I decided i'm giving music up...

[InspiredMinDs]

everything in the world is based on who you know man, and you not gonna get to be boss of anything or be in a position to not have to follow the guidelines of the major labels if you dont ever stack up your placements...

 

[j.troup]

the only way to have real power and influence in america is to have plenty money...start accepting some of those placements and deals your turning down and let the money build...its a "one step at a time process"

That's not the way I wanna run it.


You can't have any power and influence with someone's dick in your ass.




But y'all, don't worry...I got this.




This is my all or nothing. But trust me, it'll be more ALL THAN NOTHING.





lol...funny. Some people in this thread really think I'm on the ropes.



Trust me, if I bow out of music, it's for something bigger and better.




I succeed on MY terms, in everything that I do. I've never failed in my life...EVER. AT ANYTHING.



And I'm not about to start now.





Watch me fly. Haters.

 

[j.troup]

everything in the world is based on who you know man, and you not gonna get to be boss of anything or be in a position to not have to follow the guidelines of the major labels if you dont ever stack up your placements...

lol. Keep chasing those placements. Let me know how that goes for you. But I'm making more money per year than those cats getting "placements".


I've never been too good at following guidelines. I've always done sh*t my way.


And this is no exception.

 

[[F_or_DEAF]]

"Troup we love u, love your music, but unless you agree to this, it's a no"

wow...

fukcery @ it's finest...

 

[biggrome]

See that's the thing though, you seem too serious sometimes. Kinda rigid. When you're in you're studio, everything seems structured. The vids other people post seems like everything is more free flowing. Like when Chase used to post up those vids, I'm not sure if they were being hams but rather just having fun and not having a serious undertone 24/7. When SS Inc and Sleep used to stream, it wasn't like you tuned in to watch "them" but rather you tuned in to kinda hang out sorta. It wasn't like they were putting themselves on a pedestal and saying "Watch me make moves", I don't know.

You got to loosen up a little bit. When you were at that conference and made that vid, you looked a little too serious on there too. That intimidates some people. It makes it hard to trust them because they seem to always have their guard up.

Only thing I know is that there is no tried and true method and nothing anybody suggests is guaranteed to work. It takes like damn near 50 things to happen before anything works, lol. Somebody says get a manager, somebody else says change cities to one of the music hubs, somebody else says get your own artist, somebody else says sell cheap ass beats, somebody else says get out and network.... no guarantee's.

Music ish will never frustrate me, it doesn't have that much power over me. I've posted on here a hundred times that the music biz is just like the NFL / NBA draft... somebody is not going to get called up.

Also it looked like you wanted to get on in the same way as Diddy or Russell and just come out running ish but those types of dudes had to intern at Uptown, Russell needed Rick Rubin...

Loosen up, have some fun and these end all threads will disappear. All of that time for 6 years... that's overkill. I'd be burnt out too.

Your site might take off though, so maybe this thread is for naught.

Good luck man... because that's 99.5% of what getting on/known is. Every success story I've heard went that way.

 

[James Keaze]

...if IndustrySound.com does not succeed in the way that I want it to.



Yes I said it.



IndustrySound.com is the culmination of 19 years of studying and knowledge of the music industry. I'm a freaking walking encyclopedia of music knowledge and music industry business practices/trends since 1990 (when I was 3).


Money wise, I'm good for about a year of not working. But at some point, I have to say "okay, this isn't working, I need to switch gears to build a true career".



Everybody has that "stopping point". IndustrySound.com is mine.




If it doesn't work, then I'm out the music game. I'll be selling all of my equipment, and it'll be a wrap.



This venture is everything that I know about EVERYTHING. It's everything I love, and it's everything that I am.




I've never set any drop dead date like this before, but this is it.

I commend you for having the ability to see things for what they are. Some people blindly walk the line. The most successful people have always been able to take huge losses because they understand that nothing is certain and opportunity, although not endless, has become abundant. Your a smart and driven man. You'll succeed in whatever you put your mind to. I support IndustrySound.com.

 

[j.troup]

lol...rome said I was too serious.


Man, when that camera ain't on, and I'm downstairs in my drawz at 4am making beats...dancing all around, and doing my ryan leslie impersonation...lol.


But I am very serious when it comes to music though. I love it just that much. So during sessions, i'm about business. But I have learned to chill out though, and laugh and have fun. Cuz all of that affects the outcome of the song. Gotta keep the vocalists having fun. Cuz the minute it becomes work, then the session is a wrap.


I've never been able to shake that "serious" thing when it comes to conducting business. When we're not conducting business, I'm laughing, joking, talking about niggaz, gettin on every nigga that walk in the room. I'm funny as hell too...will have you dying for HOURS...

But when we start talking business, all that sh*t goes out the window. Because I'm serious about my business.

Once the paperwork is signed, then we can go do some shots of patron, and talk about the fat chicks at the bar. But until then, you'll be lucky to get a smile.


Intimidation? Could serve me well.

 

[Xabiton]

Real producers never stop producing even if they dont release albums. Hell anyone who has anything that is really a part of them never stops doing it. Michael still shoots js at the gym. Rakim will always have a hot 16 if u ask him for one. ect ect. If this is something that you do that you are passionate about which I think you are you won't give up. you are just frusterated we all get there.

 

[Lysol]

from the outside lookin in.


I think your dreams are based on being a superstar. That would suck for me as motivation. I have no music dreams..... I make music as my interpretation on the music I like.

Money's a different subject...

 

[chuka]

dam bro...good luck!!

 

[j.troup]

from the outside lookin in.


I think your dreams are based on being a superstar. That would suck for me as motivation. I have no music dreams..... I make music as my interpretation on the music I like.

Money's a different subject...

Trust me...a superstar is the LAST thing I want to be.



I said brand recognition. Not face recognition.



I'd actually prefer it if people didn't know my face. I like to go to the movie theater too much.

 

[typ747]

Dope

Innovation? Trying to be something more than a "deal" victim? I'm down. What you need artists? Producers? Song writers? marketers? I'm all of it. I'm down with riding the wave of a last stand of a dream backed by years of experience and thought. I'm playin... sort of.

 

[iambase]

You know, I think that's probably the most insightful things that has been said in this thread.





I haven't quite gotten the success that I'm looking for. I measure that success in influence, I measure it in independence from other entities, I measure it in deals and partnerships...And of course I measure it in revenue.



I haven't reached the level of influence that I want. Yes, I understand it's a work in progress. But up until now, that level of influence has been dependent on other entities (going into #2)...Artists...A&R's....Label Execs...Other Companies...Magazine Execs. Right now, while I'm dependent on THEIR SYSTEM, I can only do what they allow me to do, when they allow me to do it.


And of course, there's completed business dealings. There needs to be more business deals going on. More strategic partnerships. More of the things that make business happen, and continue to happen.

Revenue...of course that's a measure of any businesses success. All of the residual revenue I have coming in is based on other people's ventures....not my own. If I piss off the wrong person at Viacom, my tracks get pulled, and there go my checks. If I piss off the Chris over at the Ad agency, no more of my tracks get submitted for advertising campaigns. And if I get on the wrong side of a label person, my tracks stop going to their artists.

At any given moment, someone could STOP my money, and I'm completely screwed.


THAT'S A PROBLEM FOR ME. That means that OTHER people are controlling my success, and not me.



The success that I'm looking for allows me to be independent of other business entities. Allows me to make the moves that I need to make, when I need to make them. Establishes for me a reputable and recognized brand, who's reach and influence grows.




That's my success. I've achieved those things on some level, but not the level that I would deem success.

Get in the system to get out of the system... You will need to be succexsful and know what you want...
You can't go indie from the begining without hardwork and mad connects imo... maybe I'm mistaken but still...
There is no real indie, even among artists who said they were indie in the past, most of them had strong ties with the majors...

Anyway I wish you good luck... I've seen people wanting to do what you are trying to do, I hope you will succeed...but you have to be dependent to get indepedent... attached to be detached...

 

[TrackHead]

Those chubby dudes at the gym I go to show up to hoop every other day... they know they won't make it to the NBA though.... it's just something like to do... they don't ask for anything back except enjoyment.

lmao yo thats me..the chubby dude making back to back 3's and everybody on some

" whattttt look at this fool, he on my team next!"...

.i feel all good ..thinkin im hard as **** on bball but in reality im not..lmao

 

[K-1ne]

SHA POW!

Good luck with everything.
God bless and...

SHA POW!

 

[Justbleazy]

lol. Man I really hope that that wasn't directed at me. I really do. Because if it was, you clearly know NOTHING about me, the time and work that I've put into this thing, the MULTIPLE "almost there's", the successes, the failures, the ups, the downs, the plane rides, the mid-town studio sessions, the monies owed, the meetings, the plane rides, the meetings, the contracts signed...


Man, I could go on and on and on.



But please...don't even insinuate that this is my FIRST venture, and please don't talk to me like I been in this for 6 months.



That would just be an insult of the highest caliber.

Lol. You're right. I don't know anybody here on this site and thats fine but hey if you want to quit thats on you. I've had my tracks played infront of Diddy's A&R's, they liked my stuff but decided to pass while everyone else was hypin me and the situation up and that was just one of many failures.

I never "assume" anything, I only talk from experience. I don't "speculate" like most people do.

So what if you've made it to Game 7 in the NBA Finals and you lose by 1 point. Does that mean that you retire? Hell naw, the Lakers were put out last year and look at them now, winning 2-0 in the Championship Finals and I'm using YOUR analogy.

but hey....if you want to quit thats you, I'm just trying to offer my advice to any who may feel that they want to give up. I've been asked to send demo's to numerous labels and dudes would be loving my music but they wouldn't follow through on them. Oh well, keep had to keep movin.

 

[Equador]

IF you do quit, there is no need for you to stop making music.

From some perspective you already quit because your dreams are no longer based on your music but on a service which has little to do with your music. If you succeed with IndustrySound.com(which i hope you do) you will not succeed as a musician/producer but simply as a smart business man.

So it seems you already quit music

 

[j.troup]

One day, people will realize that this is a BUSINESS.


Beats are beats...they are a dime a dozen. Everybody makes beats.


Beats don't sell themseves. Songs don't sell themselves. The business behind the music is what sells them.


If your dreams are just based on BEATS without a solid business stragey to monetize that work, then your dreams will never yeild any long lasting reward.


I'm sorry, but I'm grown. And I ain't trying to be working these 2 jobs (day job and music) 18 hours a day for nothing.

If I'm going to live off of music, then there has to be a good business plan behind it.


So no, I didn't quit music...I still love music with all my heart...but the BUSINESS of music is what will take me out of this day job.



I have a different perspsective than alot of you, who are still making beats in your bedrooms at your parents house. That's not a diss, that's just reality.


The real world is quite different.

 

[ptonemusic]

One day, people will realize that this is a BUSINESS.

Beats are beats...they are a dime a dozen. Everybody makes beats.

Beats don't sell themseves. Songs don't sell themselves. The business behind the music is what sells them.

If your dreams are just based on BEATS without a solid business stragey to monetize that work, then your dreams will never yeild any long lasting reward.

I'm sorry, but I'm grown. And I ain't trying to be working these 2 jobs (day job and music) 18 hours a day for nothing.

If I'm going to live off of music, then there has to be a good business plan behind it.

So no, I didn't quit music...I still love music with all my heart...but the BUSINESS of music is what will take me out of this day job.

I have a different perspsective than alot of you, who are still making beats in your bedrooms at your parents house. That's not a diss, that's just reality.


The real world is quite different.

Why are you so defensive all the time?


I'm sorry but you don't come across well in your responses. You are completely unable to take any kind of advice or criticism. No one can tell you anything cos you always know better.

Maybe if you listened to other people once in a while instead of going on as if you've already made it you might actually have a placement or two by now.

You've got delusions of grandeur. If you were as hot as you obviously think you are then with your connections you'd have a string of hits by now.


No one in there right mind believes you turned down any meaningful placements. Stop blaming the machine cos you didn't blow up. It's not a big deal. Your music just wasn't what people wanted.

All these excuses, and REASONS in capital letters just sound like delusional ranting.

The industry is still feeding ALOT of people including me.

 

[TheoClayton]

"Making It" has differen't meanings for everybody. Some people view it as being filthy rich and getting paid a million a beat, others view making it as having a few noticeable artists on their tracks and making a normal living off their music. There are a lot of people that "made it", maybe not in your terms, but everybody thinks differently.