DaNOC
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LOL dang lol No Problem
i read muslims are not allowed to play or hear music. hiphop is especially haram....
LOL dang lol No Problem
Vdub
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yea it makes me real nervous cause i don't want to come off the wrong way and make her feel disrespected and hurt her feelings.. They always say you never come between a person and their religion.
But how do you explain something like that to someone, how do you tell/get/have them talk to an orthodox Muslim without making it seem like you're downing their way of life. I try to keep in mind that she is a female and she deeply believes in something. And ever since she started doing this she feels her life has been getting better, she eats better, she exercise more and she just feels better about life period.
She's so deep into it, now she's thinking about moving to Kansas to be around him and his people.
I worry about her so much and it's hard to talk to her about it cause I'm afraid of hurting her. I'm all that she has, and even at my age i see that whatever she is in, it's not good.
They made things make since to her and helped her through some things. But i see it as manipulation.
I don't want to fully down what's going on, being that i don't know anything about the Muslims or any of that stuff, but i do want to at least try and steer her in the right direction.
DaNOC
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Most def, we need to be able to discuss matters without fighting we are brothers!
If a person ask a question on Islam, Muslims shouldn't get defensive as though Islam can't be questioned. And if one doesn't know go and find out so as a Muslim you will now know and that person also. Each one teach one.
MadTiger3000
Natural Philospher
DaNOC
Not interested in the Allah. I have a Koran (Qu'aran), as well as things from several religions. But Islam, and any variant, is not the Ultimate Truth. We disagree, so I am done.
I presented what I presented. Those who seek the truth unencumbered by ex-con con artists, egotistical philanderers, and cult leaders can seek to explore it.
Again, may you reach union with the Divine. Don't do a holy war on me before I reach it on this side of life!
Not interested in the Allah. I have a Koran (Qu'aran), as well as things from several religions. But Islam, and any variant, is not the Ultimate Truth. We disagree, so I am done.
I presented what I presented. Those who seek the truth unencumbered by ex-con con artists, egotistical philanderers, and cult leaders can seek to explore it.
Again, may you reach union with the Divine. Don't do a holy war on me before I reach it on this side of life!
DaNOC
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Well if need be I will talk to her, and point her to a sista after I talk to her and give her the real, I have facts on it and will show her and then let a muslim sista talk to her because I can only go so far as a man, I can present to her facts, but the sista will be gentle and it will be all love.
It's good she is living healthy and in a positive light, but that can quickly come to an end once she see the real. I had an associate who left his $50,000 dollar year job with benefits to join NOI. He ended up Selling papers of the Final call and could barely pay his rent, food for his wife and child. She had to leave him, and when he woke up it was to late. He is Muslim now, and doing very well, though he lost his wife he gained a new one and yet his ex wife holds nothing but respect for him, and wish she wasn't the one he used as a freakin NOI ginuea pig lol So if you want you can hit me on email and talk about that because this is a delicate thing and shouldn't be all out in the open.
How the heck did we go from Music and Islam to this ? lol hahahah lol hahah
DaNOC
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Ok, I love the sarcasism of the holy war thing, but I am done we agree to disagree!
Vdub
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This is the man i've met... and i just read this on him.. this stuff sounds so WEIRD to me, i can't believe people actually believe/follow/base their lives on this guy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nation_of_Islam
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nation_of_Islam
Vdub
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ok cool, i'll do that... and see what happens
DaNOC
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LOL I Told you they were a splinter group of NOI lol hahah told you. All those leaders from Farrakhan, to Salis Muhammad to Clarence 13x better known as Puddin, etc have left to start their own business and it seems to me greed and own power is striking these opportunist! it's bananas.
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Jersey8five6
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yo noble, u r absolutely correct: most (if not all) muslim countries are backwards.
it's way easier to be a good muslim in america than anywhere else in the world. alot of people in muslim countries have this perception of the US as one giant orgy. first of all, we are probably the most conservative country in the west, so i don't understand why we are the ones that get the blame for bringing negativity to the world. Also, as negative as many people's sentiments towards muslims in America have gotten in the past couple of years, most of them still keep their sentiments to themselves.
In most so called muslim countries, you can't get anything done without bribing these corrupt politicians and "businessmen." they are all gangsters. even the cops expect u to bribe them.
In america, muslims can go to their boss and tell them "I will need 15 minutes of privacy twice a day so i can pray," or "i am going to the mosque every friday at 2:00 to pray. i'll be gone for an hour." Your employer legally can't say anything (as long as your request is practical.) In many muslim countries, your boss will tell u no, and if u defy him/her, u will be reprimanded, or maybe in a severe situation fired and blacklisted.
Then u see all this talk about muslim "holy men" (which in true islam, there should be none of) putting out all these ridiculous rules and dictating to their people what they should and shouldn't do. The biggest problem in these places stem from illiteracy. once these people know how to read, at least a small minority of them will make the effort to read the qur'an and see that these so-called scholars are frauds and are using religion as a tool to gain wealth and power. this is why u hear about the taliban destroying schools, they do not want their people to be able to think for themselves.
my point is, don't let these so called religious leaders and political leaders trick u into believing that they, their rulings, or actions represent the teachings found in the book. most of them can't read for themselves. It's way too tough to be a good muslim in those countries.
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JeanLukPigheart
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or in any country in the Western (the irony, Christian) World.
I am against religion in any form and know (not believe) that I am the master of my destiny. no Buddha so far escaped death (and this is the goal of every Buddha, escaping death) and no man so far was truly enlightened. we should strive for perfection, here on earth, not for validation of our deeds in Fantasy Land.
Religion is like music: if your friends at school listened to hip hop, you will more than likely like hip hop. if you got punk friends, punk will be your shyt. and so on.
there's no "true" music as there is no "true" religion. music hasn't poisoned anybody, religion poisoned billions. I don't need more than this life and I love my brothers and sisters more than their so-called "God". I don't want anybody to suffer IN THIS LIFE, while many self-righteous "believers" do anything to not suffer in the afterlife.
DaNOC
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Jersey8five6
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i don't think that's true. in europe there is a huge anti muslim sentiment. they have political parties there dedicated strictly towards closing immigration from muslim countries. Now Sarkozy is advocating a ban on women from wearing a scarf in public, in italy there was already a case of a girl being kicked out of school or something for wearing her scarf.
while people sometimes bring this up in america, we muslims, along with civil rights groups are usually able to fend these oppressors off.
in germany last month some pregnant muslim lady was stabbed in a courtroom full of people 18 times, then her husband was shot because the security gaurd somehow mistook him as the perpetrator (how did he not see the right guy after 18 thrusts of a knife?)
nothing like that has happened in the US, and hopefully will never happen.
i would rather live in the more westernized countries in the middle east (kuwait, qatar, bahrain) then most european countries.
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JeanLukPigheart
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To be honest, I doubt that will do those countries AND the Muslims living there any harm. They are closing immigration from ALL countries, because there are so many (mostly uneducated) people a society from the 21st century can take. no offense meant, but Intel hires many Indians, because they are qualified to do the work, not because they are coming from India.
There are enough of those who have no education, no job and no future. Many of them are immigrants, most of them from Islamic countries. That's not my interpretation, that's pure facts.
Haven't heard the story and I don't know what that has got to do with anything. Who stabbed her and why? Are you suggesting that being shot by guards/policy is somehow a European thing?
I did read stories about "honor killings" and this one guy who cut off his wife's head, took it to the next gas station to get some cigarettes. He was a Muslim. But I don't see how that's connected to him being a psycho? Feel me?
This statement can only come from someone who lived in neither one (of the options). lol
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JeanLukPigheart
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If I say God, I won't have to study astronomy/cosmology.
If you ask me "Who created the human?" and I answer "God of course!", I can scratch all of biology and Darwinism.
If you ask me "How comes we have seasons?" and I answer "because the Underworld asks God to breath out (then the smoke and fire fills the atmosphere and it's getting warm) and when he inhales, it's getting cold", I can forget all of science.
You see where this is leading? I will learn nothing, but I will feel like I know everything I need to know. And that's clearly a lie.
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Jersey8five6
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i should have been clearer, the guy who stabbed her was a Russian immigrant that called her a terrorist (that is why they were in court, so at least over there u can take someone to court for harassing u) and is said to have carried a negative attitude towards muslims in the past.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/06/headscarf-martyr-marwa-sh_n_226104.html
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JeanLukPigheart
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Sad story. There are many Russians who hate Muslims; that's because of their wars in Afghanistan and Chechnya. I once witnessed a Russian guy, drunk, attacking an Arab screaming "I was in Afghanistan, I fought there. I know what you are like and I hate you!". I calmed him down in Russian and told the Arab in Arabic to chill.
Btw, the only thing that makes this story "stand out" is the fact that she was a pregnant.
People get stabbed and killed every day. By Muslims, Christians and Atheists. To somehow connect a certain behavior to a certain country is stupid. Just read the article: "There is only one God and the Germans are the enemies of God"
At the end of the article: "
An Egyptian blogger Hicham Maged, wrote "let us play the 'What If' game."
"Just imagine if the situation was reversed and the victim was a Westerner who was stabbed anywhere in the world or _ God forbid _ in any Middle Eastern country by Muslim extremists," he said."
"Westeners" get stabbed by Muslim immigrants every single day. Where's the surprise? The media doesn't report on it as much, because that's simple criminal behavior, not "Muslim behavior". Feel me?
quoting: "Abdel Azeem Hamad, chief editor of the independent Egyptian daily el-Shorouk, said that if the victim had been a Jew, there would have been an uproar."
So even during such a TRAGEDY, where none of the involved were Jewish, this dude tries to take a stab (no pun intended) at Jews? WTF?
quoting: "
Officials from a German Muslim group and the country's main Jewish group made a joint visit Monday to the Dresden hospital where the victim's husband is being treated.
"You don't have to be a Muslim to act against anti-Muslim behavior, and you don't have to be a Jew to act against anti-Semitism," said Stephan Kramer, the general secretary of the Central Council of Jews."
Feel me?
"The martyr of the head scarf"...........what about "the little 3 year old kid who lost its mother and the husband who lost his wife"?
I find this kind of political propaganda disgusting.
DaNOC
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ok, again I will ask you this did man create the sun,moon, and stars?
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oohotcarameloo
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here are some things/opinions ive read on the topic from people on other sites.
"music is haram as its a form of worship.. to the artist lol. it takes you away from salat. quran, allah, doing more productive things.. it sthe same argument for hijab. hijab is fard and women inparticular will make up a million excuses to defend why tehy dont wear it. same for music people will defend it with any excuse. "it helps me relax" "its harmless" etc etc."
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References within the context of the Holy Qur`aan along with the Hadith of the Prophet confirm that music is haraam.
Interpreters of the Qur`aan have defined the term `lahwal hadith` which is mentioned in the Qur`aan as:
1) Singing and listening to songs.
2) Purchasing of male and female singers.
3) Purchase of instruments of fun and amusement.
When Sayyidana Abdullah Ibne Mas`ood , a very close companion of our Prophet was asked about the meaning of the term `lahwal hadith`, he replied
“I swear by Him besides whom there is no other God,that it refers to ghinaa (singing ).”
This statement, he repeated three times. This view is unanimously supported by the four Khalifas, the eminent Sahabaah, Tabi`een, the four Imaams and other reliable Islaamic scholars and authorities.
One hadith from the Bukhari Shareef, the most authentic Book of Hadith, further confirms unlawfulness of music and singing :
`There will be people of my Ummah who will seek to make lawful; fornication, wine-drinking and the use of ma`aazif ( musical instruments ).`T (Narrated by al-Bukhaari ta’leeqan, no. 5590; narrated as mawsool by al-Tabaraani and al-Bayhaqi. See al-Silsilah al-Saheehah by al-Albaani, 91).
Detailed analysis of the arabic word `ma`aazif ` shows that it refers to musical instruments, the sounds of those musical instruments and singing with the accompaniment of instruments.
Closer analysis of the wordings of the Hadith establishes the prohibition of music. Firstly, the words `seek to make lawful ` shows that music is not permissible, as logically one can only seek to make lawful that which is not allowed. Secondly, if music was not prohibited, then it would not have been brought within the same context as fornication and wine-drinking.
It was narrated that Naafi’ (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: Ibn ‘Umar heard a woodwind instrument, and he put his fingers in his ears and kept away from that path. He said to me, O Naafi’, can you hear anything? I said, No. So he took his fingers away from his ears and said: I was with the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and he heard something like this, and he did the same thing. (Saheeh Abi Dawood).
One should abstain from evil audacities such as listening to music and encourage others to do the same too.
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Evidence of prohibition in the Glorious Qur’an and Sunnah:
Allah (SWT) says in Sura Luqmaan (interpretation of the meaning): “And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing) to mislead (men) from the path of Allah…” [Luqmaan 31:6]
The scholar of the Ummah, Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allah be pleased with him) said: this means singing. Mujaahid (may Allah have mercy on him) said: this means playing the drum (tabl). (Tafseer al-Tabari, 21/40).
Al-Hasan al-Basri (may Allah have mercy on him) said: this Ayat was revealed concerning singing and musical instruments (lit. woodwind instruments). (Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 3/451).
The Messenger of Allah (pbuh) said: “Among my Ummah there will certainly be people who permit zina, silk, alcohol and musical instruments.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari ta’leeqan, no. 5590; narrated as mawsool by al-Tabaraani and al-Bayhaqi. See al-Silsilah al-Saheehah by al-Albaani, 91).
Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allah have mercy on him) said: This is a saheeh hadith narrated by al-Bukhaari in his Saheeh, where he quoted it as evidence and stated that it is mu’allaq and majzoom. He said: Chapter on what was narrated concerning those who permit alcohol and call it by another name.
This hadith indicates in two ways that musical instruments and enjoyment of listening to music are haram. The first is the fact that the Prophet (pbuh) said: “[they] permit” which clearly indicates that the things mentioned, including musical instruments, are haram according to the Shariah, but those people will permit them. The second is the fact that musical instruments are mentioned alongside things which are definitely known to be haram, i.e., zina and alcohol: if they (musical instruments) were not haram, why would they be mentioned alongside these things? (adapted from al-Silsilah al-Saheehah by al-Albaani, 1/140-141)
Shaykh al-Islam (Ibn Taymiyah) (may Allah have mercy on him) said: This hadith indicates that ma’aazif are haram, and ma’aazif means musical instruments according to the scholars of (Arabic) language. This word includes all such instruments. (al-Majmoo’, 11/535)
An appropriate exception
The exception to the above is the daff – without any rings (i.e., a hand-drum which looks like a tambourine, but without any rattles) – when used by women on Eids and at weddings. This is indicated by saheh reports. Shaykh al-Islam (may Allah have mercy on him) said: But the Prophet (pbuh) made allowances for certain types of musical instruments at weddings and the like, and he made allowances for women to play the daff at weddings and on other joyful occasions.
An inappropriate exception
Some of them make an exception for drums at times of war, and consequentially some modern scholars have said that military music is allowed. But there is no basis for this at all, for a number of reasons, the first of which is that this is making an exception with no clear evidence, apart from mere opinion and thinking that it is good, and this is wrong. The second reason is that what the Muslims should do at times of war is to turn their hearts towards their Lord. Allah (SWT) says (interpretation of the meaning): “They ask you (O Muhammad) about the spoils of war. Say: ‘The spoils are for Allah and the Messenger.’ So fear Allah and adjust all matters of difference among you…” [al-Anfaal 8:1]. But using music is the opposite of this idea of taqwa and it would distract them from remembering their Lord. Thirdly, using music is one of the customs of the non-believers, and it is not permitted to imitate them, especially with regard to something that Allah (SWT) has forbidden to us in general, such as music. (al-Saheehah, 1/145)
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Only Duff ( a one sided Drum) is allowed in islam according hadith of prophet pbuh and thats it and also natural sounds is allowed
in most nasheed u ll see natural sounds and Duff
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Music is only haram is certain circumstances
-unislamic lyrics (sex, drugs)
-provokes bad thoughts
-takes you away from Allah swt
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As time goes on you go from "Love me tender" (Elvis) to "Candyshop" (50 Cent).
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Narrated Abu 'Amir or Abu Malik Al-Ash'ari that he heard the Prophet saying, "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks, and the use of musical instruments as lawful. And (from them), there will be some who will stay near the side of a mountain, and in the evening their shepherd will come to them with their sheep and ask them for something, but they will say to him, 'Return to us tomorrow.' Allah will destroy them during the night and will let the mountain fall on them, and Allah will transform the rest of them into monkeys and pigs and they will remain so till the Day of Resurrection."
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Music is haram. All the music nowadays has lyrics involving sex, drugs, & drinking etc
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1) The work of any human being will include within it, intentionally or unintentionally his or her ideology. So listening to music, which induces a trance like hypnotic state in the listener, means you are subconsciously taking in the message of the pieces creator. Given how vulgar, materialistic, selfish most music is today, you can see the problem.
2) Secondly, certain type of people are attracted to certain types of occupations. The muslim prophet said that, "those who want power are unfit for power". Which would mean that all politcians who want your votes to get the job as president, are unfit for the job by their desire for the job. The media industry also has a similar problem.
The message of the prophet was that, evil people seek power, thus you should be wary of people who seek power as they most likely have bad intentions. Add to this Knowledge is Power, and the media is knowledge. You have people who gravitate towards the media that have agenda's, that are not in your interest. The media is filled with people who do not have the best interest of others at heart.
People who are attracted to the entertainment industry are not virtuous. Virtuous people, trustworthy people, do not seek jobs that feed their ego's, that feed their need to be idolised, jobs that manipulate peoples minds and opnions. Virtuous people thus do not on the whole enter the entertainment business. So it ends up being filled with unscrupulous people, who don't care about you.
Add to this the next point.
3) The media industry is one that seeks to make money through selling pleasure. Such Entertainment by its nature is about feeding the appetites. The carnal appetites of the body and the desires of the ego. Such as lust, gluttony, envy, greed, ego etc. By feeding and increasing these appetites of yours they make their money.
So they will CREATE these appetites in you, so that they can then sell you their products to feed them. They will create in you desire for;
Lust = beauty products etc
Gluttony = fast food etc
Pride = brand name shoes & clothing etc
Ego = toys, gadgets, plasma tv's, etc
Greed = usury, stock market, pyramid scheme, etc
Desire = immoral, addictive consumer behaviour etc
Then they sell you their opiats, their miracle cures, such as music, fast food, barbie, modelling, lipstick, acting, brand name clothing, tribalism, fame, etc. Making you addicted to these appetites.
4) Add to this the statement of the buddha and islam "that all suffering is caused by desire and ego" or dhunya. You should now see how detrimental points 3, 2 and 1 add up to make this industry to you. This industry causes you nothing but suffering, spiritually and physically.
It will cause to be stuck in samsara, continual birth, death and rebirth of your appetites. In other words they create an appetite in you for the product they are selling (this world, the iphone, music, GAP clothing, barbie, pokemon or whatever) "this is birth". You feed your appetite they created, by buying what they tell you, satisfying it temporarily, this is death, temporary death. This appetite is now awakened, so after a while it will be reborn, and you will have to buy something else to satisfy it, and so on and so on. This is what it means to be a consumer, you consume. Always unhappy, always trying to fill a hole that can never be filled.
5) An old Cherokee tale tells of a grandfather teaching life principles to his grandson. The grandfather tells his grandson, “son, on the inside of every person a battle is raging between two wolves. one wolf is evil. It is angry, jealous, unforgiving, proud and lazy. The other wolf is good. It is filled with love, kindness, humility, and self-control. The two wolves are constantly fighting. The little boy thought about it, and said, “Grandfather, which wolf is going to win?” the grandfather smiled and said, “whichever one you feed.”
This story illustrates the battle that is going on inside you. Between dhunya, selfishness, ego, materialsim, and akhira, unselfishness, humility, spiritualism. It is a battle between materialism and religion. The one that you feed is the one that you will become.
6) The chinese say that "the journey of a 1000 mile begins with a single step". The muslim prophet said "do not follow in the footsteps of satan". Not do not follow satan, but do not follow "in the footsteps" of satan.
Together they make the point that what we think is no biggy today, is the precursor to a biggy tommorrow. One step leads to another, another step leads to another, and before you know it, we do something we regret, we commit a sin and are addicted to that sin or crime, causing many people to suffer. This is what people who commit adultery, drink drive, etc say often. We didn't plan it, one thing led to another. This is the journey of a 1000 mile, that started off with a single step, (following in the footsteps of satan). Music and the entertainment industry, tv, and mass media is also a step in this 1000mile journey we are making.
If you can see the big picture, how all these points add up. You should be able to see why music leads to suffering to you and everyone else. Everything you do marks out your identity as to who you are. And also decides who you become. And who your children become, who your grandchildren become, and who your society and friends become. our actions have consquences that will last until the end of time.
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drinking alcohol also have some benefit beside many disadvantages
but its disadvantages are more than its advantages thats y it is Haram (unlawful) Allah SWT knows good for us
listening to music and dancing also may have some advantages but
its disadvantages are more and thats y it is unlawful to listen
and reason why it is:
Music usually intoxicates a person and takes one away from the path of Allah (swt). Music engages a person’s mind and takes him/her away from the remembrance of his/her Creator and from realizing and focusing his/her attention on the purpose of his/her creation. In musical songs, most of the times the listeners even appreciate illogical, incorrect and blasphemous matter and content. A person will realize this when he starts pondering over the meaning of many Hindi and English songs, lyrics and ghazals. Here we find that it is because of music that the person’s mind is intoxicated and the person deviates from the straight path.
"music is haram as its a form of worship.. to the artist lol. it takes you away from salat. quran, allah, doing more productive things.. it sthe same argument for hijab. hijab is fard and women inparticular will make up a million excuses to defend why tehy dont wear it. same for music people will defend it with any excuse. "it helps me relax" "its harmless" etc etc."
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References within the context of the Holy Qur`aan along with the Hadith of the Prophet confirm that music is haraam.
Interpreters of the Qur`aan have defined the term `lahwal hadith` which is mentioned in the Qur`aan as:
1) Singing and listening to songs.
2) Purchasing of male and female singers.
3) Purchase of instruments of fun and amusement.
When Sayyidana Abdullah Ibne Mas`ood , a very close companion of our Prophet was asked about the meaning of the term `lahwal hadith`, he replied
“I swear by Him besides whom there is no other God,that it refers to ghinaa (singing ).”
This statement, he repeated three times. This view is unanimously supported by the four Khalifas, the eminent Sahabaah, Tabi`een, the four Imaams and other reliable Islaamic scholars and authorities.
One hadith from the Bukhari Shareef, the most authentic Book of Hadith, further confirms unlawfulness of music and singing :
`There will be people of my Ummah who will seek to make lawful; fornication, wine-drinking and the use of ma`aazif ( musical instruments ).`T (Narrated by al-Bukhaari ta’leeqan, no. 5590; narrated as mawsool by al-Tabaraani and al-Bayhaqi. See al-Silsilah al-Saheehah by al-Albaani, 91).
Detailed analysis of the arabic word `ma`aazif ` shows that it refers to musical instruments, the sounds of those musical instruments and singing with the accompaniment of instruments.
Closer analysis of the wordings of the Hadith establishes the prohibition of music. Firstly, the words `seek to make lawful ` shows that music is not permissible, as logically one can only seek to make lawful that which is not allowed. Secondly, if music was not prohibited, then it would not have been brought within the same context as fornication and wine-drinking.
It was narrated that Naafi’ (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: Ibn ‘Umar heard a woodwind instrument, and he put his fingers in his ears and kept away from that path. He said to me, O Naafi’, can you hear anything? I said, No. So he took his fingers away from his ears and said: I was with the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and he heard something like this, and he did the same thing. (Saheeh Abi Dawood).
One should abstain from evil audacities such as listening to music and encourage others to do the same too.
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Evidence of prohibition in the Glorious Qur’an and Sunnah:
Allah (SWT) says in Sura Luqmaan (interpretation of the meaning): “And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing) to mislead (men) from the path of Allah…” [Luqmaan 31:6]
The scholar of the Ummah, Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allah be pleased with him) said: this means singing. Mujaahid (may Allah have mercy on him) said: this means playing the drum (tabl). (Tafseer al-Tabari, 21/40).
Al-Hasan al-Basri (may Allah have mercy on him) said: this Ayat was revealed concerning singing and musical instruments (lit. woodwind instruments). (Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 3/451).
The Messenger of Allah (pbuh) said: “Among my Ummah there will certainly be people who permit zina, silk, alcohol and musical instruments.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari ta’leeqan, no. 5590; narrated as mawsool by al-Tabaraani and al-Bayhaqi. See al-Silsilah al-Saheehah by al-Albaani, 91).
Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allah have mercy on him) said: This is a saheeh hadith narrated by al-Bukhaari in his Saheeh, where he quoted it as evidence and stated that it is mu’allaq and majzoom. He said: Chapter on what was narrated concerning those who permit alcohol and call it by another name.
This hadith indicates in two ways that musical instruments and enjoyment of listening to music are haram. The first is the fact that the Prophet (pbuh) said: “[they] permit” which clearly indicates that the things mentioned, including musical instruments, are haram according to the Shariah, but those people will permit them. The second is the fact that musical instruments are mentioned alongside things which are definitely known to be haram, i.e., zina and alcohol: if they (musical instruments) were not haram, why would they be mentioned alongside these things? (adapted from al-Silsilah al-Saheehah by al-Albaani, 1/140-141)
Shaykh al-Islam (Ibn Taymiyah) (may Allah have mercy on him) said: This hadith indicates that ma’aazif are haram, and ma’aazif means musical instruments according to the scholars of (Arabic) language. This word includes all such instruments. (al-Majmoo’, 11/535)
An appropriate exception
The exception to the above is the daff – without any rings (i.e., a hand-drum which looks like a tambourine, but without any rattles) – when used by women on Eids and at weddings. This is indicated by saheh reports. Shaykh al-Islam (may Allah have mercy on him) said: But the Prophet (pbuh) made allowances for certain types of musical instruments at weddings and the like, and he made allowances for women to play the daff at weddings and on other joyful occasions.
An inappropriate exception
Some of them make an exception for drums at times of war, and consequentially some modern scholars have said that military music is allowed. But there is no basis for this at all, for a number of reasons, the first of which is that this is making an exception with no clear evidence, apart from mere opinion and thinking that it is good, and this is wrong. The second reason is that what the Muslims should do at times of war is to turn their hearts towards their Lord. Allah (SWT) says (interpretation of the meaning): “They ask you (O Muhammad) about the spoils of war. Say: ‘The spoils are for Allah and the Messenger.’ So fear Allah and adjust all matters of difference among you…” [al-Anfaal 8:1]. But using music is the opposite of this idea of taqwa and it would distract them from remembering their Lord. Thirdly, using music is one of the customs of the non-believers, and it is not permitted to imitate them, especially with regard to something that Allah (SWT) has forbidden to us in general, such as music. (al-Saheehah, 1/145)
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Only Duff ( a one sided Drum) is allowed in islam according hadith of prophet pbuh and thats it and also natural sounds is allowed
in most nasheed u ll see natural sounds and Duff
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Music is only haram is certain circumstances
-unislamic lyrics (sex, drugs)
-provokes bad thoughts
-takes you away from Allah swt
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As time goes on you go from "Love me tender" (Elvis) to "Candyshop" (50 Cent).
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Narrated Abu 'Amir or Abu Malik Al-Ash'ari that he heard the Prophet saying, "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks, and the use of musical instruments as lawful. And (from them), there will be some who will stay near the side of a mountain, and in the evening their shepherd will come to them with their sheep and ask them for something, but they will say to him, 'Return to us tomorrow.' Allah will destroy them during the night and will let the mountain fall on them, and Allah will transform the rest of them into monkeys and pigs and they will remain so till the Day of Resurrection."
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Music is haram. All the music nowadays has lyrics involving sex, drugs, & drinking etc
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1) The work of any human being will include within it, intentionally or unintentionally his or her ideology. So listening to music, which induces a trance like hypnotic state in the listener, means you are subconsciously taking in the message of the pieces creator. Given how vulgar, materialistic, selfish most music is today, you can see the problem.
2) Secondly, certain type of people are attracted to certain types of occupations. The muslim prophet said that, "those who want power are unfit for power". Which would mean that all politcians who want your votes to get the job as president, are unfit for the job by their desire for the job. The media industry also has a similar problem.
The message of the prophet was that, evil people seek power, thus you should be wary of people who seek power as they most likely have bad intentions. Add to this Knowledge is Power, and the media is knowledge. You have people who gravitate towards the media that have agenda's, that are not in your interest. The media is filled with people who do not have the best interest of others at heart.
People who are attracted to the entertainment industry are not virtuous. Virtuous people, trustworthy people, do not seek jobs that feed their ego's, that feed their need to be idolised, jobs that manipulate peoples minds and opnions. Virtuous people thus do not on the whole enter the entertainment business. So it ends up being filled with unscrupulous people, who don't care about you.
Add to this the next point.
3) The media industry is one that seeks to make money through selling pleasure. Such Entertainment by its nature is about feeding the appetites. The carnal appetites of the body and the desires of the ego. Such as lust, gluttony, envy, greed, ego etc. By feeding and increasing these appetites of yours they make their money.
So they will CREATE these appetites in you, so that they can then sell you their products to feed them. They will create in you desire for;
Lust = beauty products etc
Gluttony = fast food etc
Pride = brand name shoes & clothing etc
Ego = toys, gadgets, plasma tv's, etc
Greed = usury, stock market, pyramid scheme, etc
Desire = immoral, addictive consumer behaviour etc
Then they sell you their opiats, their miracle cures, such as music, fast food, barbie, modelling, lipstick, acting, brand name clothing, tribalism, fame, etc. Making you addicted to these appetites.
4) Add to this the statement of the buddha and islam "that all suffering is caused by desire and ego" or dhunya. You should now see how detrimental points 3, 2 and 1 add up to make this industry to you. This industry causes you nothing but suffering, spiritually and physically.
It will cause to be stuck in samsara, continual birth, death and rebirth of your appetites. In other words they create an appetite in you for the product they are selling (this world, the iphone, music, GAP clothing, barbie, pokemon or whatever) "this is birth". You feed your appetite they created, by buying what they tell you, satisfying it temporarily, this is death, temporary death. This appetite is now awakened, so after a while it will be reborn, and you will have to buy something else to satisfy it, and so on and so on. This is what it means to be a consumer, you consume. Always unhappy, always trying to fill a hole that can never be filled.
5) An old Cherokee tale tells of a grandfather teaching life principles to his grandson. The grandfather tells his grandson, “son, on the inside of every person a battle is raging between two wolves. one wolf is evil. It is angry, jealous, unforgiving, proud and lazy. The other wolf is good. It is filled with love, kindness, humility, and self-control. The two wolves are constantly fighting. The little boy thought about it, and said, “Grandfather, which wolf is going to win?” the grandfather smiled and said, “whichever one you feed.”
This story illustrates the battle that is going on inside you. Between dhunya, selfishness, ego, materialsim, and akhira, unselfishness, humility, spiritualism. It is a battle between materialism and religion. The one that you feed is the one that you will become.
6) The chinese say that "the journey of a 1000 mile begins with a single step". The muslim prophet said "do not follow in the footsteps of satan". Not do not follow satan, but do not follow "in the footsteps" of satan.
Together they make the point that what we think is no biggy today, is the precursor to a biggy tommorrow. One step leads to another, another step leads to another, and before you know it, we do something we regret, we commit a sin and are addicted to that sin or crime, causing many people to suffer. This is what people who commit adultery, drink drive, etc say often. We didn't plan it, one thing led to another. This is the journey of a 1000 mile, that started off with a single step, (following in the footsteps of satan). Music and the entertainment industry, tv, and mass media is also a step in this 1000mile journey we are making.
If you can see the big picture, how all these points add up. You should be able to see why music leads to suffering to you and everyone else. Everything you do marks out your identity as to who you are. And also decides who you become. And who your children become, who your grandchildren become, and who your society and friends become. our actions have consquences that will last until the end of time.
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drinking alcohol also have some benefit beside many disadvantages
but its disadvantages are more than its advantages thats y it is Haram (unlawful) Allah SWT knows good for us
listening to music and dancing also may have some advantages but
its disadvantages are more and thats y it is unlawful to listen
and reason why it is:
Music usually intoxicates a person and takes one away from the path of Allah (swt). Music engages a person’s mind and takes him/her away from the remembrance of his/her Creator and from realizing and focusing his/her attention on the purpose of his/her creation. In musical songs, most of the times the listeners even appreciate illogical, incorrect and blasphemous matter and content. A person will realize this when he starts pondering over the meaning of many Hindi and English songs, lyrics and ghazals. Here we find that it is because of music that the person’s mind is intoxicated and the person deviates from the straight path.
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That's irrelevant to the discussion at hand. These celestial bodies formed from the remains of a supernova (hence the heavy metals on earth - our Sun is to small to become a supernova and/or create heavy metals during that process). Not only that: every single drop of water on earth came out of the space.
You see, by answering "God/Allah/Thor did it", none of us would've ever learned a single thing. I just gave you a hint of what studying physics/astronomy/cosmology brings to the table, unlike the "God did it" statement, which is not only unprovable, but also lacks ANY SORT OF INFORMATION.