i read muslims are not allowed to play or hear music. hiphop is especially haram....

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California said:
but in what way are you god ? you must have a real wack definition of "god" . there are men that are more intelligent than you (and me) , so what kind o fa god are you ? whats the point of being a god, if it doesnt mean anything nor does it translate into anything , ie "im a god, oh and by the way, a god can have a low iq, and die in a car accident just like non-gods" . the word god doesnt even exist in the Bible. the word that is translated as god is "elohim" which means "judges" . men are called elohim in the Bible so your 5 percenter belief isnt anything radical in that sense , but in teh bible, only men that had recieved teh word of God were called gods , but in your belief a random dude that has an iq of 89 that mops floors at walmart can be a god so it makes your word "god" be useless since by "god" you obviously dont mean "all knowing" or even "very much knowing" .so whats the point again ? thats like if i tell you "im going to give you a million dollars ! oh and by the way, in my belief and language, a million dollars means 1 cent"
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we teach that god is our nature whether u see it or not...all men are to be respected as gods no matter what they think....

for me god isnt a higher power...it's an inner power...this is the original understanding of the original man...the concept of a god separate from man is a concept introduced by greeks, arabs, and other semetics and europeans...

our religious knowledge was not separated from all other knowledge so the purpose was to live and proper and to move civilization forward...the 5% help bring back our original consciousness.....which is to see the divine in self and not outside of self...

all of the things u named are just expressions of the self.....and this is another thought to ponder...just as god is within so is the devil...
 
las7154 said:
we teach that god is our nature whether u see it or not...all men are to be respected as gods no matter what they think....

for me god isnt a higher power...it's an inner power...this is the original understanding of the original man...the concept of a god separate from man is a concept introduced by greeks, arabs, and other semetics and europeans...

our religious knowledge was not separated from all other knowledge so the purpose was to live and proper and to move civilization forward...the 5% help bring back our original consciousness.....which is to see the divine in self and not outside of self...

all of the things u named are just expressions of the self.....and this is another thought to ponder...just as god is within so is the devil...
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yeah, but god doesnt mean anything worth while in your definition. god doesnt mean "all knowing" , " immortal" etc, so whats the point. you just lowered the bar of what "god" means so you can get in . if you are a god, then the word god is meaningless
 
I hope you all caught the "Are you spiritual" thread...

A lot of different "beliefs" in this one. Good stuff for not calling names and stuff though.

One of the more interesting threads floating right now.

That man in Kansas and the spaceship is bizarre.
 
California said:
yeah, but god doesnt mean anything worth while in your definition. god doesnt mean "all knowing" , " immortal" etc, so whats the point. you just lowered the bar of what "god" means so you can get in . if you are a god, then the word god is meaningless
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study your history....western people have "elevated" the bar of what god is to the point where god isnt real to most people and it's why religion is failing society....



a good start is a book by john jackson called "man, god, and ciovilization"....

do some research and we can have a discusion on what im talking about...right now u wanna have the talk...but u have not been exposed to the information that i have ben exposed to....so we cant treally talk on an equal plane.....

for instance...god is all knowing...but god isnt limited to one man....

dont confuse politics with knowledge...there are some very knowledgeable people on this planet that u dont know exists....

what do u consider the word of god?....the bible?.....how bout this...google "psalms 82:6" and get back to me...as a matter of fact...just read psalms 82....
 
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las7154 said:
study your history....western people have "elevated" the bar of what god is to the point where god isnt real to most people and it's why religion is failing society....



a good start is a book by john jackson called "man, god, and ciovilization"....

do some research and we can have a discusion on what im talking about...right now u wanna have the talk...but u have not been exposed to the information that i have ben exposed to....so we cant treally talk on an equal plane.....

for instance...god is all knowing...but god isnt limited to one man....

dont confuse politics with knowledge...there are some very knowledgeable people on this planet that u dont know exists....

what do u consider the word of god?....the bible?.....how bout this...google "psalms 82:6" and get back to me...as a matter of fact...just read psalms 82....
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you just proved that you dont read any of my posts. i already quoted psalms 82:2 , so no shock value there. i already explained that you dont believe you are a god in the sense of what god means, but in your own definition, but your version of what god means is weak and thus renders the word meaningless
 
no...that's your understanding...as i stated earlier....u focused on the scripture but u ignored the book title i gave u...that speaks volumes that u focused on the scripture and ignore the scolarship...

and that's why i said we cant speak on an equal playing field because i have information that u are ignorant of....

are u familiar with the egyptian mystery system and it's relation to judaism, christianity, and islam?(bolded for emphasis)

the question right now is(between me and u).....what is the original meaning of god?(allah, jehovah,...etc etc...whatever u wanna call it)
 
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MUSLIMS arent allowed to go clubbing right? Alcohol everywhere, chicks everywhere... dancing... and wearing next to nothing.

Is it true that muslim dudes dance together, not grinding of course but you know what I mean 2 stepping and stuff. Because Muslim females are not allowed to dance, only around their husbands im assuming.
 
When I look at this topic.... my logic (and the way it works) would make me ask that if music shouldn't be listened to and paintings shouldn't be looked at... why would anyone be given any artistic talent?

We all know what degrading music sounds like and we don't let our kids listen to it so it's not to far off of this belief but this is pretty extreme... if that's what they believe. Music has helped people through some tough times. Mary J Blige built and entire career off of it. It has propelled athletes to victory (most all players use some form of music to get amped or to relax).

Are people with musical talent from those religions "demons"?

Wild stuff...
 
las7154 said:
no...that's your understanding...as i stated earlier....u focused on the scripture but u ignored the book title i gave u...that speaks volumes that u focused on the scripture and ignore the scolarship...

and that's why i said we cant speak on an equal playing field because i have information that u are ignorant of....

are u familiar with the egyptian mystery system and it's relation to judaism, christianity, and islam?(bolded for emphasis)

the question right now is(between me and u).....what is the original meaning of god?(allah, jehovah,...etc etc...whatever u wanna call it)
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the word "god" doesnt exist in the bible, so how do you ask me "what does god mean in the bible ?" . Allah is simply the arabic word for "god" and is a loose transliteration of "elohim" .egyptians didnt believe in gods . they had a concept of "god" similar to yours, that is, a worthless one . they had no concept of "god" by modern definitions , their "gods" were like stronger humans , that were mortal (those gods could die), that got drunk and made bad choices , were flawed , and eventually , not even the eqyptians believed in them anymore . Also, they gods looked like combination of things they had seen (their gods were creations even according to their deceptions, since their deceptions included created beings) . They didnt have a god concept if by god , we mean , a being comparable to the Most High of the Bible (all knowing, immortal , invisible) . It was forbidden to make a depiction of Him and he was unrivaled and was all knowing and immortal. Also, it was against torah to practice things egyptians did. also, i cant find any article on "john jackson" . a google search brings up other people and a search on his book brings up an amazon listing . of course he was black . i forgot that 5 percenters dont acknowledge anything written by white people, unless the white people are supporters of their black supremacy propagnada, in which case the white authors are elevated and cited as evidence all the time . are you a nuwaunubian ? your religion (just like "black hebrews" or "'nawubians") are products of the demoralization that black people went through . so to compensate, all these religions about black people being gods were subsequently and organically created . if there WAS a human race of "gods" wouldnt it logically be "successful and prosperous people?" . wouldnt a god-man race atleast be the most powerful, and most intelligent race ? logically speaking that is . in your "black people are gods" theory, how do apologists explain the condition of the black community ?
 
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biggrome said:
When I look at this topic.... my logic (and the way it works) would make me ask that if music shouldn't be listened to and paintings shouldn't be looked at... why would anyone be given any artistic talent?

We all know what degrading music sounds like and we don't let our kids listen to it so it's not to far off of this belief but this is pretty extreme... if that's what they believe. Music has helped people through some tough times. Mary J Blige built and entire career off of it. It has propelled athletes to victory (most all players use some form of music to get amped or to relax).

Are people with musical talent from those religions "demons"?

Wild stuff...
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I think the reason why some say music is wrong is the same reason why alcohol is wrong.

many alcoholics start off as social drinkers.drink a cup or 2 at a party or get together and then is spirals and evenually your going clubbing and getting hammered.Starting fights, treating females wrong, peeing in public. I know it doesnt happen to every1 but it happens to a few people.

same thing with cigarettes and drugs. you start off with puff or one toke. then 1 cigerette next thing you know 5 years down the line the person who once hated cigarettes is now smoking a pack a day. It doesnt happen to every1 but it happens to a few people.


so with music, you can start listening to elvis,whitney or who ever but eventually it will lead to music that is degrading. doesnt happen with every1 but it happens to some people.


some people are born with the gift to do many things(good things and bad things) but that doesnt make it right for use the talented. WHo knows I might be really talented at making bombs or growing weed or at banging a lot of chicks but that doesnt mean I gotta go out there and do it.

God gave Obama the power to control enough NUKES to end life as we know it but that doesnt mean he should use it.
 
oh boy...did i ever say what the meaning of god is in the bible?....lol....i see the kind of person u are....u will ignore every relevant point that i make and focus on the things that are not important....

now...im not an arab or a jew...so what they saty means nothing to me...if that's what u believe...they ride it out...but the concept of god as propsed by jews, muslims, and christians is bs to me....it has no foundation in reality...if u believe different...all i say is...PROVE IT....simple as that....

for instance..."elohim" is a hebrew word...not an arabic one...(dont u love it when people try to stunt on thier ignorance?)

5% acknowledge the truth...the book i told u about earlier(man, god, and civilization) was wruitten by a white dude if im not mistaken...in addition to him...there's godfrey higgins and gerald massey that will cosign the truth of what i am saying....

funny how your search of john jackson didnt give u anything....mine gave this:

http://www.bing.com/search?q=john+jackson+man+god+and+civilization&src=IE-SearchBox

as far as why blacks are on the low end...they embraced the bull**** of foreigners....when black africans held thier own idaes and stayed tru to them they ran the world...they abandoned them and embraced foreign ideas and now look at them.....

u want me to embrace the knowledge of my slavemasters so u can keep my people as slaves....i see this...and avoid it at all costs...i will never believe the tenets of a white made religion...or any religion for that matter...which is why i have knowledge of self...and not a religion....
 
las7154oh boy...did i ever say what the meaning of god is in the bible?....lol....i see the kind of person u are....u will ignore every relevant point that i make and focus on the things that are not important....

no you didnt "Say what the meaning of god is in the bible", however, you did ask me what i thought it was in which case i pointed out that the word "god" doesnt exist in the Bible

now...im not an arab or a jew...so what they saty means nothing to me...if that's what u believe...they ride it out...but the concept of god as propsed by jews, muslims, and christians is bs to me....it has no foundation in reality...if u believe different...all i say is...PROVE IT....simple as that....

so anything written by a person of a different ethnicity means nothing to you ? in that case, you must find out your origin (find out what african tribe and language your ancestors spoke) and only do research using material created by people of that region and language

for instance..."elohim" is a hebrew word...not an arabic one...(dont u love it when people try to stunt on thier ignorance?)

OH SHNAP ! YOU GOT ME ! oh wait, you DIDNT get me at all since i stated that "Allah" was a "TRANSLITERATION" of "Elohim" .you must not know what "transliteration" by your "elohim is hebrew and not arabic" comment

5% acknowledge the truth...the book i told u about earlier(man, god, and civilization) was wruitten by a white dude if im not mistaken...in addition to him...there's godfrey higgins and gerald massey that will cosign the truth of what i am saying....

funny how your search of john jackson didnt give u anything....mine gave this:

http://www.bing.com/search?q=john+jackson+man+god+and+civilization&src=IE-SearchBox

http://www.google.com/search?q=john+jackson&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

as far as why blacks are on the low end...they embraced the bull**** of foreigners....when black africans held thier own idaes and stayed tru to them they ran the world...they abandoned them and embraced foreign ideas and now look at them.....

well if they were really gods, why did they fall for the non-gods BS ? what kind of "gods" can be brought down and ruled over by "non-gods" ? it sounds like being a "non-god" is the thing to be in that case .Also, why did the "foreigner bull****" become detrimental to blacks while it made non-blacks exceed ? also, i highly doubt that the problem with the black community is that they are too learned in western education . i dont think that the problem is that they are going to western universities too much

u want me to embrace the knowledge of my slavemasters so u can keep my people as slaves....i see this...and avoid it at all costs...i will never believe the tenets of a white made religion...or any religion for that matter...which is why i have knowledge of self...and not a religion....

you have knowledge of self? that sounds cool, it almost sounded as though it meant something . and good luck on your mission to gain knowledge, but with the handicap of "all books i read must be written by other black people that believe what i do (ie , no western education)

i saw a clip of this dr john jackson (DR? uh oh, it sounds as though hes had a western education, unless hes only a doctor in a 4th world country which meets your requirement) and in this clip he stated that the book of the dead is 10 thousand years old . this is interesting in so many ways. 1. written language has only existed since 3,100 bc and was invented in sumer (modern day iran) . egyptian hyroglyphs (as a language as in to write literature) came in 2,700 bc .
 
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jay_jizle said:
Question for you DaNOC.

Are any of your Qu'rans translated into english? And if so, do you notice obvious differences in the meanings and messages due to the language differences. Like how different versions of the Bible have different translations of some words?

Me thinks english is a horrible language to translate ancient texts into.
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^5 I agree with you 100 %. You are ever so correct. Yes the Qur'an has the Arabic on one side and English on the other side. The transliterations differ depending on the education level and intrepretation of the one who has done the transliteration. It is very hard to Translate any Semitic language into English. English from what I heard is a bastard language it's made up of Hebrew, Arabic, French, Latin etc languages, it doesn't have it's own root. My concern being now I can read the Arabic of the Qur'an that it should be the same because that's the original tongue Muhammad pbuh recieved the message in. So it's right and exact from 1,400 years ago and scientist and scholars are amazed a book could last that long and not be tampered with. The Bible has been tampered with so bad as I have proven just a lil how bad it's been tampered with it's pathetic. It can't be Holy because Holy means 100% not tampered with. Here's another example, get any bible you want and check this out.

Contradictions:
Chronicles 9:25
And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem.

1 Kings 4:26
And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.

Is it, 4,000 Stalls or 40,000 Stalls? Same text.
Either we talking about two different Solomon’s or there is a miscalculation of numbers. From what I read God is not the author of confusion, so this is the work error of a man. How then could this be the works of God?

ANOTHER CONTRADICTION:
2 Samuel 10:18
And the Syrians fled before Israel; and David slew [the men of] seven hundred chariots of the Syrians, and forty thousand horsemen, and smote Shobach the captain of their host, who died there.

1 Chronicles 19:18
But the Syrians fled before Israel; and David slew of the Syrians seven thousand [men which fought in] chariots, and forty thousand footmen, and killed Shophach the captain of the host.

Is it, 700 Chariots and 40,000 horsemen, or is it 7,000 chariots and 40,000 FOOTMEN? Horsemen and Footmen in battle or just a daily walk and totally different from each other. Same Text also.

So I agree with you about that.

Peace
 
California said:
las7154oh boy...did i ever say what the meaning of god is in the bible?....lol....i see the kind of person u are....u will ignore every relevant point that i make and focus on the things that are not important....

no you didnt "Say what the meaning of god is in the bible", however, you did ask me what i thought it was in which case i pointed out that the word "god" doesnt exist in the Bible

now...im not an arab or a jew...so what they saty means nothing to me...if that's what u believe...they ride it out...but the concept of god as propsed by jews, muslims, and christians is bs to me....it has no foundation in reality...if u believe different...all i say is...PROVE IT....simple as that....

so anything written by a person of a different ethnicity means nothing to you ? in that case, you must find out your origin (find out what african tribe and language your ancestors spoke) and only do research using material created by people of that region and language

for instance..."elohim" is a hebrew word...not an arabic one...(dont u love it when people try to stunt on thier ignorance?)

OH SHNAP ! YOU GOT ME ! oh wait, you DIDNT get me at all since i stated that "Allah" was a "TRANSLITERATION" of "Elohim" .you must not know what "transliteration" by your "elohim is hebrew and not arabic" comment

5% acknowledge the truth...the book i told u about earlier(man, god, and civilization) was wruitten by a white dude if im not mistaken...in addition to him...there's godfrey higgins and gerald massey that will cosign the truth of what i am saying....

funny how your search of john jackson didnt give u anything....mine gave this:

http://www.bing.com/search?q=john+jackson+man+god+and+civilization&src=IE-SearchBox

http://www.google.com/search?q=john+jackson&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

as far as why blacks are on the low end...they embraced the bull**** of foreigners....when black africans held thier own idaes and stayed tru to them they ran the world...they abandoned them and embraced foreign ideas and now look at them.....

well if they were really gods, why did they fall for the non-gods BS ? what kind of "gods" can be brought down and ruled over by "non-gods" ? it sounds like being a "non-god" is the thing to be in that case .Also, why did the "foreigner bull****" become detrimental to blacks while it made non-blacks exceed ? also, i highly doubt that the problem with the black community is that they are too learned in western education . i dont think that the problem is that they are going to western universities too much

u want me to embrace the knowledge of my slavemasters so u can keep my people as slaves....i see this...and avoid it at all costs...i will never believe the tenets of a white made religion...or any religion for that matter...which is why i have knowledge of self...and not a religion....

you have knowledge of self? that sounds cool, it almost sounded as though it meant something . and good luck on your mission to gain knowledge, but with the handicap of "all books i read must be written by other black people that believe what i do (ie , no western education)

i saw a clip of this dr john jackson (DR? uh oh, it sounds as though hes had a western education, unless hes only a doctor in a 4th world country which meets your requirement) and in this clip he stated that the book of the dead is 10 thousand years old . this is interesting in so many ways. 1. written language has only existed since 3,100 bc and was invented in sumer (modern day iran) . egyptian hyroglyphs (as a language as in to write literature) came in 2,700 bc .
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historical dates are not set in stone...it's kinda a thing where it's who u choose to believe...look at all of the evidence and decide for yourself...

never said books shoulsd be written by black people...i actually gave u a couple of examples of white authors.....like godfrey higgins, wallace budge, and gerald massey....

(now let me start with my assumptions)u are a spooky person...so god is an all powerful ghost to u...even though his son got killed by mortals right?....ohhhhhh....that's right...god allowed it to happen right?.....

with the god thing u are playing semantics and not really trying to understand....so i'll leave that one alone.....

like i told the other guy...PROVE YOUR GHOST GOD...dont just say he exists and quote a scripture...PROVE IT BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT THAT YOUR GHOST GOD EXISTS.....otherwise...u can save it for the sheep....im a wolf....dont waste your time....
 
DaNOC said:
I asked a question, did man create the sun, moon and stars? Do you have an answer for that?
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i dont even know if the sun, moon, and stars are created...u act as if that is a forgone conclusion....there are theories of the universe that dont require a "creation" or a "big bang"....so my answer is...i dont know...and neither do u....if u know...PROVE IT...not by a scripture that only u believe in...PROVE IT IN UNIVERSAL TERMS.....
 
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