Just got Beat Thang Virtual

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Audio software companies stand out as being exceptionally meticulous when it comes to copyright control. The only others that might compete are video companies, who share the same entertainment industry. This industry is sick, and ravenous. They all need a little perspective.

Their product doesn't need to be protected fiercely. This mindset is born in the same that leads to lawyers suing grandmas for downloading the latest Dr. Dre MP3, and industry reps holding pie charts that show how they lost billions because each download would've been a sale.

If you want to prevent casual copying of software, you do like everyone else does. You implement a simple unobtrusive barrier that makes it too difficult for the average consumer to bother with. One-time unlocking using a serial key works fine. Most people can't bypass that.

The system they chose doesn't do that. It requires you let it in your house, given full privileges, so it can spread through the walls and actively monitor everything you do. If it sees you holding a hammer, which could be used to try and disassemble, it grabs it out of your hand.

This does nothing to stop piracy. Everything can be cracked. Pirates are a minority, and most wouldn't have bought your app anyways. The only thing to worry about is casual copying, where it's easier to pirate than buy. That's when it could hurt sales. Otherwise it doesn't matter.

But look at what they did. It'd be easier to pirate than buy. Why should I register on their site, add to my cart, click through all the forms, wait days for box, cut through all the wrappers, plug in USB drive, install anti-piracy drivers, install application, email, wait for activation, if I could just download and run the pirated version in minutes?

If a software is easy to purchase, with immediate download, and my registration gives me extras like updates and access to their online media, then I prefer to buy rather than pirate. But if that software is bloated with anti-piracy code that always runs, I prefer to crack or boycott it.

Saying the distribution of software is not my decision is like saying a leased automobile is not mine to let a friend borrow. You can put patterns of bits and bytes on anything you like, engrave it in rock, or ship it on a USB drive. It still isn't the same as a physical object.

This concept is especially difficult for audio people to grasp, because they have their entire industry built on quicksand, but it's true. The Beat Thang Virtual USB drive looks stylish. That is a physical object. If I give that to someone, I no longer have it. Software is different.

They were upset because on KVR I posted, "If I don't return the Beat Thang, I may crack it." Combine that with a download of the software and it appears like someone just competed with you by side-stepping your complex operation and giving people what they want, the tool.

But what I meant was, if I want to run the Virtual someday, and they haven't figured out a better copy protection scheme, I will download the crack and crack my copy that I paid for. I don't care if that's technically violation of their license. It affects no one but me, and causes no harm.

That would've been the last resort though. First route was to email my concern and reasoning, with a request for remedy. Second is what I'm doing now, stirring some public backlash so they have a little pressure to rethink things so it doesn't hurt sales. Last is either crack or return.

The license is very clear. It's not just the beats, but the samples too.

"The Software contains various pre-recorded sounds (“Sounds”) and patterns (“Beats”). Subject to this EULA, BKE hereby grants you a limited, non-exclusive, non-transferable license, without rights to sublicense, to incorporate the Sounds or Beats into sound recordings produced by you and to copy, distribute, and publicly perform such sound recordings, provided that you provide an attribution credit to BKE as the source of the Sounds and Beats. You shall not copy, distribute, license, sell or otherwise transfer the Sounds and or Beats in their original and unedited or edited forms."
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Getting a response from the "President" doesn't override the license terms. What it says is what it says. If you agree, you agreed. When you have a hit record and they're poor they can unleash the lawyer hounds on you to try and shake you down for some cash. If they don't plan to, then why include it in the terms?

The USB drive should've definitely been a portable version you can run anywhere. They could've even customized every single copy that ships with the personal info embedded in the files so it'd need no activation system, and if someone leaked it they'd know who to sue. That's the point with my offering the download. What they gave me was nothing more than a generic trial I should be able to get anywhere.

I should have a licensed copy. They didn't ship one. They took the money, and shipped a trial. To get the licensed copy you need to fingerprint your PC and interlock it with their database. It never said this anywhere on their site. We expect to receive our software, not some trial. That's why it is something everyone should distribute. If you don't want us to, give us something personal that's ours.

They spent more time on the marketing hype than the product. The box looks cool, the drive looks cool, the fliers are glossy and full of slogans. But the software itself and everything around it like their shopping and licensing system is still beta. If I'm a beta tester, you pay me. Not me pay you. The software will need to be updated anyways. Do I get a new USB drive for every update?

No, I'll download it off their site. So let me choose to download it when I buy it, skip the shipment, and get my serial key immediately in my website account, which unlocks a simple unobtrusive mechanism. I'm helping you with this information. It will help with your business. We want this to succeed so we have more tools available. We want this to stir more competition and have Akai sweating.

Your software will be pirated. Get over it and worry more about your paying customers than the non-paying. That's how you get so many buys the pirated copies don't matter anymore. The music industry is funny how they think the way to succeed in business is sue and treat consumers of their product as potential thieves. You've got it backwards, and if you don't realize you'll go bankrupt.
 
I can't believe I read all of that. It was like a Stephen King novel.



Seriously, that copyright clause is bogus!!!! I don't want anything that requires that I give a credit for just using some one shot samples.
 
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Jamon said:
Audio software companies stand out as being exceptionally meticulous when it comes to copyright control. The only others that might compete are video companies, who share the same entertainment industry. This industry is sick, and ravenous. They all need a little perspective.

Their product doesn't need to be protected fiercely. This mindset is born in the same that leads to lawyers suing grandmas for downloading the latest Dr. Dre MP3, and industry reps holding pie charts that show how they lost billions because each download would've been a sale.

If you want to prevent casual copying of software, you do like everyone else does. You implement a simple unobtrusive barrier that makes it too difficult for the average consumer to bother with. One-time unlocking using a serial key works fine. Most people can't bypass that.

The system they chose doesn't do that. It requires you let it in your house, given full privileges, so it can spread through the walls and actively monitor everything you do. If it sees you holding a hammer, which could be used to try and disassemble, it grabs it out of your hand.

This does nothing to stop piracy. Everything can be cracked. Pirates are a minority, and most wouldn't have bought your app anyways. The only thing to worry about is casual copying, where it's easier to pirate than buy. That's when it could hurt sales. Otherwise it doesn't matter.

But look at what they did. It'd be easier to pirate than buy. Why should I register on their site, add to my cart, click through all the forms, wait days for box, cut through all the wrappers, plug in USB drive, install anti-piracy drivers, install application, email, wait for activation, if I could just download and run the pirated version in minutes?

If a software is easy to purchase, with immediate download, and my registration gives me extras like updates and access to their online media, then I prefer to buy rather than pirate. But if that software is bloated with anti-piracy code that always runs, I prefer to crack or boycott it.

Saying the distribution of software is not my decision is like saying a leased automobile is not mine to let a friend borrow. You can put patterns of bits and bytes on anything you like, engrave it in rock, or ship it on a USB drive. It still isn't the same as a physical object.

This concept is especially difficult for audio people to grasp, because they have their entire industry built on quicksand, but it's true. The Beat Thang Virtual USB drive looks stylish. That is a physical object. If I give that to someone, I no longer have it. Software is different.

They were upset because on KVR I posted, "If I don't return the Beat Thang, I may crack it." Combine that with a download of the software and it appears like someone just competed with you by side-stepping your complex operation and giving people what they want, the tool.

But what I meant was, if I want to run the Virtual someday, and they haven't figured out a better copy protection scheme, I will download the crack and crack my copy that I paid for. I don't care if that's technically violation of their license. It affects no one but me, and causes no harm.

That would've been the last resort though. First route was to email my concern and reasoning, with a request for remedy. Second is what I'm doing now, stirring some public backlash so they have a little pressure to rethink things so it doesn't hurt sales. Last is either crack or return.

The license is very clear. It's not just the beats, but the samples too.

Getting a response from the "President" doesn't override the license terms. What it says is what it says. If you agree, you agreed. When you have a hit record and they're poor they can unleash the lawyer hounds on you to try and shake you down for some cash. If they don't plan to, then why include it in the terms?

The USB drive should've definitely been a portable version you can run anywhere. They could've even customized every single copy that ships with the personal info embedded in the files so it'd need no activation system, and if someone leaked it they'd know who to sue. That's the point with my offering the download. What they gave me was nothing more than a generic trial I should be able to get anywhere.

I should have a licensed copy. They didn't ship one. They took the money, and shipped a trial. To get the licensed copy you need to fingerprint your PC and interlock it with their database. It never said this anywhere on their site. We expect to receive our software, not some trial. That's why it is something everyone should distribute. If you don't want us to, give us something personal that's ours.

They spent more time on the marketing hype than the product. The box looks cool, the drive looks cool, the fliers are glossy and full of slogans. But the software itself and everything around it like their shopping and licensing system is still beta. If I'm a beta tester, you pay me. Not me pay you. The software will need to be updated anyways. Do I get a new USB drive for every update?

No, I'll download it off their site. So let me choose to download it when I buy it, skip the shipment, and get my serial key immediately in my website account, which unlocks a simple unobtrusive mechanism. I'm helping you with this information. It will help with your business. We want this to succeed so we have more tools available. We want this to stir more competition and have Akai sweating.

Your software will be pirated. Get over it and worry more about your paying customers than the non-paying. That's how you get so many buys the pirated copies don't matter anymore. The music industry is funny how they think the way to succeed in business is sue and treat consumers of their product as potential thieves. You've got it backwards, and if you don't realize you'll go bankrupt.
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OK, look, I just talked with Aja, the President of The Beat Kangz and he said they are going to offer a trial of the Beat Thang Virtual on their site and it should be up with a week or two! So really this is all a mute point! Honestly, the Kangz are trying really really hard to make this product something that all Producers will want to use, so them doing anything contrary to that would be silly, and I know for a fact they will not do it!

Bottom line is these guy's have families and have to make money in what they do or they can't do it, just like you and me! They are the ones that invested the money to do this project and thus they are the ones who should make the decisions about it, not you! What is your investment? Don't say your $149 you spent on the Virtual either, that is refundable if you didn't like what you got? How much time and money and sacrifice do you think these guy's (The Beat Kangz) gave for this project? For you to threaten that in anyway is bullsh!t!

Let them get through the project then see where its at? Do you have idea the kind of pressure this kind of project gives someone? I have not done anything on this scale, but I have been involved in Multi Million Dollar Projects and its scary! Now, that was with someone else's money too! Imagine that being your own, everything you have invested in something?

Have A Little Respect and Give them a chance to succeed, or at least give them a chance (a real chance) to go over issues with you and also be aware that because of the nature of this thing, there are Lawyers and Accountants involved to protect everyone's investment, undoubtably certain decisions will take some time and involve a large number of people!


PEACE
 
Dude...your posts are freaking HUGE lol. But I will say..yes, I'd rather see a simple serial system in place, BUT that won't stop me from using it if they use a different system.

And on the license...when i first read it, I assumed it was in reference to the premade beats...when I asked, that's pretty much what I was told. I'm not worried about them going after any one of their customers for using their machines. I'm not here to debate that, I got my answer, I'm satisfied with it, plus I have it in writing.

And again, even on the beats, they aren't asking for royalties, or anything, just attribution. I've seen sample libraries and sample cds do the same thing and require some sort of attribution for using their put together samples. I've also see ones that don't allow you to use the actual "full mix examples" and only the sounds within.

Do I agree with all of it? No...but to compare it to leasing a vehicle...nah, I wo n't take it that far, not a good analogy in my book.
Cuz guess what? Even if you lease the car, by law, you still need to pay for insurance just to use it....anti piracy is pretty much the same, insurance. You don't buy insurance coverage for everyone that operates your vehicle and you could get in trouble if an unlicensed person gets into trouble while in your car....but again, that's going too deep lol.

The main issue seems to be the anti piracy system of choice, love it or hate it, it's there and despite what many say...most are not too against it to use it.

Many hate dongles, but still use them...so yeah, that's not as huge as you make it seem to most general users.

They also told me the same thing about working on a trial so that will be up as well.

I think we all agree that having the thang be mobile from the usb drive would have been a great move.
 
There's no need to quote a post that long when it's already there for people to read. Leads to a lot of unnecessary scrolling.

Don't really understand your concern. I'm not threatening anything, just sharing information.

I invested $1,011 and my time to help them in their efforts. My goal is to have open source software that runs on the Beat Thang hardware, transforming it into anything we can imagine.

A package was sent to me with Beat Thang Virtual. I share information, so I published whatever I discovered.

One thing, was that the program requires obtrusive anti-piracy kernel malware, and manual activation over email with the sending of a system fingerprint. This is information some people want to know, so I shared it.

I emailed them, and requested what I knew would be denied. It was.

Now I continue to discuss and share information, waiting to see what happens. It matters not if there will be a trial on their site in weeks. It would still use the same anti-piracy system.

So what's this about respect and giving them a chance? They have lots of chances. They can change their system at any time. But if no one says anything negative about it, they never will, because they'll assume everything is fine.

We're all basically beta testers. I'm providing a valuable service by bothering to report my experience. I'd usually get paid for this. They don't have to listen to my opinion. It's not the end of the world if I don't install Beat Thang Virtual.

But that could cost them some business. There must be others out there who share my same concerns, will read this, and choose not to buy. By showing them the problem before the product is finalized, I'm helping them avoid potential losses.

Would you prefer if I ignore the problems I discover to "give them a chance to succeed"? That doesn't help them succeed, it's like ignoring clanking sounds when driving your brand new Lamborghini because you really wanted to love the car.

If it's broke, fix it. No drama, no boo-hoo tears. It's a simple mechanical situation.

This whole copyright-stranglehold issue is a warning sign relevant to my longterm goals. Think about it. I want to have an OS you can download, install on your Beat Thang hardware, and use however you want. That will be a lot of work.

But look how they view this thang. They think it's all under their control, and freak out over minor variances in their tightly controlled plan. That's like Apple theology right there. Do you know what Apple does to white-box Mac shops? Sues them.

Even if they say they're down with a 3rd party OS, their actions speak louder than words. After building one they might throw tantrums to get it shut down. That kills a lot of potential for this thang. I need to know right now how they feel.

So far they've locked the software, fingerprinted it to your PC, made the samples into a proprietary format no other app can read, made a license saying you can't copy them and if you use them at all you have to give them credit, and asked me to remove a download of their trial software.

That is crazy behavior. Who knows what they'll do when we use the hardware for something they don't like. If it's anything like their past performance you can expect a drive-by at 3 in the morning from some thugs sporting AKs and Beat Kangz hoodies.
 
Having it mobile really shouldn't be a big deal, especially when you consider the fact that the whole program including the library is less than a gig.

I really want them to succeed. I admire them actually, once I got passed all the craziness of their promotion videos and what not. Actually, I was thinkin' about trynna communicate with them this week and pick up the virtual.
 
You only have 1 computer? How many times do you think you can install it?
 
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That is crazy behavior. Who knows what they'll do when we use the hardware for something they don't like. If it's anything like their past performance you can expect a drive-by at 3 in the morning from some thugs sporting AKs and Beat Kangz hoodies.
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LMFAO!!!!

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I'd probably install on my laptop and my new desktop I'm getting ready to build...you think there is an issue with the number of times you can install it? I would imagine we'd be able to do it at least 2 or 3 times like most modern software companies allow.

NI by default allows 2, ableton by default allows 2 or 3...

Is there something about Pace that prohibits that? I've used pace before, but like I said, never had any issues so maybe there is something I don't know about it
 
Jamon -

Are you serious? I mean if you don't like it move on? This product has been out for how long? Not only that, but I like saintjoe, follow the Beat Thang very closely and I have not heard anything about the Anti Piracy problems until you posted! That says something to me. Also, again, my point is its not your decision to make PERIOD!

Your last point, about the hardware, I won't even address! Bottom line they have to protect themselves against piracy, its the nature of the beast! Also, Apple is pretty successful and I see a whole lot more people who love what they do then don't!

Saying something to better a product is great, if your being productive and actually helping and not causing issue's like you are posting THEIR software on your website! I mean come on! No company lets you do that! Also, there are other companies using the PACE Software as well, so its not like they are the only ones? Do you really think they (The Beat Kangz) are out to get you or their customer base? Seriously? They want to be successful not marginalize themselves like you seem to have done by the way you handled this? If they make a decision for their company that you do not like, then move on, that is your right, but it is not your right to make decisions for a company with which you have no affiliation!

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I don't know saintjoe, that's the problem, this kind of basic info is nowhere to be found. You'd think we should know this stuff before we buy.

I'm guessing they fingerprinted it to the hard drive. If you try and install it on another drive you'll have to email for another key.

But what they do from there I have no idea. They might give you unlimited, or they might reply with, "Sorry, you used your install".



"I mean come on! No company lets you do that!"

Go to download.com. Free distribution of trial software is the standard. It is extremely weird for someone to not want their software to be mirrored. This isn't a pirated version we're talking about, but locked trialware.

Anyways, it was only up for a brief moment. I was nice and complied with their request, even if it's wacky. I don't think anyone got it, so there's no problem even if we pretend it would be, which it wouldn't.

"Also, there are other companies using the PACE Software as well, so its not like they are the only ones?"

I'm not alone in this. Anyone with technical knowledge of how PACE stuff works with any appreciation of freedom or efficiency knows why it's a terrible design, and that we must try to prevent this kind of scheme from becoming standard.

Already we mostly failed. Consumers don't get it, and activation has become increasingly restrictive. Adobe made some stupid changes in CS4 that made my upgrade experience so bad I may not buy CS5. It doesn't mean we should just give up though.

Just minutes ago I checked the new posts on Gearslutz and saw one asking for a list of all plugins that don't use PACE. This is the 3rd post in the last couple days. Do a search and see all the people who are aware and actively avoid products going that route.

Anti-piracy does not belong at the kernel level. It should not use any system resources when the application is running. It should not conflict with anything else in the system or cause any problems at all. It should not cause significant hassle for the paying customer.

If everyone adopted your attitude of, "If you don't like it, move on!" then nothing would improve.
 
yeah I imagine another "unlock" is required. Even on native instruments and ableton ( the two I'm most familiar with using multiple copies) you have to "unlock" it on the new computer.

With albeton, they will send you an email saying you just used one of your unlocks and you have x amount left.

native instruments either unlocks or it doesn't based on the number.

Both are instantly done over the internet, which I like.

I don't imagine BK will be able to keep up with manually issuing the activation file and will move to a more convenient system in the future.

I will admit, I am one who doesn't know the technical side of PACE, I'm new to software, was a hardware dude forever. So even though I've used it and have had no issues, I'm not aware technically what resources or whatever it uses.
 
That's perceptive saintjoe. If the software becomes popular, they'll have to automate it. That's one reason why I think it's important to voice our feelings about the process, because it seems certain they'll have to reassess and change something soon anyways. If they read our feedback beforehand it might influence their choice.

The kernel is like the core of your OS. It has the power to directly access hardware and software, bypassing usual security restrictions. Then there is a user-level, where normal programs are run on top of the lower level systems. If a higher layer program causes a problem, it can't cause too much damage, it crashes independently.

But if something goes wrong at the kernel level, you get things like blue-screens and complete system instability. The PACE kernel drivers have been known to cause conflicts in the past. But anti-piracy doesn't belong with that much power anyways. It should be a small part of the program, not a separate program tied to the PC.

It's also a theological debate. It took a long war in the computing world for us to get where we are, with software that can be independently run, and even shared. But it's a constant battle, and the pull is towards software staying on the legal owner's machines, so they can control exactly how and when you use it.

No one owns Beat Thang Virtual. We only pay for the legal license that says we can run the code they wrote, under the exact terms they specify, or else they'll sue us. If you want to change something in the software, you can't. They protect the source code and only give you the binaries. You own nothing, you pay for legal protection.

Some of us think that's a pretty lousy arrangement. But we put up with it anyways because it's how things work. It used to be, you buy software, you get a CD with a serial key, you type it in, you're using your tool. Now everything fingerprints your system, trying to lock it down, and it causes considerable inconvenience.

I have lots of computers, and change them often. Every time I want to install stuff, I have to go through the process of changing the licensed system to something else. It is needless friction all because of the theologies of the software companies. It wastes time when you have lots of software. It limits the freedom to move around.

Then there's unforeseen bugs, like when my Adobe software recently wouldn't accept my old serial. So you have to call, and wait to speak to someone, who doesn't solve the problem. If you have an urgent task requiring the tool you paid for you don't have time for all this. Then you use some other tool, even though you paid for that one.

Weeks later you resolve the situation, but are afraid to upgrade your PC components because who knows what software is tied to what and will require re-activation. It's not a good road to go down. We should try and steer away towards something more efficient and friendly.
 
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thanks...yeah, I understand what the kernal is and everything...I'm an IT guy by day. I just didn't know about the technological make up of the PACE system...as I've never really had a reason to look into it.

I'm sure they will automate it, they will have to! Something simple like abletons challenge response via internet that syncs with your registered account or whatever is cool...it knows how many activations you have...and if you need more you just have to let them know why.

Theirs comes with 3 by default.

Or even like fxpansion, with Guru..I believe it was just a simple serial number needed if I remember right.
 
paceap.com/whatisesd.html
paceap.com/technical.html
kvraudio.com/forum/printview.php?t=103088

It seems PACE provides a way to interface it with a website, so that's probably what they'll do eventually.

Or they could live up to their marketing slogans about being independent and real and do something different.
 
Jamon,

First, I am not saying that you shouldn't voice your concerns or opinions! I am just saying that this is the system they chose to use based on the knowledge that was available and probably the advice given to them by Lawyers and Computer Guru's and Intellectual Property Experts.

By the way, Reavis "Rev" Mitchell is a very knowledgeable dude when it comes to software and computers. This is part of his Bio:

Reavis (Rev) Mitchell
BKE Vice President
Until 2003 BKE Vice President Reavis (Rev) Mitchell was leading a double life as both a U.S. government computer scientist and an award-winning Hip Hop artist and producer. During his tenure with the U.S. Geological Survey, Rev was one of the scientists and programmers who helped adapt Global Positioning Systems (GPS) from a purely military application to civilian uses. Rev’s data is used in Geographical Information Systems worldwide, helping us find our way and fostering a new industry.

Rev earned his B.S. in Computer Science (1994) and Masters in public Administration (1997) from Tennessee State University in Nashville.

I point this out just to show you that these guy's are not just some knuckleheads who decides one night when they were blazed to start some software company! They know what they are doing and I am sure they have their reasons for it? Aja, President of BKE, has been in the industry a very long time as well and he has worked for Sam Ash and Samson and knows his way around as well! Not too mention the other experts they have at their disposal like Bob Ezrin and others!

Again, you may not agree with the direction they have taken here, and you are certainly welcome to that opinion, but its not OK for you to distribute their material on your website no matter what you believe! You saying that "No one owns the Beat Thang Virtual" is completely out of bounds and shows that you have little knowledge on Software Law or Intellectual Property Law and Rights!

My biggest point of contention with you is how you are handling this situation! I get your upset, and that's OK, but if you simmer down a notch and be reasonable, you will get further! Ever heard the expression: "You attract more bee's with honey than vinegar?" I am not saying you would get your way or make them change their minds, but doing it the way you have has just angered the powers that be and completely marginalized you! I seriously doubt they (The Beat Kangz) will ever be willing to work with you again because of the way you handled this? I am NOT speaking for the Kangz, just giving my opinion.

Just because I am wondering and looking more into this whole PACE thing, can you tell me what software you do use and like? Also, are you a Beat Maker, Engineer or what exactly is it that you do? Again, I am just curious?

PEACE
 
Defense engineers know what they're doing too, it doesn't make it any less foolish when an executive decides to blow up foreign babies because it is logical according to his flawed doctrine.

I'm not upset at all. It's software, that I don't even care about. The hardware is what interests me. I don't want to make beats on my PC.

Have you looked at my website? Do you see me distributing any of their material? I already took down the Beat Kangz gay porn I found.

As for marginalizing myself, that sounds painful. But I heard Aja loves me even more and has been preparing to ask me out for some time now.

The best anti-piracy system I've found so far is probably what is used by the database software PostgreSQL. That works well.

A better question would be, what don't I do? I haven't done any professional ballet yet, but I do own pink tights.

You sure do like exclamation points. Hmm I guess I was wrong, marginalizing yourself isn't painful, it's FUN!
 
Ok, this is getting pointless. Your arguments make little sense or have nothing to do with the topic?

My point with marginalizing yourself, was to point out that by your actions, you most likely did more to harm your cause than to forward it. All I was saying is that by handling it in a better way would have at least made you look like you were trying to help or provide feedback, rather than someone who just wants to b!tch and complain!

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"Ok, this is getting pointless. Your arguments make little sense or have nothing to do with the topic?"

DING DING DING We have a winner!

For the record, how I handled it was to email this:

Beat Thang Virtual uses InterLok anti-piracy?

That's not cool bro. I don't want to install kernel drivers on my dedicated workstation. There's been lots of reports of InterLok causing all sorts of nasty issues.

Your marketing materials say, "Power to the people". This move is the opposite of that. It's not power, it's chains. I know you've gotta try and protect your assets, but customers aren't criminals.

It won't stop piracy either. I promise Beat Thang Virtual will be cracked by someone. All it does is inconvenience your loyal paying customers. That's not a nice message to send.

I'm sure you already paid PACE, but I needed to at least ask:
Please remove InterLok from your product and use a more friendly approach?

It also causes you guys more work. You have to respond to the emails with the serials. It would be better to just use basic protection and print the serial with their invoice.
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The response was:

Not gonna happen. It's an easy auth process and hasn't caused any problems so far....
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That's all. I really don't care. I'd like to install it so I can post a review on my site, and if I get the hardware it might be nice to use it sometimes for easier sample management or something. But it doesn't cross my mind that the Beat Thang Virtual is sitting in the box never been used.

My expression online is more to help other potential buyers who actually want the software by warning them, to help provide feedback to the Kangz, and teach people about the principles behind why I wouldn't want to install it. The only drama is in your exclamation points, not my writings.
 
Your pretty excited by my exclamation points huh? I guess it worked then!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And how you eventually handled it was by putting an unauthorized download of their software on your website.


ONE
 
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