rane serato scratch live vs. stanton final scratch 2

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I personally use SSL and have never tried FS2 so I can't tell you which is better, but I have no complaints or problems with SSL. The software development team is top notch and actually responds to your questions and input on their forums.

For a comparison between the two, be sure to checkout the showdown on ScratchWorx. Don't expect an in depth review though. It's more of brief lookover of each.

peace
 
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I personally use SSL and have never tried FS2 so I can't tell you which is better, but I have no complaints or problems with SSL. The software development team is top notch and actually responds to your questions and input on their forums.

For a comparison between the two, be sure to checkout the showdown on ScratchWorx. Don't expect an in depth review though. It's more of brief lookover of each.

peace
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whats scratchworx? how much does SSL cost?
 
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whats scratchworx? how much does SSL cost?
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Spirez posted links for you to check out ScratchWorx, but to answer your other question, SSL cost me about $490 if I remember correctly. I got it through agiprodj.com. Not sure if that is still their price, because that is what I got it for in May.

Peace
 
checked scratchworx, great site!

altough a few video links didn't work, or were down i guess.

saw the FS2 video, and saw all the benefits/drawbacks.

FS2 seemed pretty dope, i liked the sotware (looks of it), and the scratch amp has tons of options. Responded nicely too, i heard Funk Master Flex uses this.

The serato amp is cool cuz its small, but i dont like the fact that it would be hard to record your performace, cuz thats what im mainly gonna use it for. still need to see the serato video, but link is dead. :(

since they are both pretty much the same price, im kinda of leaning towards FS2, i trust the name brands behind the product. although im not gonna decide till i see more on the Serato.

A few people seem to be returning FS2 for Serato? Why? i would love to hear why....

:D
 
so goin back to my original question... what do YOU guys THINK is better?

benefits, drawbacks, etc... :D

(thanks for the Skratchworx link, its was EXTREMELY helpful!)
 
if you are a scratcher / beat juggler / turntablist there is no doubt, Serato Scratch Live is the best option.

i was FS1 user and i sold it. believe me, SSL rocks.

top djs like 45 king, dj Revolution, A-Trak are using SSL right now.

dont follow the FS2 hype...
 
im not really a turntablist (used to sorta b one, but never had my own equip- was my mans- not enough $ to afford it back in the day :D)

like i said, im mainly gonna use it for production (aka scratching my own music & samples) or just experimantation related to recording

:D

so i need to be able to record easily into lest say, PT or DP or Logic, for further manipulation and sequencing!

im not gonna b touring with the damn thing, so all i need is the best option for the studio environment!
 
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SSL = less CPU resources & USB
FS2 = CPU pig & firewire

FS2 = very nice interface
SSL = load music w/o stopping playback

Haven't used either, either the price needs to drop, or i need to rob a bank!

I gather both systems have roughly the same latency, so I ask anyone who owns:

the ~7ms delay...is that noticeable?
I remember using guitar amp simulation software before I had my amp and the delay was frustrating.

EDIT: oh! and is that 7ms even acheivable?
 
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Also.. while we're on the topic, anyone ever heard of Ms. Pinky?

http://www.mspinky.com/

This came of interest to me a while back when trying to write a program to scratch audio & video.

Advantage: supercheap!
Disadvangate: who the hell is ms. pinky?

Its not stand-alone software, it runs as a program for Max/MSP, (which, if you haven't heard of it, is a pretty awesome programming language. Lets you design your own signal processors based on individual filters, LFO's, MIDI etc. and its all drag & drop signal-chain style)

ANYWAY- whatdo ya think?
 
I vaguelly heard of ms pinky. But i as many people who owned FS 1.1, was a pure nightmare. I had what stanton said was a defective sound card and they wanted me to rma it. It took them well over a month to return my e-mails and tell me that. IMO, stanton sux as a company, and with customer support. If you remember, stanton had a final scratch user forum, but after many complaints on the board they've decided to close it down. That's the worst thing they could do. Instead of fixing the problems, and addressing the customers, they tryed to avoid and ignore them all together. Rane's SSL is simply better b/c on their boards they address the issues and have programmers, engineers that are willing to give support. Plus SSL's soundcard is built like a tank, software is very stable, and unlike Stanton, they don't charge $50 for every major bug fix they release.

FInal CRash 2.0= hype, and resource hog
Serato Scratch live= solid h/w and software, and among the best tech support out there
 
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92accordlxtuner said:
like i said, im mainly gonna use it for production (aka scratching my own music & samples) or just experimantation related to recording

:D

so i need to be able to record easily into lest say, PT or DP or Logic, for further manipulation and sequencing!

im not gonna b touring with the damn thing, so all i need is the best option for the studio environment!
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I'm not too sure you could use either if you are going to be doing all of this on the same computer! SSL is friendlier on your cpu and all but I don't know if it's THAT FRIENDLY.


peace
 
I had the original FS and bailed out when I heard FS2 was coming out, but (and thank god I did it) I got SSL. I havent tried FS2 but I can tell you now that your better off with SSL. NI's customers support just doesnt exist, they even pulled the forum from their website because of all the problems there was with the original, it was near imposible to get the numerous technical problems sorted.

Serato are probably the most customer foucussed company I've ever come accross in 10 years in the industry. The product is faultless and constantly being improved. The Graphical side of things is possibly not as pretty as TFS but its pure functionality. I would totally reccomend Rane and the superb Scratchlive.
 
BTW as far as scratching goes, its doable (just) I play trance so it doesnt really affect me but the 7ms delay is noticeable. SSL has a mode for scratching that improves the tracking of the timecode though.on FS1 scratching was totally out of the question.
 
so do any of these products allow you to record a performance, even in its native software? i dont necicerily need the damnthing connected to PT. but i at least need to be able to export sound files into a sequencer.

so my Q is: do SSL & FS2 allow you to record what you are doing, since apparently they are cpu monsters?
 
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another thing, the more ram and faster cpu you have, the lower the latency you can set the soundcard at. Right now i'm waiting impatiently for my ram to come in the mail for my laptop, so when i do get SSL in latter this month, my notebook will have 768MB and a very spartain settings (nothing i don't need in startup, no visual themes on desktop, no system restore, only audio software, not used for web surfing) so hopefully i will be able to go less than 6ms.
 
SSL doesnt allow recording of the performance, its not genrally reccomended to record on the same machine your using SSL on. TFS 2 I notice does have this facility so no doubt Rane will add it in a future upgrade.

Your extra RAM should help, I think my laptop has 768 meg, I run the XP tweeks you mention (if you go on ranes forum theres a tweeks thread) I've dont the "lite" changes like disabling themes and Automatic updaes, haven't needed to do any of the registry changes you can do. I can run a 7ms latency no problem, but anything less I think pushes the physical limits of using USB as the interface to the hardware.
 
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