i read muslims are not allowed to play or hear music. hiphop is especially haram....

[DaNOC]

so the answer is "no". did "God" create the stars and the moon? the answer is also "no".

but thanks for the "science class". I enjoyed that. (yup just being sarcastic, while you are being arrogant).

you have (as expected) explained nothing (not even how stars and moon were created). I don't know why you then jump from manifestation of INFORMATION (which is all we see, but not all there is) to carbon-based lifeforms.
yes, life ON EARTH (and the one we recently discovered (yes, EXTRATERRESTIAL!) in upper layers of the atmosphere, as well as the remains of EXTRATERRESTIAL (sic!) bacteria on Mars) is carbon-based. but that doesn't mean, that life everywhere in the Universe is based on that. it doesn't mean that life requires WATER in order to be present. likely, very likely, but not 100% true.




no, it's not simple science. not at all. the Universe is non-linear. in the quantum world the effect can be observed before the cause. unfortunately (as with all religious writings of that time and before), Qu'ran is clear on "science" from the point of understanding the people who wrote it had at that time. whether you accept it or not; the human for example, isn't created out of a cloat of blood, then grows the inner organs, then the skeleton, then flesh, then the skin and THEN starts to live. this is clearly non-sense, but at that time, the human body was seen as some magical device created by God and not a well adjusted machine.
cells have "differential potential" and can turn into skin, bones or parts of your eye.

btw, the creation myth contained in the Qu'ran was adopted from Vedic writings. still, two wrongs don't make one right.

btw, there are many CONTRADICTING explanations regarding the source of the human (read: from which material Allah created the human).

there are other things, like the re-appearance of the geocentric model in the Qu'ran.



100s of millions of years of evolution of life and literally billions of year of "evolution" of space didn't happen "by accident". this is why we discover rules of nature. this is why certain atoms have a certain mass, quarks have certain spins and specific causes have specific effects.

when your parents made you, 100 MILLION sperm cells "fought" for one egg. is that "luck"? if you see YOUR life as the purpose of YOUR life (sic!), then yes, YOU were lucky. could've been one of the other 99.999.999 millions of the girls or boys.

did it happen by accident? of course not. it's not like your mother walked to the grocery store and then "whoops!", you were there and she said "guess I'm pregnant".

"luck" and "accidentally" are human principles.



I hear this time and time again. from Hindus, Christians, Muslims and Jews. none of them can prove anything, yet they all claim, that there is secret knowledge, which existed before you and I existed.

asynchronous appearance of knowledge is nothing new: while certain tribes in Africa, to this day, live a life we would call "primitive" with regards to OUR knowledge of nature, we use the internet to communicate.
unfortunately (but not surprisingly), none of that superior (sic!) knowledge can be read about or researched. no accounts of it (or even books) were found. none of their superior technology exists.

this is where these religious/mystical schools are not different from........."religious" healers, magicians and the other followers of "hocus pocus". they claim they hold the Sang Raal (Holy Grail - which doesn't translate to "Holy Blood" but to "True Gospels"), but neither can you hear, see or touch it.

it's a FICTIONAL concept like the Hyperboreans, Agharta or the accounts from the Akasha Chronic. you will hear millions talk about it, swear it exists, but nobody will be able to show you.
that's no different than the NOI waiting for the mothership, which nobody heard about, seen or will ever see.
still, it's better to have an incomplete or simply WRONG concept/theory, than to bath in the lake of ignorance/arrogance by claiming "Thor/Osiris/God/Sophia" did it.

life HERE ON EARTH is too beautiful to waste it on worshiping DEATH.
and all of the major religions are DEATH CULTS. with the exception of Buddhism, which is not a religion at all, but "the science of the mind" (this is not made up, the Lama told me).

live your life and find your purpose, don't pride yourself in knowing what death is good for (paradise, hell, etc...).

Well I am going to keep it simplistic! If man didn't create the Sun,Moon and stars a higher intelligence did! and it's that simple. Islam is not a religion, if you knew Islam you would know that, BUT YOU DON'T. It's called "DIN AL-ISLAM" "THE WAY OF LIFE SUBMISSION TO THE WILL OF ALLAH/CREATOR"! See if you knew anything about Islam, you would know it deals not only with the mind it deals with the soul, energy, mind etc. ALIMU AL SABAN NUFUS IS one of the deepest subjects in Islam. So I guess you would know what that is since you think Buddism is the only faith that deals with the mind.

Again since man is the highest intelligence on this earth, and man didn't create The Earth, Moon, Sun and stars then again something of a Higher intelligence did and we call that Allah. So I did teach something, you just want to passay around it.

 

[DaNOC]

do u know this answer...or do u believe u know?....

and if u know...PROVE IT...

I can definitely tell you YOU DIDN'T CREATE THE SUN, MOON AND STARS! Proof? Man has limitations the only creation he can do is PROCREATE and in order to do that you need a woman, without the woman you can't procreate. so there for without standing on a perpendicular square you can't CREATE NOTHING ALONE! If you wanna get fly and think you can create I will ask you, CREATE A FLY!

Now If you wanna debate professionally Muslim against 5% I can end it very quickly!

 

[California]

historical dates are not set in stone...it's kinda a thing where it's who u choose to believe...look at all of the evidence and decide for yourself...

never said books shoulsd be written by black people...i actually gave u a couple of examples of white authors.....like godfrey higgins, wallace budge, and gerald massey....

(now let me start with my assumptions)u are a spooky person...so god is an all powerful ghost to u...even though his son got killed by mortals right?....ohhhhhh....that's right...god allowed it to happen right?.....

with the god thing u are playing semantics and not really trying to understand....so i'll leave that one alone.....

like i told the other guy...PROVE YOUR GHOST GOD...dont just say he exists and quote a scripture...PROVE IT BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT THAT YOUR GHOST GOD EXISTS.....otherwise...u can save it for the sheep....im a wolf....dont waste your time....

im not here to debate my beliefs, but rather the contradictions in yours . (black people are gods, but they are in an ass condition) . i will prove my belief, after you prove this
(this is about your belief in a space mothership that was built in japan by black scientists thousands of years ago)

"Because of its circular nature it can stop and travel in all directions at speeds of thousands of miles per hour. He said there are 1,500 small wheels in this Mother Wheel, which is a half mile by a half mile (800 m by 800 m). This Mother Wheel is like a small human-built planet. Each one of these small planes carry three bombs.

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad said these planes were used to set up mountains on the earth. The Qur'an says it like this: We have raised mountains on the earth lest it convulse with you. How do you raise a mountain, and what is the purpose of a mountain? Have you ever tried to balance a tire? You use weights to keep the tire balanced. That's how the earth is balanced, with mountain ranges. The Honorable Elijah Muhammad said that we have a type of bomb that, when it strikes the earth a drill on it is timed to go into the earth and explode at the height that you wish the mountain to be. If you wish to take the mountain up a mile (1.6 km), you time the drill to go a mile (1.6 km) in and then explode. The bombs these planes have are timed to go one mile (1.6 km) down and bring up a mountain one mile (1.6 km) high, but it will destroy everything within a 50-square-mile (130 km²) radius. The white man writes in his above top secret memos of the UFOs. He sees them around his military installations like they are spying.

That Mother Wheel is a dreadful-looking thing. White folks are making movies now to make these planes look like fiction, but it is based on something real. The Honorable Elijah Muhammad said that Mother Plane is so powerful that with sound reverberating in the atmosphere, just with a sound, she can crumble buildings.
"

also, prove this claim "The NOI teaches that the Earth and Moon were once the same, and that the Earth is over 76 trillion years old."





"historical dates are not set in stone...it's kinda a thing where it's who u choose to believe"


"The members of the Five Percenters view themselves (men of their Nation) as their own god (both individually and collectively as the Original Man).[4] Five Percenters sometimes refer to themselves as scientists, implying their search for knowledge and proof, and not beliefs in theories."

 

[las7154]

^^^^^^^^^^^^

PROVE ALLAH CREATED THE UNIVERSE....

i never claimed to create the universe....

like i said...my concept of god(allah, jehova, WHATEVER u wanna call it) is different from yours...i acknowledged that a few pages back...for some reason...people are so spooky that they wanna hold me to thier spooky standards....

im not saying u wrong...all im saying is...PROVE IT...u are the one that came in the thread making declarations about what is true and what is false(i have a good memory)...all im saying is...dont just SAY that something is true....PROVE IT.....

 

[las7154]

the mothrship is an NOI belief...im not in the NOI...the mothership is a symbolic teaching from my perspective.....

 

[las7154]

Well I am going to keep it simplistic! If man didn't create the Sun,Moon and stars a higher intelligence did! and it's that simple. it.

i can stop u right here...PROVE IT...dont just say it...PROVE IT......

LMAO....lol....i love messing with BELIEVERS.....knowing is a different ballgame.....

claiming to have all of the answers is a heavy burden...ESPECIALLY WHEN U DONT......

 

[California]

i can stop u right here...PROVE IT...dont just say it...PROVE IT......

LMAO....lol....i love messing with BELIEVERS.....knowing is a different ballgame.....

claiming to have all of the answers is a heavy burden...ESPECIALLY WHEN U DONT......

prove that the world is 76 trillion years old and that the book of the dead is 10 thousand (since these are claims made by your leaders, inventors of your religion and by a book you cited)

 

[las7154]

prove that the world is 76 trillion years old and that the book of the dead is 10 thousand (since these are claims made by your leaders, inventors of your religion and by a book you cited)

i dont have any leaders or a religion...stop trying to push your consciousness on me.....the date of the book of the dead is irrelevant to me.....as is the date of the earth....

u are the 2nd person that tried to come at me with NOI stuff....so...just for the record......

the 5% AND THE NOI ARE DIFFERENT ENTITIES.....

if u wanna know what i hold to be true...just ask....dont assume.....

 

[DaNOC]

i can stop u right here...PROVE IT...dont just say it...PROVE IT......

LMAO....lol....i love messing with BELIEVERS.....knowing is a different ballgame.....

claiming to have all of the answers is a heavy burden...ESPECIALLY WHEN U DONT......

You are playing dialectic gymnastics! I already proved man didn't create the Sun,Moon and Stars so we all know it wasn't Lions, Tigers nor Bears ohhhhhh my!

So it had to be a higher intelligence other than MAN! I have just proved it. You have to show me since your claim is you are God/Allah that you created, the Sun,Moon and stars. Allah said he created it, so I have to go by what Allah says until a MAN CAN SHOW AND PROVE as you 5%er's say. I am from NYC bruh I know all yall tricks and like I said if you wanna debate I can end it quickly! 5%er's are nothing more than a splinter group from the NOI, who was started by the Moorish Science Temple. Clarence 13x better known as Puddin was under the guidence of Elijah Muhammad. Your very lessons are off shoots of the NOI and I tell you, you're universal flag is a mirror image of the NOI mixed with MST teachings and I can prove it!

 

[JeanLukPigheart]

Well I am going to keep it simplistic! If man didn't create the Sun,Moon and stars a higher intelligence did! and it's that simple.

excuse me? where is the logic behind that statement?

so basically, because "a higher intelligence" created the oceans, the continents are being moved by that "intelligence" too?

do you realize how SIMPLE the "design" for a star or a galaxy is?

"Intelligence" is the ability of an individual to adopt and use his surroundings for his own benefit (called SURVIVAL).

by that definition, a galaxy is more intelligent than you, because it not only uses all of the stars in it to "survive", but can also "eat" other galaxies. and you and I are living on a small piece of rock, which is a satellite of ONE OF THE 100,000,000,000 STARS IN THIS GALAXY.

so if a "higher intelligence" created the stars and the galaxies, it uses us to survive. that's nonsense: both from the viewpoint of a believer as much as from the point of view of an Atheist.

size doesn't equate to "complexity", as the brain of a cat is much more advanced than the brain of a walrus and a brain of human is much more advanced than the brain of said cat.

mission accomplished: you didn't prove anything, which is basically the mission of religion. make claims which can't be proved and putting out "scientific theories", which show no data.

Islam is not a religion, if you knew Islam you would know that, BUT YOU DON'T. It's called "DIN AL-ISLAM" "THE WAY OF LIFE SUBMISSION TO THE WILL OF ALLAH/CREATOR"! See if you knew anything about Islam, you would know it deals not only with the mind it deals with the soul, energy, mind etc. ALIMU AL SABAN NUFUS IS one of the deepest subjects in Islam. So I guess you would know what that is since you think Buddism is the only faith that deals with the mind.

all religions deal with the mind. especially with methods to induce psychotic periods (sometimes even for as long as a lifetime) and trying to break down self-defense mechanisms.

as a recent example, we could look at the Japanese Kamikaze or the recent Jihadists.

Islam (as the other two Abrahamic religions do) focuses on the submission to socio-economic concepts which benefit the rulers of those who are "hypnotized".

Again since man is the highest intelligence on this earth, and man didn't create The Earth, Moon, Sun and stars then again something of a Higher intelligence did and we call that Allah. So I did teach something, you just want to passay around it.

what you are doing is protecting yourself from being taught ANYTHING. that's EXACTLY the whole point of religion.
so you are proud that (supposedly, we know this is not true) the Qu'ran hasn't be altered in the last 1400 years.
if I was a brain surgeon and prided myself with using tools and knowledge of the brain from Leonardo's time, everyone would call me insane.

btw, I find it amusing (unfortunately in a cynical way), that you'd point out the inconsistencies of the Bible, as if the Qu'ran didn't contain as many of them.

I've seen Muslims doing that often, which begs the question, if they ever read that book. I can say, that Christians react in a similar way, because.........most of them never read the Bible.

P.S.: I didn't say that Buddhism is a faith that deals with the mind. it is precisely as I said: Buddhism is the SCIENCE of the mind.
not that it makes it less prone to abuse, just a detail I wanted to add.

 

[biggrome]

P.S.: I didn't say that Buddhism is a faith that deals with the mind. it is precisely as I said: Buddhism is the SCIENCE of the mind.
not that it makes it less prone to abuse, just a detail I wanted to add.

I have found that Buddhism relates more to real world everyday living...

... there aren't many tales from what I've heard, just things you try for yourself.

... not that afterlife stuff, that's sumptin else... but they said to not believe that if you don't want to...

I wouldn't pick any of 'em but Buddhism relates to 2009 and life in general.

If you don't believe me... go to iTunes and get THE ART OF HAPPINESS audiobook and listen to it. No real religious nothing in it... it's just a book like anything else... it'll make you more interested in Buddhism... (but I would never take the leap and claim it)

It'll be a well spent $9 (sell a beat on Soundclick for it)...

... you should be able to relate right away. Then if somebody can comeback and say it's B.S. I'll personally take a 6 month ban...

It's a book by a physciatrist that wanted to understand the Dalai Lama so he asked him a bunch of questions and was surprised by some of the answer he got. Simple answers... regular old people can understand. When you hear it... certain people in your life will come to mind but mostly you'll take a look at yourself..

 

[DaNOC]

btw, I find it amusing (unfortunately in a cynical way), that you'd point out the inconsistencies of the Bible, as if the Qu'ran didn't contain as many of them.

.

Well lets stick to 5%er lessons, Ok, since you wanna debate!

Question 1. Can You Show And Prove That The Devil Only Owned 6,000,000
Million Square Miles Of Useful Land On The Planet Earth At The Date Of The
Writing Of The Lessons?
It States In The Student Enrollment That The Devil Only Used 6,000,000 Square
Miles Of Useful Land However, This Is Not Right And Exact Because America
Alone Consist Of 3,536,294 Sq. Miles And Europe Being 3,930,000 Sq. Miles And
Canada Being 3,854,085 Which Is A Total Of 11,320,379 Sq. Miles Not To
Mention All Of The Islands That The Queen Of England And The British States Own In The Caribbean, So That Cannot Be Correct. How Were These Totals
Calculated? Of Course They Will Say That It Is A Symbolic Number Meaning 6 Is
The Devil And The Lessons Were Taken On Face Value.


So now explain your equation poor righteous teacher. I don't go for the dazzling tongue routine, lets get down to business. people can learn from this. It's not an attack and I am going get into it.

 

[las7154]

You are playing dialectic gymnastics! I already proved man didn't create the Sun,Moon and Stars so we all know it wasn't Lions, Tigers nor Bears ohhhhhh my!

So it had to be a higher intelligence other than MAN! I have just proved it. You have to show me since your claim is you are God/Allah that you created, the Sun,Moon and stars. Allah said he created it, so I have to go by what Allah says until a MAN CAN SHOW AND PROVE as you 5%er's say. I am from NYC bruh I know all yall tricks and like I said if you wanna debate I can end it quickly! 5%er's are nothing more than a splinter group from the NOI, who was started by the Moorish Science Temple. Clarence 13x better known as Puddin was under the guidence of Elijah Muhammad. Your very lessons are off shoots of the NOI and I tell you, you're universal flag is a mirror image of the NOI mixed with MST teachings and I can prove it!

who said man created the sun moon and stars?....lol.....

u have not proven that they were created by allah....which is your belief that YOU claim to be true....i dont believe in a "creator"....that is your teaching...and u are responsible for explaining since u claim to have "proven" it to be true....

i never denied my roots....the NOI and the MST are good for black people....im proud of the fact that my roots can be traced to those organizations...u seem to think that being accepted by sunnis is the end all be all...i dont care if spooked out arabs accept me or not....

let me give u insight to the 5%...u are a literal type person...5% teaching is 95% symbolic....for instance...if u really wanna know...the sun, moon, and stars means man, woman, and child....which is knowledge wisdom and understanding...

now...since u know this(as u claim)...why are u asking the questions u are asking>?....


hmmm....maybe someone doesnt know as much as they think they do......

 

[las7154]

Well lets stick to 5%er lessons, Ok, since you wanna debate!

Question 1. Can You Show And Prove That The Devil Only Owned 6,000,000
Million Square Miles Of Useful Land On The Planet Earth At The Date Of The
Writing Of The Lessons?
It States In The Student Enrollment That The Devil Only Used 6,000,000 Square
Miles Of Useful Land However, This Is Not Right And Exact Because America
Alone Consist Of 3,536,294 Sq. Miles And Europe Being 3,930,000 Sq. Miles And
Canada Being 3,854,085 Which Is A Total Of 11,320,379 Sq. Miles Not To
Mention All Of The Islands That The Queen Of England And The British States Own In The Caribbean, So That Cannot Be Correct. How Were These Totals
Calculated? Of Course They Will Say That It Is A Symbolic Number Meaning 6 Is
The Devil And The Lessons Were Taken On Face Value.


So now explain your equation poor righteous teacher. I don't go for the dazzling tongue routine, lets get down to business. people can learn from this. It's not an attack and I am going get into it.

LMAO....so typical of the 85%...so literal....lol.....

6 million is again symbolic...6 is the number of the material world and the number of the devil....i could go into it a lot deeper...but it would be pointless because that's not what u were after...u were looking to talk about the literal translation of the lesson....

if u really wanna understand us...research the egyptian mystery system and esoteric and exoteric teachings and get back to me...u are focusing on the exoteric when 5% teaching is esoteric....


o yeah...here's some food for thought...if something was always here in one form or another is there a need for a creation?(1st law of thermodynamics...energy cant be created or destroyed...it can only change form)........hmmmmmmmmmm

 

[California]

LMAO....so typical of the 85%...so literal....lol.....

6 million is again symbolic...6 is the number of the material world and the number of the devil....i could go into it a lot deeper...but it would be pointless because that's not what u were after...u were looking to talk about the literal translation of the lesson....

if u really wanna understand us...research the egyptian mystery system and esoteric and exoteric teachings and get back to me...u are focusing on the exoteric when 5% teaching is esoteric....


o yeah...here's some food for thought...if something was always here in one form or another is there a need for a creation?(1st law of thermodynamics...energy cant be created or destroyed...it can only change form)........hmmmmmmmmmm

prove that 6 is the number of the devil and prove that there is a devil and if by devil you mean "the evil in all of us" then prove the correlation between the number 6 adn the evil inclination . you claim to not "believe anything" but only seek facts, but you are talking about numbers meaning things instead of just a sum . and "material" world ? so there is another world besides the physical ? prove it

 

[S_Preme]

I have found that Buddhism relates more to real world everyday living...

... there aren't many tales from what I've heard, just things you try for yourself.

... not that afterlife stuff, that's sumptin else... but they said to not believe that if you don't want to...

I wouldn't pick any of 'em but Buddhism relates to 2009 and life in general.

If you don't believe me... go to iTunes and get THE ART OF HAPPINESS audiobook and listen to it. No real religious nothing in it... it's just a book like anything else... it'll make you more interested in Buddhism... (but I would never take the leap and claim it)

It'll be a well spent $9 (sell a beat on Soundclick for it)...

... you should be able to relate right away. Then if somebody can comeback and say it's B.S. I'll personally take a 6 month ban...

It's a book by a physciatrist that wanted to understand the Dalai Lama so he asked him a bunch of questions and was surprised by some of the answer he got. Simple answers... regular old people can understand. When you hear it... certain people in your life will come to mind but mostly you'll take a look at yourself..

That sounds good, I might cop it.

 

[biggrome]

That sounds good, I might cop it.

... and if it doesn't seem like something that could benefit everybody walking on the Earth today...

I'll wear "I'm S Preme's Bytch" in my sig for a year.

 

[las7154]

prove that 6 is the number of the devil and prove that there is a devil and if by devil you mean "the evil in all of us" then prove the correlation between the number 6 adn the evil inclination . you claim to not "believe anything" but only seek facts, but you are talking about numbers meaning things instead of just a sum . and "material" world ? so there is another world besides the physical ? prove it

it's symbolism...which means its used to convey an idea....

it's the devil's number because that's the way father allah taught...no more....no less...6 is used to convey a lot of ideas....it's simple as that....

there is a reason i keep saying stop being so literal....lol......im telling u it's symbolism and u talking about prove it.....LMBAO....

that's like saying...prove green really means go....lol...it only mean go cause the person that designed the light said it means go.....lol.....

 

[Tha Wiizard]

I have found that Buddhism relates more to real world everyday living...

... there aren't many tales from what I've heard, just things you try for yourself.

... not that afterlife stuff, that's sumptin else... but they said to not believe that if you don't want to...

I wouldn't pick any of 'em but Buddhism relates to 2009 and life in general.

If you don't believe me... go to iTunes and get THE ART OF HAPPINESS audiobook and listen to it. No real religious nothing in it... it's just a book like anything else... it'll make you more interested in Buddhism... (but I would never take the leap and claim it)

It'll be a well spent $9 (sell a beat on Soundclick for it)...

... you should be able to relate right away. Then if somebody can comeback and say it's B.S. I'll personally take a 6 month ban...

It's a book by a physciatrist that wanted to understand the Dalai Lama so he asked him a bunch of questions and was surprised by some of the answer he got. Simple answers... regular old people can understand. When you hear it... certain people in your life will come to mind but mostly you'll take a look at yourself..

Who the hell gonna believe in a religion about a big, fat ass statue
nigga?



Fuk Outta Here

 

[S_Preme]

... and if it doesn't seem like something that could benefit everybody walking on the Earth today...

I'll wear "I'm S Preme's Bytch" in my sig for a year.

Haha word em up.