Pro Tools VS. Nuendo

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I have been virtually raised using Nuendo. I have had thoughts of giving Pro Tools a try, but I am always getting mixed messages about the two. Most people tell me that Pro Tools is the "Industry Standard", but alot of people also tell me that Nuendo is better in certain aspects. Can I get an opinion? Or 2?? Or maybe 3???:hello:
 
Some people make their beats in Cubase/Nuende, than export each track separately to mix it in Pro-Tools.
I myself find it a lil bit difficult to mix in Cubase, I'm actually used to FL.^^ I wanted to check out ProTools too, to look how to mix with it.
 
Nuendo is a $3000 media creation DAW utilizing both video and audio. If your just making beats go with Cubase 4 it's cheaper but has the same layout and no support for video.

Pro Tools is a tricky chapter in all honesty. Pro Tools started out for tracking multiple streams of audio. The software itself has been around for 15-20 years. To truly get the most out of Pro Tools like the high track counts and the excellent HD/TDM plugins which ultimately you have to invest at least $10,000 in just hardware to use. Pro tools Le and M-Powered are nice for home users but the limited audio track count can be something that holds you back if your using a lot of outboard gear. Max recorded audio channels are 32 unless you buy the availible upgrade pack by digidesign.

Now for the money you could spend getting an entry level Pro Tools Setup you could get a nice pc or mac, a great keyboard or out gear you like. good software like cubase, sonar, logic pro.

The best bet is unless your building a big recording studio that has a huge live room and are planning on doing a band or something go with a good computer a nice keyboard or controller and get cubase sonar or logic and some nice plugins.
 
So true thats why I'm investing in Logic Pro. Pro Tools LE is cool but it isnt really Pro tools. I just figure I could do my creations from Logic and other gear and just bounce it down and load it in Pro Tools HD at a studio for cheaper than if I was to cop that for the house. The money I save on that I could be using on Avalon pre amps or Duende or a Voyager yadadamean
 
Cubase SX has all the audio capabilities that Protools HD has.

With Cubase, you can use any ASIO interface you want. With protools, you have to use theirs.

Protools LE is not the same thing as Protools HD. They are compatable, but don't fool yourself into thinking that it is the same.

Cubase SX has no track limit, you can add tracks until your computer chokes.

Protools is the industry standard because it has been around the longest. It is a quality program, but it is not 'better' than Cubase or Nuendo. In fact, it isn't even all that different.
 
YES, the dude from the music store said exactly the same thing what you guys said about Cubase and Pro Tools.
I'm actually happy with Cubase, I just wish it would be more simply to mix in it like in FL. I don't like the effects they are coming with Cubase. Maybe I should get some extra effects, other compressor and EQ.
 
rocsta said:
YES, the dude from the music store said exactly the same thing what you guys said about Cubase and Pro Tools.
I'm actually happy with Cubase, I just wish it would be more simply to mix in it like in FL. I don't like the effects they are coming with Cubase. Maybe I should get some extra effects, other compressor and EQ.
What do you find hard about mixing in Cubase? (protools is set up about the same way)

Here are some free plugins that sound great.
http://www.kjaerhusaudio.com/classic-series.php
 
I have spent time with Cubase and Pro Tools and I found them both easy to mix in but I prefer the interface and editing in Pro Tools. Both are solid programs however prefer to mix in Reason itself. When mixing vocals I do all of that in Sonar Home Studio. It has a 64 track limit but I don't get passed 15 so I never had any issues with a track limit and for $99 it can't be touched.
 
sillyhat said:
What do you find hard about mixing in Cubase? (protools is set up about the same way)

I think it's just the fact that I'm used to FL. Look how the Cubase EQ in contrast to the FL EQ looks like:
Cubase_FL-EQ.jpg
Cubase_EQ.jpg


Actually they are doing the same thing, but there is still a difference. The FL EQ is very easy to use and you can experiment with it easily.
With the Cubase EQ, you need to know what you are doing, you need more knowledge. IMO the FL EQ is better to control.

But I found a way to import the FL EQ in Cubase, so I can still work with it. ;)
 
sillyhat said:
What do you find hard about mixing in Cubase? (protools is set up about the same way)

Here are some free plugins that sound great.
http://www.kjaerhusaudio.com/classic-series.php
I've been looking for these forever, had them back when I had no clue of what I was doing, but they worked great! Really easy interface too. Didn't even know Kjaerhus made them, no wonder they were so good.
 
rocsta said:
I think it's just the fact that I'm used to FL. Look how the Cubase EQ in contrast to the FL EQ looks like:
Cubase_FL-EQ.jpg
Cubase_EQ.jpg


Actually they are doing the same thing, but there is still a difference. The FL EQ is very easy to use and you can experiment with it easily.
With the Cubase EQ, you need to know what you are doing, you need more knowledge. IMO the FL EQ is better to control.

But I found a way to import the FL EQ in Cubase, so I can still work with it. ;)
The fruity loops EQ is a paragraphic EQ and the cubase one that you put up is a parametric. On the cubase mixer (f3), hit the button with the 'e' on it to open the channel strip. There you will see the knobs. If you insert one of the other EQ's (it comes with 2 or 3) on the channel, you will get more options. That 'track view' option that you are using is just to get a quick view, not for serious mixing. You should be using the mixer, that's where all the real control is.
 
sillyhat said:
The fruity loops EQ is a paragraphic EQ and the cubase one that you put up is a parametric.
Look exactly at the picture, there is a big text it says "Fruity Parametric EQ".

On the cubase mixer (f3), hit the button with the 'e' on it to open the channel strip. There you will see the knobs.
Yes this EQ is really better than the quick EQ. And it's similar with the Fruity EQ it has knobs and a graphic. I just must get used to it.

If you insert one of the other EQ's (it comes with 2 or 3) on the channel, you will get more options.
Ok I found a Plug-In named 'Q' how the others are called?

You know what I also don't like, the presets in the Compressor in Cubase called Dynamics. Are there any good presets in the inet to download?
I actually work with presets then I fine-adjust the value to my project individually.
 
rocsta said:
Look exactly at the picture, there is a big text it says "Fruity Parametric EQ".
If it has sliders, it's a paragraphic. That's how you can tell. A graphic has just sliders and fixed frequency and Q. A parametric has adjustable frequency and Q. A paragraphic has both. IT doesn't matter what the nice people at fruity loops decided to call it.


rocsta said:
Yes this EQ is really better than the quick EQ. And it's similar with the Fruity EQ it has knobs and a graphic. I just must get used to it.
It's the same EQ, the picture is just different.


rocsta said:
Ok I found a Plug-In named 'Q' how the others are called?
I have nuendo and I have another plugin called 'nuendo EQ' and a bunch more. I can't remember which ones came with and which ones I've added later.

rocsta said:
You know what I also don't like, the presets in the Compressor in Cubase called Dynamics. Are there any good presets in the inet to download?
I actually work with presets then I fine-adjust the value to my project individually.
Compressor presets are just useless. By the time you call up a preset, set the threshold and attack and release times, you could have just set the ratio yourself as well. There are not that many parameters on a compressor. It's pretty important to know what they all do. As soon as you learn that, your stuff will sound a lot better.
 
Well me personally i use FL 6 to make beats and i mix with protools and then master with soundforge 8. it took a little mini to get pro tools down pack but i got it and love it.
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Here are my preferences

Production:Cubase/Nuendo
Mixing:Nuendo/Cubase (Due to good 5.1 integration)
Editing:Pro Tools HD (NOT LE !!!)
Mastering: I dont do it.
Video Editing/SFX Mixing: PT (simply because no one will accept your files if you do it in any other program)

PS: PT LE is a piece of $#!T! HD is a whole other thing all together, if you can afford it.
 
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If it has sliders, it's a paragraphic. That's how you can tell. A graphic has just sliders and fixed frequency and Q. A parametric has adjustable frequency and Q. A paragraphic has both. IT doesn't matter what the nice people at fruity loops decided to call it.
Ok good to know. ;) thx

It's the same EQ, the picture is just different.
What I meant by that is, that the EQ in the mixer with the knobs is better to use and control. The value will change on both, when you change one of them, that's clear for me.^^

I have nuendo and I have another plugin called 'nuendo EQ' and a bunch more. I can't remember which ones came with and which ones I've added later.
Hmm Nuendo is actually made for Video-Production or how Steinberg call it Post-Production. Are you making something in this area with Nuendo?

Compressor presets are just useless. By the time you call up a preset, set the threshold and attack and release times, you could have just set the ratio yourself as well. There are not that many parameters on a compressor. It's pretty important to know what they all do. As soon as you learn that, your stuff will sound a lot better.
Yeah that's right, I must learn to get into this! It would take my music to an another level. I need a book or something like that, not easy to find a good one in my language.

see ya
 
rocsta said:
Hmm Nuendo is actually made for Video-Production or how Steinberg call it Post-Production. Are you making something in this area with Nuendo?
Yes. I do music and looping (voiceover in movie-speak) for commercials, industrial videos, movies, and just plain music production for CD's.

When I got into Nuendo, it was still version 1. Cubase SX and Nuendo didn't merge into the same thing until version 2. Byt that time, I was already a nuendo user and just followed the upgrade path.
 
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I just started using nuendo, Its hot. I use it with my fantom x8. I dont know everything yet but I'm learning. I might get the digi002 just to get used to pro tools too so I have knowledge of both
 
So you've freaking spent your time and money on Nuendo. Now you wanna tell anybody you find it lame and wanna change it to Protoons.
You gotta be kidding, man.

EDIT: I won't revise that statement, but the other way around is either that lame. lol.

I just don't get some peoples way of thinking. I might be be off somehow... dunno./...
 
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