Numark TTX1 turntables

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Another thing we all have to realize is that a lot of people, including myself, do not want to have to upgrade. Think about a 16 year old kid who worked his *** off for half a year to get a pair of 1200s. Do you think he is going to let someone tell him that he bought an inferior product? I know I would have typed rebuttals until I had carpal tunnel if that would have happened to me... A lot of people are content with what the 1200s deliver. That does not mean that they satisfy every desire, but they do what DJs need to create an awesome atmosphere.
After saying that, I still think that most of the arguments presented by 1200 supporters are completely valid (as are most of the pro-Numark points). I would much rather have what some DJs consider bare bones features, and have unbelievalbe reliability, than have a lot of toys (I do not mean to be insulting...) and lose sound qualiity or have a bigger possibility of an on-site equipment death. I think that the Numark table is a step in the right direction (and I am glad they included an s-arm...), and maybe I will get one to play around with in the future, but I am not moved enough to get rid of a 1200 to make room...
-Peasant Nikon
 
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Hey to the owners of the TTX,


I read that the wow and flutter on the TTX's were high. Do the beats stay steady over a long period of time from what you've seen and will it affect mixing?
 
I've spun 2 copies of "No Escain This" by the Beatnuts all the way through (about 4 min) and the stayed together without a problem.
 
It's all personal...

I think this subject really relies on the person... I have a pair of 1200's since I started djing (they are made in 1986 and 1988). And they perform perfectly today. But the next turntable I'm getting is the TTX-1... But that doesn't mean that I'm getting rid of my 1200's.

When I go to Guitar Center, I shoot right over to TTX-1's and PDX-2000 and drool over their features and looks. Eventually, I will purchase a pair of TTX-1's also. However, I will ALWAYS have at least a pair of 1200's because I know I can always trust them. What the heck am I going to do with 4 turntables?? I consider my 1200's "collector items." I already told my brother and my girlfriend to bury my 1200's with me.
 
As far as Turntablism and scratching go there isnt a more suitable table than the X1, the reverse switch comes in very handy, you can scratch a sample, let it play then hit the revesrse and make a different sounding scratch, or just catch it again at the start! also on a lot of battle records there is a track of one long tone which can be used to make tunes with the +-50% Pitch, the BPM counter is useless (as are most i would imagine) but the screen looks nice and although doesnt make the X1 a better table, it certainly doesnt remove from it, its handy to know which settings your at. The table even has fully adjustable start stop times, its a beast!
Il upload a session from them soon and after that people wont be so quick to knock them, IMO they are a step closer to making the turntable a 'proper' musical instrument.

oku
 
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this thread is pretty interesting. i'm not a turntablist so i may have a different perspective (or may be considered narrow minded). i can see how a +/-50% pitch range could be useful to someone who drops in a quick vocal sample but that's about it. unless the pitch fader is as long as the deck itself, to me it's useless. the resolution is just way too fine to actually match beats for more than 15 seconds. as for the digital outs, the only use i see for them is the ability to connect directly to a PC or MD for recording - there's nothing about that function that is important to a dj. and on to panasonic. the 1200 was not originally designed to be a dj turntable, djs just adopted it. panasonic has made minor upgrades over the years like the pitch fader vs. the knobs, but it's basically remained the same design. what else does a dj really need? i mean it's a turntable for god sake - the technology of the vinyl record is archaic. to 95% of the world, the vinyl record is dead. to the other 5% which are the record collectors and us it is alive and well. but how much can you improve upon it? unless we're talking laser turntables i personally can't see how. somehow i think panasonic is more apt to go after the other 95% of consumers and make real money on the other products they make. i'm just glad they are still making decks. now the denon S5000 that's where it's at - taking current technology and really improving upon it. of course if you want my vinyl, you'll have to pry it from my cold dead hands :D - jeff h
 
dynagroove you would be right if people only used turntables to play a record and walk away. Tablism is an art form in itself. Its using tables as an instrument to produce different sounds and effects. If all you choose to do is spin records then i Could understand why you
wouldn't care about the other stuff, but there are a number of DJ's that are into scratching and juggling and creating new music with there turntables and the pitch blend and other features may help add to the art form.
 
play a record and walk away

Pase - as i said above, i'm not a turntablist, but that doesn't mean that i "play a record and walk away." i think that mixing trance or house or breaks or drum & bass is an art form just as turntablism is - sorry you don't. as for new features that turntablisits want, i think vestax pretty much coined the market years ago. if all i did was scratch, i'd be investing my money in a pair of vestax decks. i am also curious to know why numark dropped the price of this deck over 30% right after it came out. i have honestly never seen a well worn pair of numark decks - i wonder why that is. we'll see how these hold up over time. - jeff h
 
Just wanted to say...

...without posting a new thread, but I'm ordering Tech's in a week. Don't know about the TTX-1, but I have the TT-1600. There's really no face to express laughter, but if there was one, I can guarantee that there'd be three of them <right here>. I mean...I know it's their cheapie budget table, but I would seriously suggest to budding DJ's that they just master plate-spinning and attempt to DJ with that skill instead of a pair of these bastards. (Don't got a pair, just one for playing tunes. It kinda' sucks at that, even.)

:cheers:
 
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I think a lot of ppl is missing the point. I personally think that a different and forward looking mixer can change and improve the way of mixing records WAY MUCH MORE that anything added to a turntable. I just want a +/- 4 od +/- 6 option on my tech, thank you, I DON'T need anything else, I don't want fancy screens that blind me, don't want my records to go 50% faster... but yes I WANT a concept mixer that is going to be different and that is going to completly change the way I mix. I want an fx pedal to have FX and my hands free while I scratch. I want a mixer with an operating system and an 5" lcd with touch screen. There I want curve adjustment like I adjust parametric eq's in Logic. I want control points... I want memory that remembers my sick setups... I want a mixer-workstation that when I don't need it it's just a plain battle mixer that I kick around and it just resists (OS turned off :).

Air FX was a cool idea. Numark PDM01 with velocity sensitive faders and Alesis FX is a GOOD idea. I don't know how it works but it's thinking in the right direction. 3 crossfaders on the Infader was cool. Vestax vertical turntables were a BAD idea. :)

Think forward.
 
Whether you like it or not the X1 is the most innovated table available, especially for Turntablism, having effects in a mixer is all good but the main instrument is always the table, a mixer will always be able to add to the art but if DJs want to be taken seriously as an artist then the table must provide everything they need, and at the minute the X1 gives more features than any other turntable, hell it can play vertically too! I’ve lifted the table to almost 90 degrees and it’ll play perfectly! The bad boy can even be scratched at this angle.

oku
 
Dyna- Yo missed the point I was trying to Make. I didn't mean that all YOU did was put on a record walk away or that mixing is not an art.Most scratch DJ's start out mixing....I did. My point was that anybody who DOES more than put on a record and walk away should want more options available to them. If you don't need don't use them, but that doesn't make the useless.
You are trashing Numark, but they are attempting tou cater to YOUR needs as a DJ. I'm not Numark's biggest fan, as a mater of fact before the X1's I never really thought about buying a set of Numark decks. I've spun 12's and 2k's and like them both for different reasons, I just giving numark credit fir making a solid table that is a VIABLE alternative to the 12's .
 
You can thank the industrial designers at Design Continuum for the TTX-1. They are a pretty talented design firm in Boston, they have designed hundreds of things. They are also responsible for Numark's Fusion series mixers.
 
Pase

hey man, i see your point. having an added choice in the market is always a good thing. i'm just trying to say you can only go so far with a turntable - that's not the turntables fault, it's the media - the vinyl itself. vinyl is delicate as we all know and things are being done with it today that are extremely hard on the media. straight tone arms and expanded pitch ranges do damage to vinyl. as far as numark goes, all i can say is i'll have to wait and see. i personally rely on a brands reputation. when vestax started making decks, i was skeptical as i would be about any new product from any company, but they have proved themselves. they make great decks. i can't say the same of numark. believe me, i'm hoping i'm wrong here. i would love to see the TTX-1prove to be reliable and rise above all other decks. until then, i'm not so ready to give up my 12s. as for options, i like what the TTX-1 has to offer, it looks nice, i like the adjustability of it and the key lock function is great. you just gotta remember that this is my personal opinion based on my experiences and you don't have to agree or even listen for that matter. - jeff h
 
Hi dudes, back again to this TTX1 debate...:p

I´ve been playing regularly (every weekend) on a pair of TTX1s side-by-side to a pair of MK2s, which I own and play for more than a decade now.

Although I was not blown away by the X1´s it was the 1st time that going back to the Techs I felt something missing... not the gimmicks, not the dozens of features every manufacturer cram in their decks to make selling points, but the new Numarks felt solid and serious to me - and I´m a stubborn Technics admirer and lover.

I don´t feel compelled to trade my Techs for the TTX1´s but I´m totally comfortable with them today, top decks they are. The reliability records are not yet set and will take some time to be so, but right from the go this is purebred DJ stuff of high caliber IMHO.

The price of decks is another issue. Market (demand-offer ballance and customer regulations) rule this, so high demand, product reliability and customer confidence dictates that both used and new Techs cost what they cost, period. We pay for the same basic yet extremelly reliable features since the 70´s and 80´s. Panasonic never felt that demand for these decks were low enough to reduce costs and thus profitability (which is the ultimate goal of every corporation), basically cuz we keep complaining and moaning at the same rate we keep pimping and valuing and buying it, so market rules again...:p

Same is true for newer decks coming out every week, with updated and thus `old´ or `new´ (whatever...) features coming in and out all the time and dictating obsolency, planned or not by the manufacturer. This alone puts any superdeck soon in the not-so-fancy category, and price drops cuz no one wants old, dated crap - unless it´s a myth, a surefire, a forever-thing like a Technics.

This f*cking sh*t happens all the time with cars, a Ferrari is always a Ferrary but you can buy a top, fancy Ford SUV anywhere, and tomorrow it´ll cost a fraction cuz you have plenty new ones to replace with much more goodies inside.

The Technics succeeded in great part for being totally up for the DJing task, yet it was never meant to be a DJ deck but rather and adaptation that fit well, very well, the DJs needs. These new decks such as the Numarks, Vestaxes, Stantons and Geminis have to their favour the fact that they are being developed with the specific DJ needs in mind, and in some cases more, and perhaps that should worry Panasonic more than anything else. Cuz people will see the new, the new generations are experimenting and much more open to new ideas (when they´re not buying old sh*t blind from ancient die-hards...).

Just my 2C....;)
 
djcorea said:
I think a lot of ppl is missing the point. I personally think that a different and forward looking mixer can change and improve the way of mixing records WAY MUCH MORE that anything added to a turntable. I just want a +/- 4 od +/- 6 option on my tech, thank you, I DON'T need anything else, I don't want fancy screens that blind me, don't want my records to go 50% faster... but yes I WANT a concept mixer that is going to be different and that is going to completly change the way I mix. I want an fx pedal to have FX and my hands free while I scratch. I want a mixer with an operating system and an 5" lcd with touch screen. There I want curve adjustment like I adjust parametric eq's in Logic. I want control points... I want memory that remembers my sick setups... I want a mixer-workstation that when I don't need it it's just a plain battle mixer that I kick around and it just resists (OS turned off :).
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wow.... what a thought......................
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I think we're too much stuck on the usual outputs-cueing-number of channels(rotary/line)-eq (or torque-pitch-tonearm on a TT, or invent it yourself)... rinsing it out over and over and over again and making different combinations with the same elements. Don't you think we should introduce some new elements? What's wrong with a touch screen on a mixer? The first one is going to suck and it's gonna have only few options, but then the next one is gonna kick ***. Like everything on this planet... we can't just suppose that it's not gonna work and break easily, and stuff like that... I can see that Numark is thinking forward. And that's good, whether my Technics a$$ is liking that or not...
 
I just want a +/- 4 od +/- 6 option on my tech, thank you, I DON'T need anything else, I don't want fancy screens that blind me, don't want my records to go 50% faster
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but then....

Don't you think we should introduce some new elements?
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ok given u are talking about a mixer and not a turntable, but why not to allow new elements to be introduced on a turntable? just b/c you cant take advantage of them doens't mean that their function is not useful. you are such a hypocrite that its almost funny. u see absolutly no need for any new features on a table, but yet you want a revolutionary mixer. if u didn't want any new features on a table or a mixer.. then i could understand, i still wouldn't agree with you, but at least then i wouldn't think ur a hypocrite, b/c u'd be a person completly closed to new ideas. But to say that a new feature on a table its pointless, and then to say it wouldn't be on a mixer, ok i keep repeating myself b/c i;m too pissed
 
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well this is an interesting topic.
Many of you know that I am working on my senior Industrial design thesis right now, involving DJ equipment. I must say it has been a tough task to take on, but exciting none the less. I have noticed three groups of DJs. 1. the nostalgic, those who spin vinyl on tech 12's and a mixer, and nothing else will ever satisfy them more. 2. Those who spin vinyl, the occasional CD and might use external digital devices to help them (software).
3. those who spin vinyl, CDs and MP3's and take advantage of everything technology has to offer.

I chose to design my senior thesis around #2 and #3, because they accept change, and are willing to try new things. However, I have designed the object with a strong physical and visual reference to the major components that #1 relies on.
I am currently designing two digital turntables and a digital mixer, using the latest in touchpad technology. The object is no more than an inch thick, about 38" wide, and 14" long. The crossfader, volume and pitch faders are all physical sliders, while all of the dials on the mixer use the touchpad. I can't say much more, but to summarize it uses some new features, as well as traditional ones. The object and technology is the latest in DJ equipment, however it was designed around the turntable, taking key characteristics from turntable designs and tweaking them a bit.

I design for open minded people, because my ideas are at times off the wall and new. I don't simply slap a new skin and color on something and call it my own and label it "new."

pheww, that's enough. I have never used the TTX-1, from a design standpoint, it is nice to see someone take a stab at something that is such a sensitive area to address. DJs want the best, most reliable, and powerful turntable out there. Rarely do features and style come into play. However if a compnany can supply all of those...why the hell not.
 
Lngrunner said:
ok given u are talking about a mixer and not a turntable, but why not to allow new elements to be introduced on a turntable? just b/c you cant take advantage of them doens't mean that their function is not useful. you are such a hypocrite that its almost funny. u see absolutly no need for any new features on a table, but yet you want a revolutionary mixer. if u didn't want any new features on a table or a mixer.. then i could understand, i still wouldn't agree with you, but at least then i wouldn't think ur a hypocrite, b/c u'd be a person completly closed to new ideas. But to say that a new feature on a table its pointless, and then to say it wouldn't be on a mixer, ok i keep repeating myself b/c i;m too pissed
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Did I say "not allow"? Did I say it shouldn't be done? Call me names you want mate, I really don't care, I was just saying what I think, I wasn't telling you what to think.

If I would have to make a scale of impact of a piece of gear on the mix and room left for improvement of a certain piece of gear (and possibility for fresh ideas), improvements of a turntable would get a 3, and improvements of a mixer would get a 9 on a scale from 1-10. Anything can be connected to a mixer. It's a higher level in hiererchy. If you change that level from the root, everything underneath changes too (the way you use gear your connect to it, and the sound that comes out, not only quality-wise but also changes in sound if you use filters, or if you mix in a different way). So if I have a funky mixer with a distortion pedal, and crazy filters and a touch screen for adjusting stuff and a little pamela anderson that comes out from the spare fader container to make me a cocktail when I spin (just to exaggerate) it's gonna change the way I mix way more than a funky blue display on my TT or some other brake/start adjust that I will maybe use once every 5 mixes...

Thik about it in this hierarchycal (I wrote that right?) way... what makes impact on your mix the most (supposing that everything works properly), ordering it by level of importance? In a standard setup, and that means no fancy unusual gear, first - you, second - mixer, third - media player you use (cd, vinyl, dat, minidisc, whateva).

My 0.2...


DesignJ - large up for the touchpad. And focus on haviong a nice physical "feel" of the thing. The feel is important in anything, from a car, to a keyboard, finishing with a mixer+tt+vinyl. And give it a nice smell, gear has to smell good :) Involve all senses, that's key to success :)
 
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