Neptunes accused of stealing beats

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This was posted on Sohh.com. I always had a gut feeling the Neptunes searched the net for ideas. They are so computer savy, I thought they must use the net sometimes in production.


As the Neptunes' Pharrell Williams and partner Chad Hugo launch their new album, Star Trak presents...Clones today in stores nationwide, they must do so amidst allegations from a young Canadian man who claims that Williams and his Star Trak Entertainment ripped off beats that he posted on their Web site.

In an exclusive interview with SOHH.com, 18-year old Joseph Zakoni accused Pharrell and Star Trak President and long-time Neptunes's manager Rob Walker of copying and manufacturing his beats - without consent - that were posted on the label's message board last April. Zakoni insists that Star Trak Entertainment strung him along into believing that he would eventually become a part of the Star Trak production team, including future plans to work with the likes of Super Cat, only to be duped while they manipulated his productions.

Hugo and Williams started Star Trak Entertainment with Walker after establishing a relationship with Arista Records and its President, Antonio "L.A." Reid. The deal entails that The Neptunes produce, develop and sign new artists to Star Trak, and Arista Records handle all marketing, promotion, sales and distribution responsibilities for the new label. Zakoni says he was initially contacted by the label after he posted some of his beats on their website under the username, "knukurru."

"They [Walker and Williams] discovered me online last April on their message board," said Zakoni via e-mail from Canada. "They basically flew out to meet me [in Canada], and promised to give me money to buy equipment, since all I used [to create beats] is this sh!tty software stuff."

It was from that meeting, which took place at Canada's Much Music Studios, that Zakoni realized that Walker and Williams were really interested in his style of production - which coincidently took Zakoni by surprise. "I was reluctant from the start, because like, I didn't really give a sh!t about it much," Zakoni says, who insists that making beats up until then was strictly a hobby. "But they kept getting all excited about having me on their team or whatever."

In August, Joseph Zakoni says he met up again with Williams and his group, N.E.R.D. (No One Ever Really Dies) at the Warped Tour. He received V.I.P. tickets from Rob Walker to attend the event, and it was there that he turned over more beats to Pharrell to pass on to Walker. Since that last meeting, Zakoni insists he has heard nothing more from Williams, Walker or anyone at Star Trak. However, months after he noticed that Pharrell and The Neptunes had begun to incorporate his productions into theirs.

"They flew me out to New York once," Zakoni recalls of a previous encounter, "and I walked into the studio and was like, 'Oh awesome! They're playing my beat...wait a minute...', and [then I realized] it was that 'ni99a Please,' Jay-Z bullsh!t." Zakoni has gone so far as to present to SOHH.com what he calls proof of the theft -- an MP3 that displays the shocking similarities between his original production and Neptune-produced Jay-Z track. Other tracks that Zakoni alleges The Neptunes stole from his collection are tracks by Canadian/Jamaican-descent rapper Kardinall Offishall ("Belly Dancer") and Nas ("Flyest Angel") - which is currently receiving modest play on radio, and sits at #29 on New York's Hot 97's (WQHT) play list.

Zakoni said he's sought legal advice on the matter, and although he has a strong suit against the Neptunes and Star Trak, the case would have to be prosecuted in New York City and he does not have the funds to go ahead with any legal actions. His attempts to rectify the situation with Star Trak Entertainment, Rob Walker and Pharrell Williams have gone stale, and he's received unpleasant phone calls from Walker and company requesting that the allegations cease. "Yeah, they phoned me up with a courtesy call, more like a threat, basically [telling me] to shut the f#@$ up," said Zakoni. All calls made by SOHH.com to Rob Walker and Star Trak Entertainment regarding the allegations were not returned.

While The Neptunes continue to blaze their path of success with their unique, and unorthodox-style beats, Zakoni can only sulk with his belief that part of their reputation is based on his hard work. "I got really angry one day after I heard Pharrell say [in one of his rhymes] 'I hand out styles like ice cream cones' in that 'Hot Damn Remix'. I was like, 'yeah, [and] one of those styles is mine, you f#@$.' He's said some other underhanded stuff [pertaining to me] in his lyrics, like in the hook for the 'Belly Dancer' remix."

Clones will no doubt raise the bar that has already exceeded rock-star status for The Neptunes. The LP will include tracks from Busta Rhymes, Kelis, Clipse, Ludacris, Nelly, N.O.R.E, and many more top-notch artists in hip-hop and R&B. But all Joseph Zakoni wants is retribution, and a bit of respect for the art that he created - the art he alleges Williams and Star Trak Entertainment took away from him.

As for his story, Zakoni says he could really "give a sh!t less if people believe it or not." "There's nothing concrete that you can judge about an idea, an intention, a situation," says Zakoni. "Anyone who understands the situation believes me. Anyone who visits their forums believes me, because they saw the whole [thing] play out. It's that simple. I'm presenting the alternative, so people can do whatever they want with it...I don't give a f#@$. It [the story] is out there."




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The link didn't work for me. Anybody have a copy of the track this guy says he made?
 
Tough situation

I think the thread is the thread is called "neptunes showing you how the industry works" I have a copy of it at a 192 bit rate. I don't have a site though, someone give me their e-mail, who can put it on mp3.com or soundclick. THe beat was adjusted, but it does sound very similar. I hope dude had a copyright.
 
Re: Tough situation

C.P. said:
I think the thread is the thread is called "neptunes showing you how the industry works" I have a copy of it at a 192 bit rate. I don't have a site though, someone give me their e-mail, who can put it on mp3.com or soundclick. THe beat was adjusted, but it does sound very similar. I hope dude had a copyright.

Exactly.
 
I wouldnt mind hearing the tracks too, funny I went to thier site, all works fine except the forums.
 
Click a search on here. The link to the file was posted maybe two months ago.
 
Well I listened to the track, and I'm not convinced. I mean if they jacked anything they just took his bassline. And the Neptunes made it hot with the guitars they added, not to mention the classic Neptunes sound for the hook. Nobody would've touched the track this kid made. He should stop cryin at get a life, because he's not gonna win in court. Maybe in FP court but not in a real court.
 
wow i can tell you like this i think this kid is on some bs y is cause he don`t care about beats then whats the ****in problam i swear be4 neptune start it with there neptune beats i had a boss dr.5 which i had sents 98 and i have neptune sounding tracks i gave out free back in 99 just drums now can i say they stole my **** no i can`t why its all music and im sure we all made a beat that sound something like neptunes or dre or tim or any other producer for shorty its a rap if they took his sh*t its over he's ****ed and he will lose the case neptune have to much money this kid did not have copyrights so . now he must shut the **** up cause he startin to sound like a bi*ch and the beats sound close but they have a guitar and a clap so now is it his beat nope
 
ITS ASHAME

It is ashame that people will first off, believe anything Joe Blow says on the web and secondly the things that people will do to get attention. Reat the article...dude says he met up with N.E.R.D. on the warped tour, that is such crap, b/c they are not on the warped tour they are on the Sprite Liquid Mix tour...which means he is LYING! You all need to get real and get your stuff together and stop believing everything you see, hear and READ! haha..check me out at vision entertainment
holla!
 
It aint that serious to me either way. I just posted the thread because it gives me something to do while at work. I doubt he would make up the part about meeting them.-what's the purpose. Producers jack beats all the time. That's why copyrights are key even to the amateur beatmaker. SOhh is one of the most legit hip hop sites on the net. I am not saying he's right. I am just saying he must have presented a decent enough case for sohh to post it.
 
SHIIIIT....

as far as the audio link----a lot of tracks blend together when you tempo match...

they really are not the same.
Why would you send your tracks to a beatmaker anyway? The artist needs tracks, not the f'in NEPTUNES.

peace!
Scott Slagle
Asylum Digital Recording Studios
http://www.asylumdigital.com
 
yo i dont mean to side with the neptunes simply cus their famous but they are famous for a reason. the audio "proof" is ridiculous. how can you say someone ripped off this guys beat when if i wanted to i could make all of my beats seem liek the neptunes bit them. if this guy is genuinly getting ripped by the neptunes i really feel for him but his proof isnt the best of it.
 
asylumdigital said:
SHIIIIT....

as far as the audio link----a lot of tracks blend together when you tempo match...

they really are not the same.
Why would you send your tracks to a beatmaker anyway? The artist needs tracks, not the f'in NEPTUNES.

peace!
Scott Slagle
Asylum Digital Recording Studios
http://www.asylumdigital.com

Ever hear of the term ghost producer? Mel Man was a nobody till Dre put him on. The kid said he posted beats on their forum. Its possible. Canibus used to visit internet forums.Someone did say that the forum has since been removed. Is this also a coincedence? I respect the Neptunes but these kids aint gods.
 
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Of course-They definitely aint Gods...
I was talking about posting beats on their site or unsolicted mailings, etc, etc, etc...
That is just asking for it.

Ghost work usually comes from working relationships-not emails or webpostings


peace!
Scott Slagle
Asylum Digital Recording Studios
http://www.asylumdigital.com
 
I listened to that beat, and they definitly jacked the percussion/congos section of dudes beat, does he deserve side credits, yeah, money, maybe. I'm not a lawyer I dont know for sure. Regardless, they aint givin a ****.
 
well

i used to check out the StarTrak Forums and I remember when it all went down.

The forum moderator was trying hard to defend pharrell, but nobody was havin it! hahaha!

He said he was gonna put an end to StarTrak...hehe
yea rite.

good luck.
 
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