More producers than rappers?

  • Thread starter Thread starter Precious P.
  • Start date Start date
Precious P.

Precious P.

THE PRODUCERETTE
I noticed that it appears that currently there are more producers looking for artists than artists for producers. Whereever I read musician classifieds, I rarely read: Artist in search of tracks/producer
But there are always tons of ads from beatmakers/producers looking to give out their tracks...

So, what do you think about that?
 
Yeah, it feels that way sometimes but fortunately half those "producers" are wack. Then again, half of those "rappers" seeking tracks are wack too so umm... it cancels out? I dont know, I'm confused.
 
Anybody can put a kick, clap and a sample together these days with all the cheap software out and say they produced a song...Now adays the super producers are getting as much or more shine and money then the artist they produce for...Everybody is trying to be a star, and they're tryin to get is where the fit in. It is easier to put together a drum pattern then it is to write lyrics.

Correction though,
There are more BEAT MAKERS then Rappers, but not more PRODUCERS then rappers, IMHO.
 
There are still more rappers than producers... but the ratio is becoming more even. Alot of people just want to RAP... then they see that market is saturated, and since they wanna still be involved with music then production or engineering becomes their new outlet. So now, everything is becoming saturated... just too many damn people. Now, it's all about finding your niche, and making the consumer love it.
 
it's late, i feel dirty, who's at fault? producer/rapper/engineer

Ok, it’s like this, at least in my eyes. It’s 4 sides. Producers/Artists Rappers/Beat Makers. All or at least most BM’s have the potential to become Producers, but that depends on the rapper/artist. A rapper will hear your beat and go into the booth and try to emulate his favorite RAPPER AND “FREESTYLE or as I like to call it now-a-days “lie to my mic.”

It’s easy to fool the ears but a little harder to fool the eyes (but not impossible). Now the same BM with the same beat (although unlikely) with a true artist will have a slightly different session. The artist “THINKS” discusses with the BM about their vision of how they think it should go and changes are made accordingly and the BM has to do a little more work and this is where a producer comes from. A producer can sit in front of the console and tell the engineer what changes need to be made or make them himself. The point is the idea went from a 3 minute loop of the 16 measure verse and 8 measure hook to a SONG. But there is yet another to factor into the equation. The consumer/fan.

99.2 percent of listeners only listen to the beat. The other 0.8 who actually listen to the lyrics in association to the beat are mentally nauseous and have permanent head phone marks around their ears and that radio in their car defers the sounds of “we’re number 1 for hip hop and r&b. Being a producer is an art form. Imagine if in the 14/15 hundreds you were Michael Angelo and you just crafted “The Creation of Man.” Next to your painting hung Iwona B. Ah’Star III’s “The Evolution of the Stick Man” which took 3 ½ minutes to draw with a chalk stick on 1 ply toilet paper. But lets just say that back then painting was like rap is now. And Iwona B. Ah’Star III’s Stick Men went Platinum at that time. We all know how the story ends at least some of us.

Beat makers make beats and producers make music. How many beats you seen puff make? Now on the other arm "rappers" live off beats, as opposed to a good artist who can hear any type of music/beat/instrumental/simple arraignment or whatever and make a song come to life. I guess what I mean is this, if the producer already put in mad work making the beat itself hot the “rapper” can proceed to say anything and still know it’s going to sale. Not because it’s hot lyrically but because 90% the arrangement cant be lied and will sale itself. I sat down with this kid the other week and he was going through my catalog. After about 15 tracks he was like "you aint got nothing with some vocal samples like that Rick Ross or that slowed up Texas style?” I laughed and played some of the easiest “beats” I ever made, looped and spit out. To me the whole process was a letdown because I was looking forward to “producing the track.” As opposed to “F12 and you rap!” I guess that’s what it’s all about now. On the other arm I know this artist that comes to the studio I’ll play a track and he’ll vibe/listen/feel/think/rethink/ discuss the idea think about the best way to approach the idea and then it’s F12 and we banging the hook out.

It seems like a long process but the end result is music! The one thing I hate about being an engineer is “yo punch me in!” Because when you on “main vocal 1_34-1 what’s the point? And I know that as a engineer it’s not my job to tell the artist how his/her music sounds to me but rather the sound quality is nice and it is my job to make it sound as such. But don’t come to the studio to record talking about your rims/jewelry/MONEY/GUNS/women/Drugs/ Cars and how you balling in general. And before the session started tried to pay the balance of your session in change (quarters and dimes) /came to the studio in a Daewoo/ guns? Between 8 dudes not one of them even cocked back or pointed a sling shot before.

This Is the reason I back up all of my audio files, to keep a record of all the dumb **** “rappers” say especially when it’s like take 34 of the main vocal and you still f n up. So I’ll wait until one of these dudes blow and then I’ll expose the true him to the public. I’ll just put together all the out takes of them in the studio before the edits, before the punch ins.

It’s been a long week and I needed to vent I’m just tired of the S>O>S when it comes to music. I’m starting to hate the very thing I lived for. 20 years from now where will rap music be? I hope it’s so 76ed like disco.

Money us to be the only 5 letter dirty word but now it’s spread to MUSIC.

Thank you fp for letting me vent. Se you next year.
 
man too many wack copycat beatmakers killin this thing i have a passion for ,music!!!!!i hate these "froducers" with a passion.lol!!!!!!!!!!!!man too many people makin these beats i need to get my own sound that blows these fools out the water!!!!!!!!!!they dont even love this music like that they just want some money,fame and girls!!!!!!
 
I think so many people "make beats" because they think they can sell beats... no one is looking for ghost writers so they think that people really need beats. Plus as people get lazier and lazier (is that a word?) the more they don't want to have to memorize raps or even write them.

I used to rap and now only make beats... plus rapping gets boring because you can only use so many words to rhyme... sounds are infinite. They why you have 10 people rhyming party with Barcardi... (I can still rap better than 55% of the people rapping but I have no desire to)

Plus you can play beats for people over and over... no one wants to hear a rap without a beat but people would like to hear a dope beat without a rap... not many times but it's more entertaining.

With torrents and people selling cracks of software... I see more beat makers emerging and it won't stop.

I know a 16 year old dude that says he's a rapper, he's not that good but now he wants me to teach him how to make beats... I made one using REASON stock sounds in about 10 minutes... (using my .rex shortcut) and the dude got all excited.

I think he's making beats and talking shyt about being the best now... probably on here, lol. I showed him the site. He said that he and his crew will never pay for beats, they just scour Soundclick individually for free beats and bring all of the beats together and they pick the ones they like.

That dude from D12 is selling 'em for $50... I hope people really like making music... cause it looks like using music as a come up is about to be over.

Who saw that Rigg Morales vid where he said a lot of industry producers just got a reality check when PMP started?

People will work for cheap. Sort of like beat prostitutes or something. I can see it now, a bunch of dudes on a street corner selling beat CD's like hookers, lol. "I got that fire mang! $5... $5 nigga, this is that crack homie... okay, $4... $3... that's as low as I can go playa... c'mon na"
 
Last edited by a moderator:
skatt...if only more people could read what you just wrote. I've never been a rapper...but these days it doesn't take much to be one and I'm correlating that to my work. I'd like to see more concepts and albums with a purpose rather than the formula of Club Track, Club Track, Gangsta Boo for the Homies type ish. Hopefully T.I. vs T.I.P. will make these fools step their game up.
 
i have no trouble finding rappers, my problem is finding ones that I feel are of quality that are worth working with. I got a couple dudes in the works right now, hopefully these guys pan out.

You have to get out and talk to people to find the good ****. Theres 8 million rappers and 8 million producers on myspace. Myspace is advertising and promotion, its not a job fair. Hope that made sense.
 
ya.... there are alot of whack rappers, and alot of whack producers.... so i think it kinda evens out.

check out this for instance... http://youtube.com/watch?v=mqg3cxvbL3M

ppl wud look at producers that make beats like that and left, and they'll never go back to check out that producer's muzik ever again...

u know when muzik is good.. u'll prolly favorite the producer's myspace page or somethin, but when the producer's muzik is bad.. you'll just move on and search other pages, and that's a bad producer forgotten........

yall prolly don kno where im goin with that one.. cuz i can't explain sh1t too good but ya..
 
Last edited by a moderator:
skattboi said:
Ok, it’s like this, at least in my eyes. It’s 4 sides. Producers/Artists Rappers/Beat Makers. All or at least most BM’s have the potential to become Producers, but that depends on the rapper/artist. A rapper will hear your beat and go into the booth and try to emulate his favorite RAPPER AND “FREESTYLE or as I like to call it now-a-days “lie to my mic.”

It’s easy to fool the ears but a little harder to fool the eyes (but not impossible). Now the same BM with the same beat (although unlikely) with a true artist will have a slightly different session. The artist “THINKS” discusses with the BM about their vision of how they think it should go and changes are made accordingly and the BM has to do a little more work and this is where a producer comes from. A producer can sit in front of the console and tell the engineer what changes need to be made or make them himself. The point is the idea went from a 3 minute loop of the 16 measure verse and 8 measure hook to a SONG. But there is yet another to factor into the equation. The consumer/fan.

99.2 percent of listeners only listen to the beat. The other 0.8 who actually listen to the lyrics in association to the beat are mentally nauseous and have permanent head phone marks around their ears and that radio in their car defers the sounds of “we’re number 1 for hip hop and r&b. Being a producer is an art form. Imagine if in the 14/15 hundreds you were Michael Angelo and you just crafted “The Creation of Man.” Next to your painting hung Iwona B. Ah’Star III’s “The Evolution of the Stick Man” which took 3 ½ minutes to draw with a chalk stick on 1 ply toilet paper. But lets just say that back then painting was like rap is now. And Iwona B. Ah’Star III’s Stick Men went Platinum at that time. We all know how the story ends at least some of us.

Beat makers make beats and producers make music. How many beats you seen puff make? Now on the other arm "rappers" live off beats, as opposed to a good artist who can hear any type of music/beat/instrumental/simple arraignment or whatever and make a song come to life. I guess what I mean is this, if the producer already put in mad work making the beat itself hot the “rapper” can proceed to say anything and still know it’s going to sale. Not because it’s hot lyrically but because 90% the arrangement cant be lied and will sale itself. I sat down with this kid the other week and he was going through my catalog. After about 15 tracks he was like "you aint got nothing with some vocal samples like that Rick Ross or that slowed up Texas style?” I laughed and played some of the easiest “beats” I ever made, looped and spit out. To me the whole process was a letdown because I was looking forward to “producing the track.” As opposed to “F12 and you rap!” I guess that’s what it’s all about now. On the other arm I know this artist that comes to the studio I’ll play a track and he’ll vibe/listen/feel/think/rethink/ discuss the idea think about the best way to approach the idea and then it’s F12 and we banging the hook out.

It seems like a long process but the end result is music! The one thing I hate about being an engineer is “yo punch me in!” Because when you on “main vocal 1_34-1 what’s the point? And I know that as a engineer it’s not my job to tell the artist how his/her music sounds to me but rather the sound quality is nice and it is my job to make it sound as such. But don’t come to the studio to record talking about your rims/jewelry/MONEY/GUNS/women/Drugs/ Cars and how you balling in general. And before the session started tried to pay the balance of your session in change (quarters and dimes) /came to the studio in a Daewoo/ guns? Between 8 dudes not one of them even cocked back or pointed a sling shot before.

This Is the reason I back up all of my audio files, to keep a record of all the dumb **** “rappers” say especially when it’s like take 34 of the main vocal and you still f n up. So I’ll wait until one of these dudes blow and then I’ll expose the true him to the public. I’ll just put together all the out takes of them in the studio before the edits, before the punch ins.

It’s been a long week and I needed to vent I’m just tired of the S>O>S when it comes to music. I’m starting to hate the very thing I lived for. 20 years from now where will rap music be? I hope it’s so 76ed like disco.

Money us to be the only 5 letter dirty word but now it’s spread to MUSIC.

Thank you fp for letting me vent. Se you next year.

real talk man.. just took the time to read this.
 
The rabbit hole gets deeper! The same dudes you see shinning now getting that “paper” won’t last long. What happens when that rapper or producers’ not hot anymore? When they have nothing to fall back on? No education? Most rappers/producers aren’t real musicians. It’s talent vs. time. anybody can sit in their basement and tap on some pads or click a mouse to a step sequencer and come up with something that sounds fairly good/ call it music/ and that’s it. And if they find the right sample, get it to the right artist, the first thing they do is go shopping to celebrate their celebrity or claim to fame. How about invest that into something that’s not a roll of the dice, maybe a certification or degree of some sort. So when you can’t find that hot sample or you in a funk, you can still keep it moving as an engineer or freelance musician.

But what about the ppl who can sing a song while playing the keys/guitar/or any other instrument? A rap session usually lasts for a hours and most of the work is done by the engineer, hitting F12 followed by 3 on the numeric key pad/or “my bad start over, I didn’t know were recording” my sessions now consist of ctrl z followed by F12. or my recent favorite now is “can you make me sound like T-pain.” Nobody is original. Everything is money motivated and the true emotion is gone. That’s why I love alternative music (but your black). Yes, I’m black I’m not from Montana and obtw music has no color. These dudes se me driving slow blasting some good charlotte and their first thought is “he’s not from the hood!” Tell your favorite rapper to multitask while performing! People look at these “white boys” with guitars and say that’s whack! No, that’s real talent! For me music is life/emotion/my daily bread/my girl/my reason/second only to the all mighty and my sword. To most ppl it’s seen as a way to achieve money and fame. But not to worry! That day is fast approaching. Do you think Quincy would have sit in the control room and record lil boosie’s “hey bay bay” and thought to himself Man, this is music!


You cant lie to me rapper, non un, not today!
 
Skatt
I feel your pain! But your speakin the truth. Im engineer as well, and I can only listen to some rapper talk about the same ish for so long before I go crazy, or they forget the verus or they just have no presents on the mic, but there is a thin line between engineering and producing, well for me atleast, thats even more turn if its my track.....

Rappers today don't want music...they want something just like what they heard on the radio, the same old BS. HipHop is at its lowest point ever, but it is on its way up. Once the money is no longer the driving factor, and the CEOs of the majors and clear channel loose interest, the music will return, and all of the people ( rappers, producers, beatmakers, writers, Labels) who where in it for the money, and not the artform will be gone too. The hip hop Golden Era, came and went. We are in the ringtone rap ear now LOL, but it will be short lived, and change is going to come. The Hip Hop Renascence is coming!!!

Who will still be around???

I know I will!!!

Peace
 
"Commoditization of the Hip Hop Backing Track" would be a good thesis title.
 
Last edited:
Back
Top