propellerheads are soon gonna announce something new/ The Reason 5 thread

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I agree 100%. The only communication with Reason/Record is audio itself, and Rewire. I don't really have a problem with this because I have other software. In Props defense I will say this, they are really attempting to make software that doesn't really require anything else. People who are just getting into making music with software can actually buy Reason/Record and make music.

Especially Hip Hop.

This is Reason: The Hip Hop Revision!!!!!!
this is actually what i love about Reason. By not supporting 3rd party apps you also don't have to play by anyone else's rules. The company has a lot of room to be creative but on the flip side they have to keep in mind things that other companies are doing and make basic add ons. I really feel that Kong was a need as was sampling and Record. In order for Reason to grow it has to get some more basic features from other programs. Like internal sample editing. I am excited to see what happens for Reason 5 and 6 as well as Record 1.5 and 2

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is there a note repeat function in kong?
not that ive seen which is kind of disappointing
 
Propellerheads need to come up with some Artillery/Effectrix/The Finger type effects now...
 
Reason/Record is great for someone just getting into making and music as well as someone who wants an all in one (or should I say all in two) environment in which they can do just about anything.

That being said, producers who are already accustomed to another host probably won't want to leave their other host entirely based on the new update. I'm certainly not leaving Live, but having Reason as a plug in, or Reason/Record as a plug in is nice to have in your arsenal.
 
Sonar is set up to mimic a hardware studio so much that it is easy to get on with it because of its layout.

Anyway, Beatscape has 16 slots with 16 individual outputs plus the master stereo output. Any pad can be routed to any output. It has internal slicing for wav files for each slot or it can load REX files.

Damnit, stop right there you're trying to get me to spend more of my money, beatscape definitely looks very cool. It's a bit of the opposite for me, sonar never really clicked with me in terms of making music, I prefer reason or live for that. Still I think I've made some of my best mixes when I was using sonar 7.

Anyway back to the topic at hand, so you don't even have to resample using the audio pool? That's nice, again why didn't they show that off more in the videos(which are still pretty well produced though)?
 
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Damnit, stop right there you're trying to get me to spend more of my money, beatscape definitely looks very cool. It's a bit of the opposite for me, sonar never really clicked with me in terms of making music, I prefer reason or live for that. Still I think I've made some of my best mixes when I was using sonar 7.

Anyway back to the topic at hand, so you don't even have to resample using the audio pool? That's nice, again why didn't they show that off more in the videos(which are still pretty well produced compared)?

I definitely hated composing in Sonar for the longest time too, which is why I used Project5 and then Live...but Sonar 8.5 PE had changed all that with the midi improvements.

I don't know why they didn't show off resampling either. That is a great feature to have, especially for live remixing.
 
ohwell...
This thread probably won't be as active anymore
we have seen all the big features in reason and record..

82 pages deep of discussion.. wow
I think every one here has a little bit of reason in their hearts lol

come on fl studio, wheres your big update
9.5 was announced recently
 
Sonar is set up to mimic a hardware studio so much that it is easy to get on with it because of its layout.

Sonar 8.5 is sweet. I think I prefer it to Live for composition...so Live may just be a "live" and remix tool for me. I tried to make it my "all-in-one", but didn't work out...I still preferred mixing and mastering in Sonar. Still, Live is nicer with rewiring Reason than Sonar is though...Rewire is too painless in Live to be discounted.

Anyway, Beatscape has 16 slots with 16 individual outputs plus the master stereo output. Any pad can be routed to any output. It has internal slicing for wav files for each slot or it can load REX files. It has awesome effects from Rapture/Dimension Pro as well as the step generators from Rapture to tweak each slot for pan, volume, pitch, cutoff, and resonance, has various parameter controls plus three effect slots per pad slot. When you click on each slot, the keybed at the bottom gives you one key for the loop and also keys for the individual slices. Even with the new Groove Matrix view in Sonar 8.5 which can load REX files...Beatscape is still an awesome instrument to be used in conjunction with the matrix. I use it in Live too. It is a good instrument in its own right.

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Nice. That will be lots of fun. They did say you can sample all this stuff live without ever stopping the engine didn't they?

yeah you can have a beat just playing and randomlly sample when you feel without ever having to stop playback.
 
Reason/Record is great for someone just getting into making and music as well as someone who wants an all in one (or should I say all in two) environment in which they can do just about anything.

That being said, producers who are already accustomed to another host probably won't want to leave their other host entirely based on the new update. I'm certainly not leaving Live, but having Reason as a plug in, or Reason/Record as a plug in is nice to have in your arsenal.

The R/R Duo is only $400 right now...for $500, you can get Sonar 8.5, which is also a very complete package for just getting started...and probably better than the R/R package on the whole. It would really depend on which way one wanted to go. To VST or not to VST...of course, it has always been like that in terms of Propellerheads route or some other route...especially for people just getting started.
 
i asked a few pages back but this damn thread moves so quickly people prolly liturally over look posts!


i had my heart set on buying NI's Maschine but i already have a mpd.

is kong going to make me change my mind about getting maschine?!?!
I was highly considering buying machine. This has totally changed my mind. Machine's sampler style is definately easier but I like Reason/Record's all in one package deal where i can do everything there and be done rather than having to bounce from machine and take it to a daw for mixing

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It would change my mind. Remember, Maschine is still software too, but the controller is just more interactive without the hassle of setting it up manually.

In any case, I would go with Reason and pass on NI altogether. Maschine is still a drum sampler, Kong is light years ahead of that. Drum synthesis, physical modeling, sampling...Yeah, I'm impressed with it.

I hope Kong causes LinPlug to add some physical modeling to RMV. :)

Everyone using Reason and/or Record has no excuse not to get Recycle now.
Recycle still has its uses like groove extraction and if I had a drum loop that was a wav file on my pc that i didnt record in Reason I would chop it in Recycle rather than load into Reason's sample editor. But for the most part yeah Recycle is dead
 
ok...so Reason 5 is basically here...

is this gonna require a dongle like Record???
 
I was highly considering buying machine. This has totally changed my mind. Machine's sampler style is definately easier but I like Reason/Record's all in one package deal where i can do everything there and be done rather than having to bounce from machine and take it to a daw for mixing

Not to mention that Kong is way ahead of Maschine in terms of actual coding. Of course, that is if one is into drum synthesis and physical modeling. Propellerheads just upped the ante on the all in one drum box with Kong. RMV and BPM were close in terms of sampling and synthesis...but alas, physical modeling was genius.

Is Kong sequenced in the piano roll, or does it have its own XOX sequencer?
 
I was highly considering buying machine. This has totally changed my mind. Machine's sampler style is definately easier but I like Reason/Record's all in one package deal where i can do everything there and be done rather than having to bounce from machine and take it to a daw for mixing

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Recycle still has its uses like groove extraction and if I had a drum loop that was a wav file on my pc that i didnt record in Reason I would chop it in Recycle rather than load into Reason's sample editor. But for the most part yeah Recycle is dead


I figured this would sway people back toward reason, in all honesty, I hope NI is paying attention to this. This is not the same concept as NI Maschine, but I think people are more concerned with the results, and this is something that potentially will yield the same results, I havent played with it though, so once I do I will honestly state my opinion as a reason owner for 7 years and a Maschine owner for 1 Year.
 
I will honestly state my opinion as a reason owner for 7 years and a Maschine owner for 1 Year.

i'll be looking forward to that review...as i'm sure many others will too...

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i also think it's really dope to get better and better as your software gets better and better...

it's like a part of you...it grows right along w/ you...it's kinda strange...
 
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Scale Clips by Resizing
By pressing the alt or option key, Record 1.5 lets you timestretch individual clips. Now you can stretch loops to match your song's tempo, or expand samples to eight times the length for completely new sounds.


Additional CV inputs on Combinator
The Combinator in Reason 5 is expanded with new CV inputs on the back. The four new CV inputs can be used to control any parameter on the contained devices, providing even more options and possibilities for sound designers. <----I know Mr Gibbs lovin that!

Tap Tempo
New in the transport panel is the Tap Tempo button.


That time stretch really got me, I CAN'T WAIT!





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What do you wanna see done up in recycle?


speaking of it, I need to load that back in my computer with the new 2.1.2 update with my Leopard I hope it don't glich up and works proper because it was acting crazy in snow leopard. :smokinFP:
oh man! i didnt see that feature where u can bounce samples from records sequencer hell id rather just chop from the sequencer tahn this editor with the razor tool. all the mroe reason to buy Record
 
you can flip the rack around. there are "virtual wires" connecting the record in to the sampler input. but you can easily set it up so the samplers within reason record directly what is coming out of reason. again this is another great improvement as you are finally able to resample within reason.

as for reason adding an effectrix type device. well people have already created some crazy fx units for glitch type fx using the combi. obviously you don't have as much control over the result but if you're imaginative and chain a couple of fx combis together you can get a similar, or even superior, result to what can be achieved with devices like effectrix and dblue glitch.

in regards to people dropping other DAWs to come over to reason+record. i don't think this update is big enough to make that happen. in reality it would have to be an absolutely crazy update to make that happen. but i think propellerheads now have an environment (reason+record) that you can create full compositions in. creating the beat, recording vocals and instruments and mixing it down.

unfortunately the "problem" with propellerhead products will always be that they won't support plugins. i personally don't mind this and it is actually one of the reasons why i love the propellerhead philosophy. nowadays there are so many different software solutions on the market. a lot of developers seem to be trying to outdo each other simply for the sake of it. making their software bloatware just for the sake of it.

with every propellerhead release they have given us stable software that is delivered in an intuitive fashion. that is the mark of good design.

but i'm not a propellerhead lunatic and i don't hate plugins. i love my plugins. that why i also use renoise as my other sequencer. this allows me to use the great plugins by native instruments, urs, audio damage, d16, voxengo. as well as great freeware stuff by developers such as bootsy. one great thing about renoise is that it's an extremely stable environment. i've had almost no problems with crashes, freezes or anything.

i know a lot of people who use reason and another DAW rewire reason into their main DAW. i used to do that too up until i copped record. now when i use reason+record i use them solo. as great as rewire is it is still way more inconvenient that being able to simply open a vst plugin in your host of choice.

like others have said i think reason+record(+recycle...) is a great starting point for anybody wanting to get into production. it has a relatively low price point (400euro). and with it you do get a "virtual studio". you have everything there; synths, samplers, drum machines, reverbs, delays, dynamic fx, you also get the very nice ssl modeled board in record.

as reason is a self-contained "virtual studio" it is semi-modular in nature. because you can visually see the wires when you flip the rack it makes experimental routing combinations very easy to imagine and perform. that is probably the thing i love about reason the most. it's very easy to use but if you want you can get deeper into it. the reason environment is great for sound sculpting possibilities. just take a look at the combinator and think of what you can do with it. the fact it doesn't tax your CPU when you layer thor after thor after thor is amazing.

actually i've always wondered how plugins would be actually implemented into reason... would every plugin be given "virtual" audio out cables as well as "virtual" cv cables? take into consideration simple things like getting plugin devices to fit the rack as well as the back graphic design for third party devices (which propellerhead would have no control over). how would any of that be done? but that's a question relating to the GUI more than anything else.


in this update i know some people wanted new synths (especially me as i am a synth guy) but the 3 synths already available in reason are more than sufficient. subtractor is a great bass synth. i usually layer a couple of these together for a nice bass sound.

malstrom is a truly unique synth and there is nothing in the VST world that compares to it. i love it for creating odd noises and weird pads.

thor is a great semi-modular synth. by itself it has amazing sonic capabilities.

if you add all these synths together. throw in the semi-modular nature of reason and the combinator then you have almost unlimited possibilities for sound design.


in saying that i'm glad i can still use fm8 and trillian...
 
Does anyone know if the sampling features in Reason can resample from within Reason?
you can

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as you see i didnt' even respond to him but its not point i'll keep it moving. The thread was good until he came in here with the silly statements and assumptions.
agreed i was catching up from that point on

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There is a difference in layering sounds and having multiple banks available.



Looks like live sampling is limited to an external audio source, although if you had record you bounce to disk and then that'd be in the sample pool right, which could then be edited, or am I wrong on this?
im aware of that I guess i just misunderstood the question. When they said one sound per pad I thought they literaly mean that. I never got into banks in software did with my mpc but dont see the point of going into deep banks in Reason

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Reason/Record is great for someone just getting into making and music as well as someone who wants an all in one (or should I say all in two) environment in which they can do just about anything.

That being said, producers who are already accustomed to another host probably won't want to leave their other host entirely based on the new update. I'm certainly not leaving Live, but having Reason as a plug in, or Reason/Record as a plug in is nice to have in your arsenal.
the thing is though and a lot of people dont get this is that when you have both Reason and Record you aren't using 2 programs. I mean u can use Reason standalone if you want to but otherwise you are using Record and Reason's features are added to record including well everything. There is no going back and forth from one app to the other its all right there no rewire required it would be like having all of the Record features in Reason already.

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The R/R Duo is only $400 right now...for $500, you can get Sonar 8.5, which is also a very complete package for just getting started...and probably better than the R/R package on the whole. It would really depend on which way one wanted to go. To VST or not to VST...of course, it has always been like that in terms of Propellerheads route or some other route...especially for people just getting started.
sonar isnt exactly the most stable system out there. you get audio dropouts and random crashes that I have never gotten once in Reason

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ok...so Reason 5 is basically here...

is this gonna require a dongle like Record???
no dongle for Reason there will still be a dongle for Record

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Not to mention that Kong is way ahead of Maschine in terms of actual coding. Of course, that is if one is into drum synthesis and physical modeling. Propellerheads just upped the ante on the all in one drum box with Kong. RMV and BPM were close in terms of sampling and synthesis...but alas, physical modeling was genius.

Is Kong sequenced in the piano roll, or does it have its own XOX sequencer?
you use the normal reason sequencer. Kong itself is just a drum module like the rest of the reason modules
 
I have not had all that many problems with Sonar over the years. None since 8.0 or 8.5 at all. I think it is more people having driver issues that Sonar issues.

My usage has been rock solid these last couple of years.

But you are right, I too have never had a drop out or crash with Reason or Record. Not a single one. That is impressive.
 
Not to mention that Kong is way ahead of Maschine in terms of actual coding. Of course, that is if one is into drum synthesis and physical modeling. Propellerheads just upped the ante on the all in one drum box with Kong. RMV and BPM were close in terms of sampling and synthesis...but alas, physical modeling was genius.

Is Kong sequenced in the piano roll, or does it have its own XOX sequencer?

yes when i first got the beta and opened up kong i thought it was just a drum machine that used samples. the addition of both "analog" synthesis and physical modelling was a brilliant move by propellerhead. i'm really loving the device.

in regards to sequencing kong. no it doesn't have it's own xox style sequencer like redrum. but of course you can hook up redrums to kong and sequence that way. or another way would be to go into blocks mode. set how long you want you pattern to be (eg. 2 bars) and then set the quantise function to whatever you want (eg. 1/16th). i wasn't that thrilled about blocks when it was first announced but already i'm thinking of using it in ways that will be essential to my workflow.
 
I figured this would sway people back toward reason, in all honesty, I hope NI is paying attention to this. This is not the same concept as NI Maschine, but I think people are more concerned with the results, and this is something that potentially will yield the same results, I havent played with it though, so once I do I will honestly state my opinion as a reason owner for 7 years and a Maschine owner for 1 Year.
i think youll really like this update
 
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