Is high tech killing the art of Spinning?

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what exactly are people afraid of anyway?


that maybe digital DJ products will finally kill off vinyl?

that the new gear is inherently easier to use and therefore will lower the standards for quality DJ'ing?

that DJ's who use vinyl won't be able to get gigs anymore?

...just wondering...
 
RT, Let's hope the "records are timeless" thing holds up. I say this because there's always someone somewhere that gets attached to something and will say there's no other feeling. Well...I agree to an extent when this relates to records...but that was the whole point of my argument. CDs will have the same type of sympathizers when it's technology is being threatened by a new technology.


God! Anyway...I'm in a bad mood and this topic is pissing me off. LOL If you like vinyl, cool. If you like cd, cool. If you like both, cool. If you like nothing...fine with me. LOL :D
 
werd. I wasn't taking sides.
If someone gave me CD Decks I'd be using them as well.

nothing but love. and house music.
 
catnap said:
what exactly are people afraid of anyway?


that maybe digital DJ products will finally kill off vinyl?

that the new gear is inherently easier to use and therefore will lower the standards for quality DJ'ing?

that DJ's who use vinyl won't be able to get gigs anymore?

...just wondering...

Im not afraid of anything. I just thinks that the essentials of the art of DJing lie in specific skills.

I agree with Mattu. Music defidently comes first, and if they can make an amazing song using CDs, and BPM counters, thats really fine and ill dance all the same. However, the argument is the art of spinning. What is cooler to you? BPM counters or perfected isntinctive power. If someone makes a good song on CDs, and someone makes a good song with vinyl, whos got more skill?

But yeah, as far as music goes, of course it doesnt matter, and I doubt anyone is scared.

As far as CD sympathizers, I doubt it. These people can blow off vinyl, they can certainly blow off CDs. I personally am not attached to either one, but I would like to see vinyl stick around for specific reasons. Nothing wrong with that.
 
Here's the real issue under it all:

People are too concerned with skills in my opinion. So you are more skilled with vinyl....so what! If the guy with the cd decks rocks the party harder than the guy that's trying to "keep it real" I'm for the cd deck guy. End of story.

Rock the party and quit worrying what the next guy does to get the party rocking.
 
i sincerely beleive that no computer program or beat matching gadget will ever be able to mix two tracks together better than a skilled human DJ with several years of experience under their belt.

all the fancy new gear makes some of the basic tasks easier, but as you go up the scale in DJ ability, the gadgets and programs just can't keep up.

-s
 
ok let me make things a little clear with my winamp comment. Let me warn you that I start with one idea and end up with something different, as I wrote this by adding on factors and slowly changing the final opinion throughout the post.

To quote Dzokayi's post (which is what my reply was directed towards):

In the end, I stand by this viewpoint: If you can rock the house, you can rock the house.

Now, if people dance to a 60 minute MP3 and I press the play button and go grab a drink, did I rock the house? No. That is what I meant to address by asking, "why are you there?"

See spinning in my opinion is giving, from one human to another. I'm pretty new school I admit, and my ideal mix is this: make people go CRAZY! I made them go crazy. Not some mp3 or CDJs doing the work. I give them my voice in musical form.

A DJ is two things, skills and aesthetics. To say that you can have a banging party with an 100% accurate beatmatching CDJ (lets say it exists for this example) then why bother having the DJ at all? The "message" should be as pure as possible, which is why I truly respect live PAs a lot. I rather talk to you with my own voice rather than a vocal synthesizer like what Steven Hawking uses. If I know the DJ is doing nothing but picking tracks then I would tell him to get the hell off stage. Better yet I rather stay home load up a pre-mixed CD and have the same effect musically.

There was an event in New England where only bedroom DJs were the ones allowed to spin. One kid tossed in a mix CD and faked the whole thing and got BOOED. I think him cheating a reputation is one thing but it is also insincere to the crowd. It's not his voice, or his message.

If you think rocking the house can fall under the "winamp jockey" category you're not rocking the house, the winamp is. They hear the winamp's voice (although they might never know).

What does this have to do with CDJs or digital?

Well there is talk about auto beatmatching and stuff. In my opinion, the less you do behind the decks, the less of a musician you are. I don't consider DJs much of musicians but that is for another discussion. What I mean is that if you load up a cd and press a few buttons then crossfade over, what the hell are you doing? Ok, you're picking the right tracks but its close to premixing a CD then playing it. Real musicians remix on the spot (Richie Hawtin, anyone?) or offer something that is there "voice" or "message." So even if you spend 0.1 seconds getting the tracks beatmatched, if you put effort into something else (messing with a groove box, for example) then you are offering the dancers something from you.

Maybe I take this music thing too seriously, I keep telling myself that. Well let me finish with this. High tech is not killing the art of spinning. Davybean from the Florida Underground Resistance wrote, "our scene, as our music, is based on an ever changing dynamic." So maybe "spinning" will change, because it really means "music voice" or "musical message." Change into what? Who knows. There are a lot of creative minds out there. I'm hoping I am one of them. I'm working REALLY hard to get my skills up to where I want them. If technology allows, I will use the auto beatmatch function, and use my skills to talk with the people with something else other than the crossfader and EQs.

Be creative, use anything, GO WILD! Go out there and rock the crowd with your musical voice, tell them your message.

Stay away from playing mix CDs in the club as far as possible.
 
Dzokayi said:
catnap, you're in for a rude awakening.


and what rude awakening is that? if you know a program or machine that can select better tracks, out-perform, out-mix & out-scratch me in a 60 min. battle, then i'll be rudely awakened. otherwise, i think you're either not understanding my post or just trying to annoy me.

so show me this "rude awakening" already...

-s
 
Still in development... public demonstration by HP, if I recall correctly. I'll see if I can dig up the link for you...

The basic premise is the audience members wear biometric feedback devices measuring activitiy, heartrate, temperature, etc. and the computer adjusts the style of music according to the readings it gets. Now on its initial outing, it's in no way threatening PVD or even most local club jocks - but there is serious effort being invested in this direction.

I've seen so many people eat their words regarding computers beating human chess players, automobiles surpassing the horse & buggy, etc. I have no doubt that eventually we will have a mixing computer that will pass a 'DJ' Turing test.

<me sits back and waits patiently>
 
I for one will refuse to have any type of device put on me so some computer can try and control my energy on the dancefloor.
 
You know it wouldn't seem so cold and sterile if you made the computer into a robot. Wouldn't that be sick?!! I robot scratching and using the faders and crossfader. haha! Freaking awesome! :D
 
Wear a cheap robot costume made with cardboard and duct tape. Believe me it gets the crowd going NUTS!

On a different note: I experienced "digital technology" succumb to the HEAT of my own bedroom. Thats right my laptop froze and my Traktor DJ fubared. Reinstalling does not work, and basically if my career was based on my laptop (Rane SSL) then I would probably have to reinstall everything on my laptop. Sometimes we talk about how great technology is but forget that they also have weaknesses that we assume were a thing of the past.
 
Dzokayi said:
I've seen so many people eat their words regarding computers beating human chess players, automobiles surpassing the horse & buggy, etc.

you've seen people eat their words concerning automobiles surpassing horse drawn buggies? how old are you?

a robot/computer may be able to kick your ass at chess, but as far as having a groove - the best a robot can do...is 'the robot'. and i can even do the robot better than deep blue can. i've beaten him in several b-boy competitions. its a scientific fact.

wait - are you will smith? i swear, our robots cannot harm human beings - they are programmed that way!

- also, i'm dumping my HP stock if they are investing in robot-dj research - that is for dammn sure!
 
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Come on!....admit it....that would be dope if there was a robot turntablist. LOL :D
 
Dzokayi said:

<me sits back and waits patiently>


you're going to have to wait patiently for quite a while. technology like you're describing must not only work reliably every time, but cost so little that it would be cheaper to implement it than to pay a human DJ for his/her time. and that level of development is far, far away.

for example, i'm sure that Final Scratch would have theoretically been possible over 10 years ago, but the price of the computer needed to run it reliably would have been astronomical.

anyways, i think it might be worth your time to meditate on the fact that the role of technology in creative pursuits has always been to aid us in the expression of ourselves, not doing it for us. why do you think people still draw with charcoal & paper when they have Paintshop Pro, or play a real piano when it can be synthesized exactly?

-s
 
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