their ways...

even if you make a solid point (which you did), people are still going to stick w/ whatever "works" for them...under the mantra, "if it ain't broke, don't try to fix it"...
 
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So what was the point of the video? You can't expect the track you exported out of Reason to cancel out with the one recorded in Pro Tools if you *already know* that the mixer altered the sound of the Reason bounced track.
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well its not proven, theres nothing that says the mixer changes the sound that i have heard of other than using the onboard eq and **** (which i never use) or using sends (which i didnt use in that beat)

let me say WHY i did this test

1st of all, you HAVE to make a mixer to make a beat in reason without rewiring. HOW WILL YOU HAVE MORE THAN 1 TRACK WITHOUT A MIXER?

EXPLAIN THAT TO ME.

So if its reasons mixer or reasons audio engine idk

but i DO know now, which i have proven, there is a difference in sound quality between an exported sound using the mixer in reason standalone and a rewired sound. and thats the whole point of the argument.

so until someone makes another video you cant say ****. i did my part, now i know for myself, why dont you find out for yourself?
 
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good point...

you gotta understand tho that some cats are stuck in their ways...

even if you make a solid point (which you did), people are still going to stick w/ whatever "works" for them...under the mantra, "if it ain't broke, don't try to fix it"...
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your right, i'm not expecting them to just take my word for it, some people they wouldnt know a good thing if it was right in front of their face.

i just hope people can see what i did, and maybe find out for themself, dont just take my word for it!

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