propellerheads are soon gonna announce something new/ The Reason 5 thread

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yknow after seeing the features on this, im a little disappointed. i hoped they would have updated the patches, engine, and format support for the nnxt at least. i rarely sample so most of that new stuff is kinda "meh" to me. that being said, i think this will be a nice product for folks that want a "lightweight" proaudio solution. by that i mean something that isnt going to tax your resources just to start up...or crash the system with bugs like other DAWs can. reason can even run pretty well on netbooks if im not mistaken.
 
I just realized something as much as people bash reason for what it doesn't have its like the most talked about product on fp more than vsts and other daws granted people talk about other daws and stuff but do you guys realize that reason/record is discussed more than any other software on the market right now.
 
mrgibbs said:
I just realized something as much as people bash reason for what it doesn't have its like the most talked about product on fp
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That's because most of the people on fp that use Reason got it from Pirate Bay!:)
 
LOL oh my Gawd they are cracking down on the crack users lol THEY WILL DELETE YOU IF YOU TALK ABOUT CRACK? LOL Now that's funny lol :rofl:
 
on the topic of piracy....

record will still use the ignition key but reason 5 will not.

initially this seemed like a strange move. after record was announced i thought it was only natural that reason would also make use of the ignition key. and tbh i don't mind it that much. i don't have a problem with having no free usb hubs (yets) and it's probably just me but having a physical device like a dongle makes the software seem more "real" to me. kind of like the way you have an attachment to a record or a cd but rarely to a digital download, wheter or not you paid for it.

i know a lot of people dislike dongles and that could be seen as one reason for decision not to require a dongle for reason 5. but i am wondering how many real customers did propellerheads lose when they decided to make protect Record with the ignition key? lots of people complained about it but how many people were actually going to purchase record but were only put off by the dongle.

the userbase for reason is pretty high and a large number of the users are undoubtedly people who are using cracked versions. i would venture a guess that out of the popular DAWs reason is second to flstudio for illegal downloads. there are a lot of ableton cracks that are notoriously buggy.

i wonder if propellerheads feels they need that large user base even if a good percentage of that user base have not paid for the software. it's widely known that some software developers make their products easy to crack and even distribute open versions to the crack teams. the reason behind this is that a good name in the "underground warez" world usually translates to a good name above ground in the legal world as well.

the fact that reason is heavily downloaded and therefore used means there are a lot of people talking about it on message boards. this helps build a buzz for the product. also long term users of cracked software are more likely to eventually purchase products they like.

just a thought...
 
say it terror said:
on the topic of piracy....

record will still use the ignition key but reason 5 will not.

initially this seemed like a strange move. after record was announced i thought it was only natural that reason would also make use of the ignition key. and tbh i don't mind it that much. i don't have a problem with having no free usb hubs (yets) and it's probably just me but having a physical device like a dongle makes the software seem more "real" to me. kind of like the way you have an attachment to a record or a cd but rarely to a digital download, wheter or not you paid for it.

i know a lot of people dislike dongles and that could be seen as one reason for decision not to require a dongle for reason 5. but i am wondering how many real customers did propellerheads lose when they decided to make protect Record with the ignition key? lots of people complained about it but how many people were actually going to purchase record but were only put off by the dongle.

the userbase for reason is pretty high and a large number of the users are undoubtedly people who are using cracked versions. i would venture a guess that out of the popular DAWs reason is second to flstudio for illegal downloads. there are a lot of ableton cracks that are notoriously buggy.

i wonder if propellerheads feels they need that large user base even if a good percentage of that user base have not paid for the software. it's widely known that some software developers make their products easy to crack and even distribute open versions to the crack teams. the reason behind this is that a good name in the "underground warez" world usually translates to a good name above ground in the legal world as well.

the fact that reason is heavily downloaded and therefore used means there are a lot of people talking about it on message boards. this helps build a buzz for the product. also long term users of cracked software are more likely to eventually purchase products they like.

just a thought...
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They did very well in their sales so I don't think they lost that many customers. I didn't like it and I ended up buying lol I just put up with the dongle and it don't bother me.
 
I don't have a problem with it. I just wish everybody used Ilok. Right now I have an Ilok and I have the Korg KLCDE dongle. When I get Record, that will be three. If everybody used Ilok, it would all be on one.
 
i don't know what the iLok security dongle is like but i really like the security method that props used on record. having 3 dongles for different programs must be kind of a hassle though. as i said i personally don't mind the propellerhead ignition key because i don't use any other dongles, but i can see how it could be annoying for other users.
 
kb420 said:
I don't have a problem with it. I just wish everybody used Ilok. Right now I have an Ilok and I have the Korg KLCDE dongle. When I get Record, that will be three. If everybody used Ilok, it would all be on one.
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I have three, ilok, the dongle for Philharmonik which I was suppose to not have because in the update said you don't need it anymore, but when I took it out it wouldn't work, and Record, it's in my keyboard so that's cool .

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i don't know what the iLok security dongle is like but i really like the security method that props used on record. having 3 dongles for different programs must be kind of a hassle though. as i said i personally don't mind the propellerhead ignition key because i don't use any other dongles, but i can see how it could be annoying for other users.
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On the contrary the iLok is pretty easy and it works. And lets say they have Eastwest orchestral in another studio, I can take my iLok down there open it up to work for me do my work and leave, and take my iLok and it's shut down! I love it.
 
DiaboliC said:
So anyone know the price of R5 ?
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Record for Reason Owners (includes Reason 5 upgrade): EUR €149 / USD $169
Reason 5 Upgrade from any version of Reason or Record Reason Duo: EUR € 99 / USD $129
Record 1.5 Upgrade from any version: free download
Record Reason Duo: EUR €405 / USD $449
Reason 5: EUR €305 / USD $349
Record 1.5: EUR €279 / USD $299
 
I have new question to all beta users who use mpd - in this new version you can control nn-xt with mpd - for example with knobs change sample start/end points? If so then chop a sample inside Reason will be fun, but they probably didn't update this new verison like that, right?
 
mrgibbs said:
I just realized something as much as people bash reason for what it doesn't have its like the most talked about product on fp more than vsts and other daws granted people talk about other daws and stuff but do you guys realize that reason/record is discussed more than any other software on the market right now.
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there are some who bash Jesus...

the reason reason/record is discussed more than any other software on the market right now is because of the upgrade...

same will be said about ableton live, fl studio, cubase, etc when these company come out with a update/upgrade...

i do not think individuals are bashing either, just disappointed. i have been a Props customer since they were distritued by steinberg (product rebirth 1, 1.5, 2.0). blocks, sampling, kong, voice correction, etc does not interest me. i would prefer a new sampler or synth and better midi editing. i know some individuals think that the sequencer in Record/Reason are great but it cant touch cubase as far as midi editing goes. i plan on purchasing the update just like i have purchased all the Props products from day one because i want to support the company itself. i will give Props credit for some very innovative products and by supporting them i am investing into more innovation from the company...

the bottom line is for me Record/Reason combo is a scratch pad tool. a great one at that but sampling, kong, voice correction, etc is not for me and i would not call this bashing. just realizing what i like and dislike...
 
neverenoughfunk said:
there are some who bash Jesus...

the reason reason/record is discussed more than any other software on the market right now is because of the upgrade...

same will be said about ableton live, fl studio, cubase, etc when these company come out with a update/upgrade...

i do not think individuals are bashing either, just disappointed. i have been a Props customer since they were distritued by steinberg (product rebirth 1, 1.5, 2.0). blocks, sampling, kong, voice correction, etc does not interest me. i would prefer a new sampler or synth and better midi editing. i know some individuals think that the sequencer in Record/Reason are great but it cant touch cubase as far as midi editing goes. i plan on purchasing the update just like i have purchased all the Props products from day one because i want to support the company itself. i will give Props credit for some very innovative products and by supporting them i am investing into more innovation from the company...

the bottom line is for me Record/Reason combo is a scratch pad tool. a great one at that but sampling, kong, voice correction, etc is not for me and i would not call this bashing. just realizing what i like and dislike...
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i can't knock how you feel about reason as far as wanting a new synth device. i wanted that too as well as midi out. all i really wanted was midi out , but you did get a new sampler with kong. but i can't say that i'm not please with this new upgrade because im stoked about it. im not sure if you have the beta as of yet but you will see a few good things incorporated with it. most of the people that disappointed arent' registered users at props site so for me i can't value there opinion on the products because i feel that haven't invested money or time with reason to comment but thats just me.
but when i look im not talking about reason being discussed because of the upgrade im talking about random threads about reason in general. reason is discussed more than any other daw that i see on fp. coming in second would be fl.
 
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Im happy with this update, Im not sure how many new synths I would want to add to reason, we already got Thor, Subtractor, Malstrom + Combinator....use your imagination :-). The one thing I would like to see in Reason would be a physical Modeled Electric Piano set ala EVP88/Lounge Lizard. I think something like that would fit well with the rest of the instruments.
 
funk come on i know you're just baiting people for an argument here. calling the reason/record combo a "scratch pad tool" and all that. if for you it is nothing more than a scratch pad then that's cool. but some people do use reason+record for serious production.

if sampling, kong, blocks, octorex and neptune aren't for you then that's cool. but remember that you don't represent everybody and you also don't have the authority to speak for everybody.

speaking for myself i really like this update. the ability to sample into the samplers is a big deal for me. as well as the new sample editor. the inclusion of kong is huge for me. i've wanted a drum synth is reason for ages. now they've added one with "analog" synthesis, physical modelling and sampling capabilities. it also comes stacked with a bunch of very nice and useful fx.

this upgrade to reason and record has convinced me to drop reaper altogether. i will now be working in reason+record and renoise (with plugins...) exclusively from now on.

if you don't like the upgrade that's ok but stop trying to bait people who actually like the product with sly remarks.
 
Focused said:
Im happy with this update, Im not sure how many new synths I would want to add to reason, we already got Thor, Subtractor, Malstrom + Combinator....use your imagination :-). The one thing I would like to see in Reason would be a physical Modeled Electric Piano set ala EVP88/Lounge Lizard. I think something like that would fit well with the rest of the instruments.
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i would have love to see a new disk streaming sampler in Reason...

i think those large sample libraries (i.e. omnisphere, trilian, ewql, kontakt, etc) with the articulation, scripting and keyswitching sound great...

having something like this in Reason more than likely would effect the cost of the product. which is another innovation Props has brought to the table, what you so get in Record/Reason is a steal for the price...

again, no one is bashing Record/Reason but you got to admit that those large sample libraries sound great. if Record/Reason had this capacity to utilitize these types of libraries the game would be over for me...

and yes, i would pay an extra $100 to $150 on top of the $129 upgrade price for these features.

p.s. i do not expect any/everyone to feel the same way but i know what i like...
 
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