Progressive house vs Progressive Trance

[Bongo Fiend]

back to the original question

What is the difference between these two styles.Are they the same.Give me a example of one progressive
house track and one progressive trance.track.
Best regards
Sean

Listen to John Digweed's Los Angeles compilation.
In general, CD1 is what I'd say is on the 'housier' side of progressive (wihch I prefer, presonally) and CD2 is what I'd say is on the 'trancier' side.

But like Hogus says, it's about the set rather than the individual tracks. There are tracks on CD1 which are quite trancey and vice versa.

I highly prefer progressive trance....is it me or does trance have more things involved....such as pianos and strings and stuff..i dunno..i like prog trance....

Not necessarily, but yes, prog house is often quite minimal.
On the other hand there is some very intricate, complicated prog house out there - but there are more layers of rhythm and cool percussive samples, instead of obvious sounds like pianos etc. Each unto their own

 

[Zman]

i always thought progressive meant that the structure of the song is "progressive". sure all songs are pretty much progressive but tracks labelled progressive (at least at the records shops around me) are the ones that are extremely progressive in that they start with a simple bassline then a break with a long and dramatic build with minor scales and then a huge release into a major scale, then it repeats. you know what i'm talking about.

You mean like Hardware's Trance Acid 2?

 

[Tristano]

no, he didn't mean that

 

[Zman]

well what the hell DID he mean?

 

[Bongo Fiend]

progressive structure

sure all songs are pretty much progressive but tracks labelled progressive ... are the ones that are extremely progressive in that they start with a simple bassline then a break with a long and dramatic build with minor scales and then a huge release into a major scale, then it repeats. you know what i'm talking about.

No no, I think we're missing the point here. There is no fixed structure in progressive house - so to describe the genre in such specific terms is to pigeon-hole it very narrowly.

I'd also add that major scales are not very common in prog house. In my experience, a lot of prog house doesn't have really obvious chords. Like much dnb, the tonality is more subtly implied by the bassline, tuned percussion, etc. I certainly favour the more rhythm-focused stuff, and house with less obvious chords.

P.S. What is "weenie music"?!

 

[Zman]

It's the kind of music that you mix with your "weenie." make sure you have a hard-on before going after rotory mixers though.

 

[DJMangazm]

Re: progressive structure

No no, I think we're missing the point here. There is no fixed structure in progressive house - so to describe the genre in such specific terms is to pigeon-hole it very narrowly.

that is just what i had thought, i am by no means a genre classification expert, but it is just that everything (most) that is labelled progressive at the vinyl shop by my house faollows that structure. but that's just what i thought.

I'd also add that major scales are not very common in prog house. In my experience, a lot of prog house doesn't have really obvious chords. Like much dnb, the tonality is more subtly implied by the bassline, tuned percussion, etc. I certainly favour the more rhythm-focused stuff, and house with less obvious chords.

right, major scales are not used much in house, but i what i meant was chords, not scales, my bad. if you listen closely (mostly trance im talking about here) the build will be in minor chords and it will release into major chords (not neccesarily a scale). this is by no means true in all progressive trance, but it is common.

P.S. What is "weenie music"?!

my word for the overly pilfered, overly saturated style of trance i am talking about.

 

[dJ sHoE]

prog trance

 

[Funktekk]

I see prog as the more deeper complex stuff ie. digweed.

What separates house from trance, imo, the high hats. If you listen to house records or those labeled prog house as opposed to those labeled trance you'll hear a more complex dominant high hat part in the house.

 

[DJMangazm]

it's more than than, the main thing that separates house from trance, as i see it, is that trance is melody heavy, while house is bassline and percussion heavy.

but your right, more hit hats and claps in house (part of the bassline percussion deal)

 

[Funktekk]

right I was just trying to keep it simple.

 

[Bongo Fiend]

major/minor chords

if you listen closely (mostly trance im talking about here) the build will be in minor chords and it will release into major chords (not neccesarily a scale). this is by no means true in all progressive trance, but it is common.

Hmm ... I think you should find a record shop with a greater diversity of tunes I guess it all depends on what you call prog trance.

I can't really say I agree about the minor-major chord thing. If anything, I think most trance uses a mixture of chords in the breakdown (especially chords 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7, which all build up tension) and once the beat comes back in, it's mainly on the tonic chord (i.e. minor). IMHO very few decent trance tunes are in a major key.

I think the one of the interesting things about Binary Finary's 1998 (what an excellent tune ) is that the tune is in a minor key, but nearly all the chords are major. It is to this that I attribute its uplifting, but non-cheesy, sound.