I hate SoundClick.com Producers Rant!

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Wow....this thread got long, quickly.

To talk about these cookie cutter beats, they will never go away. You can talk about an uprising and get as many people as you want to go along with you, but at the end of the day, radio controls listeners and record execs control radio. If you want to change something, you have to make it to the top, then trickle your beliefs downhill. Until this happens, we will continue to have cookie cutter beats and rappers who talk about their chains, *******, and whips.
 
EnygmasMusic said:
Wow....this thread got long, quickly.

To talk about these cookie cutter beats, they will never go away. You can talk about an uprising and get as many people as you want to go along with you, but at the end of the day, radio controls listeners and record execs control radio. If you want to change something, you have to make it to the top, then trickle your beliefs downhill. Until this happens, we will continue to have cookie cutter beats and rappers who talk about their chains, *******, and whips.
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this is true but it still will get some people thinking for what a 30 second post every once in a while people say this forum is goin downhill but look how we intelligently side tracked this filler thread :cheers:
 
EnygmasMusic said:
Wow....this thread got long, quickly.

To talk about these cookie cutter beats, they will never go away. You can talk about an uprising and get as many people as you want to go along with you, but at the end of the day, radio controls listeners and record execs control radio. If you want to change something, you have to make it to the top, then trickle your beliefs downhill. Until this happens, we will continue to have cookie cutter beats and rappers who talk about their chains, *******, and whips.
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the listners aint buying... even though radio is pumping it.

Now they are forcing it down your throat. but it will change.
It might get worse but it will change.

See I FIGURED IT OUT. SOUNCLICK IS FOR THOSE BEATS ONLY.

IF YOU A TRYING TO PRODUCE BOOM BAP OR SOMETHING LIKE FOR OUTKAST OR SCARFACE TYPE OF STUFF HARD BEATS.



FORGET IT.


CAUSE THE BUYERS OF SOUNDCLICK NEVER LISTENED TO THAT.

THE LAST PERSON THEY KNOW AS SENIOR IS JAY Z

TUPAC STUFF HAD GROWN MEN IN TEARS.

YOU CAN'T BUY SELL THAT TO THEM WHEN MOST SOUNDCLICK BUYERS NEVER STRUGGLED. THEY HAVE COMPUTERS,IPOD, ETC.

ITS EVEIDENT CAUSE TREY SONGS IS GETTING AWAY WITH MURDER RIGHT NOW. HE CAN'T EVEN SING IN HIS HIGH REGISTER WITHOUT SOUNDING LIKE A CHICKEN.

HE TOOK R.KELLY STYLE THEN TALKED SMACK ABOUT HIM. IT GOT AWAY CAUSE A NEW GENERATION DID NOT WITNESS THE BEST OF R.KELLY.
 
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radio does control what the listeners listen too

but listeners ultimatly control radio by listening

if we didnt listen labels and companys would no longer pay for ad space

if companys and labels stop paying for ad space there would be no radio for listeners

but what have we seen?

when i was a kid we all listened to the radio

kids now have internet radio myspace and youtube and so forth
they have learned they can find what they like and dont have to listen to the radio

labels have agressivly attack by pushing harder and harder to desperate measures

the sales speak they dont lie labels can only survive for so much longer follwing theyre current tactics its not internet thiefs who are to blame sure that does make up a fraction but as a whole the labels are failing due to the garbage they push and eventually they will fall
every empire crumbles its called evolution
 
thebay said:
radio does control what the listeners listen too

but listeners ultimatly control radio by listening

if we didnt listen labels and companys would no longer pay for ad space

if companys and labels stop paying for ad space there would be no radio for listeners

but what have we seen?

When i was a kid we all listened to the radio

kids now have internet radio myspace and youtube and so forth
they have learned they can find what they like and dont have to listen to the radio

labels have agressivly attack by pushing harder and harder to desperate measures

the sales speak they dont lie labels can only survive for so much longer follwing theyre current tactics its not internet thiefs who are to blame sure that does make up a fraction but as a whole the labels are failing due to the garbage they push and eventually they will fall
every empire crumbles its called evolution
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radio is paid to pay that mess. The young kid at home hears it regurgitates it ..then emulate it.

Those guys on soundclick are making money now but, there name will me mud when the sound changes.

Chasing that quick money is for some.. I wont knock the hustle...

But talent comes from originality. . It doesn't take talent to copy something. That has been done to black music since the beginning.
 
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agreed on all acounts i said ad space only cuz whta most dont realize they aint listening to music they are listening to ads
 
tmicbeats said:
Yeah the tags don't seem to stop most rappers. I've heard plenty of vybe, ka, white hot tags at shows around here. Also have heard songs on myspace with rappers spitting to superstar o beats while it's saying "purchase your tracks today" in the background through out the whole song.
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Wow! That is so unprofessional. Just BUY the beat already.

I knew back in 2005 this music ish would be ruined by Myspace NOW SoundClick. Just like parasites.

Once everybody is doing it...there's no value in it.

I have local rappers/singers who want to record for FREE.

Fool please. Nobody is serious and I don't believe in their work. Why would I record MC Nobody for FREE.

I've been to SC and all the ish does sound the same. TRAP BEATS.

Some may like em...Why, I don't have a clue.

Kids stay in school. Be a doctor please. You're need. Believe me.
 
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EnygmasMusic said:
Ok, I get what all you guys are saying about tagging the hell outta your beats so no one uses em.

What I am talking about is the people who promote their beats as "FREE DOWNLOAD!!!!"

This gets all the beat searchers who rap as a hobby instead of a profession on to their page. They click on a beat and are absolutely in love with the first 15 seconds so they download it.
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You answered your own question while making up something that isn't true...

Yeah, the free download gets all the beat searchers...that's where you should have stopped. A free download doesn't magically filter out people who aren't doing this as a hobby. It brings all comers to the page. Free downloads = millions of hits. millions of hits = sales.

Now that's where the tag comes in. I'm against tagging all over a beat. What I am for is a quick tag that isn't jaring, just recognizable enough to let you know who made it. 90% of the time, the DLer will leave that tag on and IF they are performing it illegally, everyone in the crowd just heard who made the beat/where it's from.

A few people in here already talked about hearing tags during performances...it's common and it works.

It's about the numbers...and speaking of the numbers, you look at the top of the charts, guess who is tagging and giving out free DL's? Exactly...

Don't write off something just because you don't understand it. It is done for a reason...figure out why instead of being left behind.

And no, I'm not saying this is the best or the only way because I do things differently myself. But I am saying it obviously is effective marketing...just look at the numbers. Those are the same producers who aren't complaining about sales...
 
Labels won't fall.

Record sales are a small fraction of what record labels bring in. They make most of their revenue off of live performances. Ticket sales and merch go mostly to the label's pocket so when you hear a Lil Wayne track on the radio every 7 songs, when you hear he's coming to town they are hoping you'll run out and buy a ticket to the show.

This is where independent artists need to learn that they don't need record deals. Look at Drake. I can't stand his music to be honest, but his promotion team helped make him millions without ever signing a recording contract. He'd be stupid to ever sign one unless they were offering guaranteed money plus shared profits.
 
NoVA Entertainment said:
You answered your own question while making up something that isn't true...

Yeah, the free download gets all the beat searchers...that's where you should have stopped. A free download doesn't magically filter out people who aren't doing this as a hobby. It brings all comers to the page. Free downloads = millions of hits. millions of hits = sales.

Now that's where the tag comes in. I'm against tagging all over a beat. What I am for is a quick tag that isn't jaring, just recognizable enough to let you know who made it. 90% of the time, the DLer will leave that tag on and IF they are performing it illegally, everyone in the crowd just heard who made the beat/where it's from.

A few people in here already talked about hearing tags during performances...it's common and it works.

It's about the numbers...and speaking of the numbers, you look at the top of the charts, guess who is tagging and giving out free DL's? Exactly...

Don't write off something just because you don't understand it. It is done for a reason...figure out why instead of being left behind.

And no, I'm not saying this is the best or the only way because I do things differently myself. But I am saying it obviously is effective marketing...just look at the numbers. Those are the same producers who aren't complaining about sales...
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Ok, I understand that its a tactic in duping people to come to your page, but if you're only concerned about how many page views you get to put you at the top of the soundclick charts, then why wouldn't you just download a page view increaser. Its the same thing because people are hitting your page and instantly turning away once they hear your tag all over the beat. At least with a page view increaser you're not tricking someone into listening to a beat that they think is free, when in all actuality, its just a ploy for the page hits.


I think I'm rambling a bit, but I understand what I'm trying to say....lol
 
im done ive spoke my piece (for now)im going to venture of into cyber space in search for music that dosent suck
 
Why aren't there placements coming from these soundclick producers.

Somebody' not taking these guys serious, meaning the major artists.


I know they are full aware of these producers.
 
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Cash_Daily said:
Wow! That is so unprofessional. Just BUY the beat already.

I knew back in 2005 this music ish would be ruined by Myspace NOW SoundClick. Just like parasites.

Once everybody is doing it...there's no value in it.

I have local rappers/singers who want to record for FREE.

Fool please. Nobody is serious and I don't believe in their work. Why would I record MC Nobody for FREE.

I've been to SC and all the ish does sound the same. TRAP BEATS.

Some may like em...Why, I don't have a clue.

Kids stay in school. Be a doctor please. You're need. Believe me.
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Still, just like you don't want to record MC Nobody for free, rappers don't want to pay DJ Nobody either lol. It goes both ways, bro.

Find a way to position yourself in that community as the man you want to throw a little bit of money at in order for them to get a lot of money.

You make people understand/believe that, then your studio is set.

It's about that perception...you have to find your own way to show them that YOU as a producer not only has value, but MORE value than them getting their production done any other way. Make yourself the best possible avenue locally and grow it out from there.

Or, maybe you DO want to record people for free...do it as a package deal. They purchase a beat then they get X hours of studio time.

If you aren't just a beat maker, there is money to be made with recording, engineering, writing, etc. I think it's more obvious than ever that the professionals that were saying to stick to one thing and one thing only have outdated advice.
 
I've made plenty off my beats from soundclick connections and I'm fairly unknown. If your sounds are sick enough, rappers will pay.
 
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Jazzbot said:
ITS EVEIDENT CAUSE TREY SONGS IS GETTING AWAY WITH MURDER RIGHT NOW. HE CAN'T EVEN SING IN HIS HIGH REGISTER WITHOUT SOUNDING LIKE A CHICKEN.

HE TOOK R.KELLY STYLE THEN TALKED SMACK ABOUT HIM. IT GOT AWAY CAUSE A NEW GENERATION DID NOT WITNESS THE BEST OF R.KELLY.
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lmao...I thought I was the only one who thought about that. I didn't think other people thought it sounded like he stole R. Kelly's style (and not as good...does sound weird up high) and then when he talked **** about him and I was like wha? lol.
 
NoVA Entertainment said:
Still, just like you don't want to record MC Nobody for free, rappers don't want to pay DJ Nobody either lol. It goes both ways, bro.

Find a way to position yourself in that community as the man you want to throw a little bit of money at in order for them to get a lot of money.

You make people understand/believe that, then your studio is set.

It's about that perception...you have to find your own way to show them that YOU as a producer not only has value, but MORE value than them getting their production done any other way. Make yourself the best possible avenue locally and grow it out from there.

Or, maybe you DO want to record people for free...do it as a package deal. They purchase a beat then they get X hours of studio time.

If you aren't just a beat maker, there is money to be made with recording, engineering, writing, etc. I think it's more obvious than ever that the professionals that were saying to stick to one thing and one thing only have outdated advice.
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Great advice brother. I'm just not in to it like I was back in 2002.
 
Jazzbot said:
Why aren't there placements coming from these soundclick producers.

Somebody' not taking these guys serious, meaning the major artists.


I know they are full aware of these producers.
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Because FREE = NO value.

Major artist go with Major Producers (With Value).
 
EnygmasMusic said:
Ok, I understand that its a tactic in duping people to come to your page, but if you're only concerned about how many page views you get to put you at the top of the soundclick charts, then why wouldn't you just download a page view increaser. Its the same thing because people are hitting your page and instantly turning away once they hear your tag all over the beat. At least with a page view increaser you're not tricking someone into listening to a beat that they think is free, when in all actuality, its just a ploy for the page hits.


I think I'm rambling a bit, but I understand what I'm trying to say....lol
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lol, the point of the free DL would be to get actual people to your page...not to have your page say there were a million people there...you actually want a million people there. So the fake counter would do you no good...numbers only mean something when they can lead to sales...a fake counter leads to just fake numbers that can't purchase anything INCLUDING that free DL you posted up with the tag at the beginning which would have been free advertising everytime those people played it, posted it, linked it, perform it illegally. naw mean?

It's basically making the idea of piracy irrelavent...actually, it's making the idea of piracy work for you. You basically just hired thousands of pirates to spread your booty haha. And the funny thing is, some of those pirates come back to buy your beat, others find OTHERS to buy your beat, while at the same time you are attracting more real buyers than any other website in the first place.

The sites with the free DLs and Tags are the most well known places for beat buying. I can't tell you who soundlick member # 212 is, but I can name the top 15 or so (of all time, not now). And that is because of their business model.

Anyone who knows about marketing will tell you that it's all about exposure. Getting your name out there, your brand. The free DLs has the top 5 or so soundclick producer's names floating all over the internet (here, youtube, facebook, etc.)
 
Cash_Daily said:
Because FREE = NO value.

Major artist go with Major Producers (With Value).
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Exactly, that's is why the producers can't understand these type of threads is because they are missing the point of "VALUE" in their work.

It has always been like this

1.people getting into music for a quick buck and

2.those who care about their production work and name.
 
Jazzbot said:
Why aren't there placements coming from these soundclick producers.

Somebody' not taking these guys serious, meaning the major artists.


I know they are full aware of these producers.
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Placements aren't the source of their income if you are referring to major label releases.

Most soundclick producers have a very different business model than say your major label producer. They make the most money buy selling exclusive rights to these beats. A major label producer will make most of their money on royalties and their advance.

IF soundclick has built to keep track of royalties, you might be seeing a very different approach. But technically soundclick doesn't even sell beats. It's a third party system where the producer actually does all of the money processing through paypal or whatever they decide. Soundclick handles none of that.

Also, I personally feel like you have to have more of a physical presence than just being a soundclick producer in order to start building up to getting major label placements on a more consistent basis. And the best way to do so is by starting off local and taking over your region.

There are a lot of other things involved as well, but that's the gist of it.
 
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