is this any good?>>citronic pd45 or synq

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I know every table out here is better than the technics if you don't spin in clubs of course, cause technics is the standard, but that doesn't mean it is better than the rest. I want a table for my own parties and for home purposes. I want torque and faster motors than the old technics.

What do you think of these 2?

citronic pd45 or synq.

thnx
 
Every table out there is better than the technics if I don't play at clubs? Wow, I must have missed that memo. Can somebody fill me in?
 
HI

Why do I need old technology of the technics? I want better motor and better start times and more pitch and digital out. That is all. I don't need a technics only cause they play it in clubs. I want inovative stuff....beter turntables.
 
Seriously, I hope this is a joke. That's like saying that a 2004 toyota echo is "better" than a 1958 corvette. Most dj's don't need any of the crap "innovations" that are on new turntables. Who needs a bpm counter that doesn't really work, or a screen that shows you how much you've adjusted your pitch (which also doesn't work as perfectly as it should). What will you be using the digital outs for? I'm personally not even sure why somebody would need them at this point, where the technology is where it is, but that's about the only "innovation" that I can see having some use. 1200s aren't used in clubs because "everybody else uses them", they're used in clubs because they're the best tried and tested turntables out there. In terms of reliability nothing CAN compete with the 1200s because the new turntables haven't even existed as long as the 1200s. I don't know what kind of truck you are trying to pull out of the ditch that you need that much torque, but these are turntables, not steering wheels, there is no need to be that rough with them. Quicker start/stop sure as hell doesn't make a turntable "better" either. Hell, I'll build you a turntable with the quickest start/stop in the business, but it will sound like ass and the wow/flutter will be all over the place. It will be made out of lego as well. I researched for about 4 months before I bought my tables. I tried mk2s, str8-150s, ttx1, tt-500, pdx2000 and in the end, I still chose the mk2s. They're the standard FOR A REASON, and that reason is not "well, all of the clubs have them".

In short: innovation does not neccessarily = better. Period.
 
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Amen Brotha...

If i want the most torque, i can probably make a 14.4V drill into a turntable, when geared right that will probably give enough torque to break your arm. Throw in some tim allen crap here!

Here, check this out if you want to know more about the best turntable in the world:

http://www.kabusa.com/frameset.htm?ttables.htm
 
Would it be possible for you to make a comment without bashing something or someone?

There are tons of info on tables around here. Do a search.
 
to tell you how rock solid technics are.
my 2 mk2s are OLD, on of them 90-92, the other one possibly pre-1990, could even be twenty yrs. old, no clue (no serial number, bought at pawn shop).
and those things work just as well as any new technics i've played on.
they dont feel exactly the same, but they hold the pitch just as well and sound just the same.
as far as your question on those decks, dont know.
Josh
 
My uncle has a 1979 Technics 1200 and it works flawlessly, and has a steadier motor, less wow/flutter and a better SNR than my cousin's PDX2000.

That said, it doesn't matter whether you get the Citronic or the Synq because they are exactly the same turntable. They're all made at the same factory by license of the brand company (I believe the very same thing applies to Stanton turntables, KAM, Gemini and a few others).
 
innovative...

such a loaded word...

do i want my decks to be innovative or do i want to be innovative in my mixes..

do i need an innovative turntable to be an innovative dj?

personally i have a pair of the old vestax pdx-d3.. the 1st genersation models.. with the cool little joystick(it lets you adjust the pitch either +/- 1%, 3%, or 6% if you move it up or down or +/-50% if you move it right of left) the adjustable pitch fader (-/+ 3%, 8%, or 12%) which is all fine and dandy..

do i use all these... nope.. hardly ever.. i'm always thinking about selling them and picking up some use technics.. not to say i don't love being able to do some crazy **** now and then but for the most part i don't use the extra's and i do bemoan the fact that my decks have way to much flutter..

but in the end it comes down to me not my tools.. although the music i throw down has a lot to do with what i choose to do..

personally id rather go with a rock solid but basic deck, a mixer with full kill EQ's and a good FX loop, and a good fx box..

an innovative deck is all fine and dandy but why really on that to be innovative eh?
 
If only technics had more pitch and maybe a BPM counter. IT is just ahandy thing to have. And the thing is that I want to buy 2 turntables,,,,,,not to play vynil!. I want them to connect to a final scratch/serrato/mixvibes kind of thing. That is why I don't care about brand loyalty and stuff. I think I prefer more pitch than 8%. And I have to look at the price as well. a tirntable for 380 dollars is a good buy. So I know technics 1200 have been around for years, but I heard TTX and stanton have good results in long during tests. The citronic is 380. That is why I am asking it. And it is hard to get reviews or videos of this table.
 
a bpm counter on a turntable is not going to work with final scratch etc... the "records" used with these systems supplies a time code only. even if you do get an indicated bpm it will have nothing to do with the actual track being played. - jeff h
 
well Im being honest with you. I had a stanton str8-100 in the past and i did use it w/ final scratch. at the same time i also owned a sl-1200m3d and to be honest with you, the stanton deck's wow/flutter was noticably higher in final scratch. after you calibrated both decks, you'll see the 1200 stay locked on 0.0%, while on the str8-100 you would see the pitch change from 0.0% to 0.2 than 0.7, up to 1.1% And that's with quartz lock on. I thought it was the stylus, so i replaced the stili, than i thought it was cables, replaced them, than the contacts, than i balanced the table, finally i realized this "1200 killa" was just a pile of crap.

You don't need bpm counters, or 4kg/cm motor, the 1200 works, and i know people that have owned a pair for 20years and the only thing they changed was the cables.
 
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btw, for me - owning technics is not brand loyalty. i bought my original techs in 1995. when they break or their performance falters, i'll look at what else is out there. my decks have performed the same as the first day out of the box every time i have used them. i simply can't see spending seveal hundred dollars to replace something that is spot on every time i use it. bpm counters and +/- 50% pitch may impress some and if specs and gadgets make a deck for you, go for it. i've used a lot of different brands of decks and what works for me is something that is overly solid and has longevity. bottom line - go try out things for yourself. you sold yourself on the CDX, why not do the same for your turntables? - jeff h
 
i think that f.s/serato have built in bpm counters (not sure though).
i'm getting serato in the mail shortly, the bpm counter thing wasnt a sell for me so i didnt even look at that spec, and if it has one i probably wont even use it.
the extra pitch control is nice, but that's why the make m5gs ;).
just play around on some tables dude, that's the only kind of advice any of us can give you, b/c everytime anyone suggests something to you you seem to blow up and get mad about it, when you asked for suggestions.
true there are A LOT of technics lovers on this board (i own a pr. and love them myself) and quite a few djs wont play on anything less, i know quite a few people who have it written in their contracts, or they wont play (that to me is stupid, but to each their own).
if you want more pitch, go with a pdx 2000, they're relatively cheap now and pretty good tables, i've played on a pdx2k and had no problems with it at all, not a 1200 but not sh!t either.
it's all about what you want and what you can afford.
just dont criticize people for making suggestions, esp. when you ask for advice,
Josh
 
you already have a bpm counter. two, in fact: one on each side of your head. now it's just a matter of learning to use them.
 
LOL its nice to see the technics heads being so defensive as usual.

The Stanton STR8-150 is the best deck out there - period

The only complaint i have heard about this deck is bad wow and flutter. Yet i have beatmatched the same record PERFECTLY and it was 7 minutes long. To clarify, no adjustments to the pitch, nothing, just two identical records playing simultaneously on different STR8-150'S for their entirity and remaining FLAWLESSLY in sync the whole time. I made a post about this a few months ago.

The PD-45 is a fantastic deck. It is almost identical to the STR8-150 except it has a cheaper plastic exterior.

I have played on Numark, Gemini, Vestax and every Technics and the Stanton does win hands down. The Citronic comes in second due to its fantastic value, but if value was not an issue then Technics MK5's would be second.

In my opinion so many technics heads are making slanderous comments at other decks due to the fact that they realise that Technics age old market dominance is beginning to end. In economic terms it is creative destruction. Something better has come along, and there is nothing technics can do about it.
 
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