Pitch Shift Sampling, Kanye

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What do you guys use to put effects on your samples? Like that Kanye sound. Sounds like a lot of people use pitch shifting, usually to pitch higher for the alvin and the chipmunks effect.

but what else do you use in addition to this? or what do you use instead of this?

what do you do if your sample is already really high in pitch but you want that kind of effect on it so that it sounds sampled and pitch shifted?

I have a female vocalist who comes in and free styles singing on my beats so I can cut them up and use them for new beats or whatever I want.

What should I use to make to get that Kanye type effect?

Oh and just for clarification I dont mean like what machines do you use, i mean like what FX, like chorus, rotary, tremolo, pitch shifter etc that kind of stuff...
 
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Just pitch shift.....make sure your vocalist is recording at a really slow tempo...so that when you pitch its not moving at like 120 or above bpms
 
What's really happening is Kanye is using a record. The song/beat he's listening to (to sample) is too slow of a tempo to rap on. So he slides the pitch-shift on the record player until the beat is at the right tempo. If the vocals are pitched up or down, so be it. But the primary consideration is the tempo of the beat itself. You can do all this on the computer too, but it's not as intuitive and easy as doing it on the spot while you're listening to the sample (i.e. with a turntable)
 
jizzer said:
What's really happening is Kanye is using a record. The song/beat he's listening to (to sample) is too slow of a tempo to rap on. So he slides the pitch-shift on the record player until the beat is at the right tempo. If the vocals are pitched up or down, so be it. But the primary consideration is the tempo of the beat itself. You can do all this on the computer too, but it's not as intuitive and easy as doing it on the spot while you're listening to the sample (i.e. with a turntable)
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he said in number of interview he pitch up the sample in his sampler (asr 10)
 
dont mean to sound like an ******* but is anybody else surprised that this question is still asked?
 
Well, I use FL Studio lol. People make this out to be alot more difficult than it really is.
 
usually i timestretch and then pitch if i want that effect.

sorry to say this but the pitched up (or chipmunk) effect is really played out now. it was popular a few years back but now it's kinda corny.
 
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bxdiplomat said:
he said in number of interview he pitch up the sample in his sampler (asr 10)
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He can say whatever he wants, but that wouldn't make a whole lot of sense to do it in the sampler after he sampled it. Does he take each chop, and pitch them all up after the fact as well? Mad pain in the ass compared to just sampling at the right speed to begin with. But to each their own I guess.
 
jizzer said:
He can say whatever he wants, but that wouldn't make a whole lot of sense to do it in the sampler after he sampled it. Does he take each chop, and pitch them all up after the fact as well? Mad pain in the ass compared to just sampling at the right speed to begin with. But to each their own I guess.
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he don't makes beat as fast as he can so it don't mater how how long it take. plus you can pitch it down or up more in the sampler then then turntable.
 
Pitch shift to get the sound then time stretch to get it to
the speed/tempo you want it at ... Not hard at all
 
bxdiplomat said:
he don't makes beat as fast as he can so it don't mater how how long it take. plus you can pitch it down or up more in the sampler then then turntable.
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Whatever man. You're wrong, but whatever.
 
H&R said:
Pitch shift to get the sound then time stretch to get it to
the speed/tempo you want it at ... Not hard at all
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cosign. I wouldn't say that pitch shifing is a "kanye" effect at all. Its a feature of the turntable. In order to beat match some of the slower soul music to the faster hip hop music, you have to pitch up to spin the platter faster.

kanye doesnt get credit for this, Panasonic does.
 
jizzer said:
Whatever man. You're wrong, but whatever.
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“I sample them at regular speed, then speed them up inside the ASR-10,” he explains. “I just put the pitch up on the sampler, and it will go faster. The ASR-10 is like my left hand. I can chop samples into 61 pieces without wasting any memory. A lot of old songs are too slow to rap on. So I got to speed them up to a rappable tempo.”
http://remixmag.com/artists/hiphop_R&B/remix_kanye_west/

 
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bxdiplomat said:
“I sample them at regular speed, then speed them up inside the ASR-10,” he explains. “I just put the pitch up on the sampler, and it will go faster. The ASR-10 is like my left hand. I can chop samples into 61 pieces without wasting any memory. A lot of old songs are too slow to rap on. So I got to speed them up to a rappable tempo.”
http://remixmag.com/artists/hiphop_R&B/remix_kanye_west/

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maybe if should start sampling . kayne was making that heat
 
bxdiplomat said:
“I sample them at regular speed, then speed them up inside the ASR-10,” he explains. “I just put the pitch up on the sampler, and it will go faster. The ASR-10 is like my left hand. I can chop samples into 61 pieces without wasting any memory. A lot of old songs are too slow to rap on. So I got to speed them up to a rappable tempo.”
http://remixmag.com/artists/hiphop_R&B/remix_kanye_west/

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BX JUST OWNED U

jizzer said:
Whatever man. You're wrong, but whatever.
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lolol read above comment
 
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lolol read above comment
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Yeah I did. I just don't believe it. And if it is the case, it's plain a stupid way to do it. First, you'd have less control over the speed of the sample compared to using a player. Second, after you pitched it up (by playing a higher key on the sampler), the ASR would have to have a way to set that pitch as the new sample pitch, and then let you cut it up to keys. Or maybe he samples into the ASR and changes the tuning of the whole sampler until it's speed up right, and then he chops? If that's the case, that's a different work-flow than "sample into ASR at regular speed, play a higher key for the sample, and then chop that (sped up) sample across the 61 keys" - which I haven't seen a sampler yet that does that.

When you listen to a record at 45rpm that's supposed to be 33rpm, you get a chip-munked sound that sounds cool. It occurs to you that you might wanna try all your records at different speeds to hear how the beats work better or worse. This is common for record-digging samplers. But it's probably not how MP3's or CD's are listened to.

Therefore, it's logical to think that Kanye learned about speeding up beats the same way most others have - on a record player (or CD deck). It's not logical to think that Ye' does it some weird new way that no one has ever heard of.

And since the OP was asking about how Kanye got the chip-munked sound, I think it's more important to explain the reason why the chip-munking began...to speed up the beat itself. Kanye was original in that he used lots of chip-munked vocals before anyone else (and lots the other things that make dude nice), but chip-munking came from speeding up the beat...not playing up 12 keys on the sampler. If you did that, you have to re-engineer what the new tempo is after the fact, and that's just a pain compared to doing it the common way.

Anyway, there's nothing you can say to change my mind, and it's probably the same for you. So we can agree to disagree. I don't believe more than 5% of what any producer or rapper says. But it's a free country. Maybe the OP has learned something from this.

ah man, I just watched that video! LOLOLOLOL

yeah, he samples it in a regular speed, pitches it up using the keys, and then gets STUCK on the beat-matching!! LOL thne he grunts and mumbles something about how if they have to take all day they will (LOL), then he looks over at his dude on MPC like "get this **** done!":D Then he plays a different track for the camera while his dude is doing the work in the MPC!! Then Kanye goes back over and claims credit like the real producer he is:D

my dudes..I'm an old man, and I'm trying to help young cats where I can. If this has gotten personal, and yall just wanna battle the Jizz on the beats, we can do that. But I don't think "Kanye said it, so I believe it." is the type of thing to be defended so vigorously. Kanye ain't taught any of us to make a beat, but people drop jewels around here all the time. This beat-making ain't easy, despite what anyone says. There are specific techniques that make a huge difference, and I see on this forum sometimes where people will disregard a small, but important piece of knowledge being dropped.

Anyway, none of us have time to argue about this ****, right? Peace.
 
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not sure if this helps but you can always do the madlib/quasimoto thing during the mastering process.

that is, have your girl sing to your beat on a lower BPM, then bring it back up to the speed you're looking for. experiment to see the best differential she'll be chipmunked but your beat won't.
 
irock,
your beats are hot! what machine are u using? i was laughing when you put on your comment the mpc is not the machine!
 
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